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27 minutes ago, Kenny B said:

I disagree.  While some people seem to be born with better feel and can control the putter head better than the average player, I believe that anyone can learn to be a good putter.  While not true with ball striking, putting is something that most anyone can do as well as pros...with lots of practice!!

Can't believe anyone would disagree with Plaid. But don't worry.... you won't be banned. And my "feelings" weren't hurt either. I'm old school. But be careful around the snowflakes Kenny. They'll come after you. LOL

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1 hour ago, Glftips said:

I have a tendency to have the face pointing left of my target. It looks square to me. When someone moves my putter so it is square to the line, it looks like the face is very open.  Appreciate any feedback on this.

 

... Believe it or not, the #1 fault I saw as an instructor was improper alignment. And that included full swings as well as putting. Other than aligning left because they were slicing (an open stance of course produces a slice) most aligned their body or stance to the target instead of like a railroad track where the ball is on one track and their body on the other aiming left of the target while the club head and ball are on the target line. This aligning to the right caused most to come over the top or have a closed face. Using alignment sticks or laying down club shafts can help train your eyes to see correct alignment. The best thing you can do is pick out a spot just in front of your putter along your intended line and align your putter face to that spot. For many, alignment is a learned skill and takes time and practice. 

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18 minutes ago, PlaidJacket said:

Can't believe anyone would disagree with Plaid. But don't worry.... you won't be banned. And my "feelings" weren't hurt either. I'm old school. But be careful around the snowflakes Kenny. They'll come after you. LOL

 

... I am kinda in the middle of you two. Seeing the line is an instinct some have and some don't. Proper speed is another skill some are just born with. So if you do either of these poorly, you can improve and get "better" as a putter but not sure you will ever be a "good" putter. Now learning to quiet your body, not flip thru impact and other faults can be corrected with patience and practice, lots of practice and this can definitely help improve your putting. With my 5 lesson package, I gave a 6th short game lesson for free and one thing became pretty obvious for most of my students, they were either naturally good at reading putts and producing proper speed or they were not. And while I helped improve many of my students putting, I really never had a student start seeing the line perfectly and develop a great feel for lag putting that did not have those traits naturally. 

...Kenny, I would add I have played with some amazing ball strikers that just didn't putt well enough to make it on tour. Guy I played with    that won twice on the Fla Mini Tour said putting is what separates the PGA from everyone else an that included some amazing players he had seen the were good putters, just not really good putters.  

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On 10/24/2019 at 10:09 AM, GolfSpy MPR said:

Anyone else done something similar, where you've changed your ball position for the purpose of altering your start line consistency?

With my new birdieball indoor putting green I decided to move the ball level with my left foot, and my alignment seems to have improved dramatically.  It feels wierd to have the ball so far to the left right now, but it seems to be working, so we'll keep trying it as long as the results are positive.

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19 hours ago, Glftips said:

I have a tendency to have the face pointing left of my target. It looks square to me. When someone moves my putter so it is square to the line, it looks like the face is very open.  Appreciate any feedback on this.

In your case I would say it would be in how your eyes perceive the position of the face. IMHO a lot of times in golf our eyes tell our hands and body what to do without the brain involved. On my natural swing set up especially the irons I have the face open about 2* or so. For me it is natural and ingrained to prevent a hook. On putting I was an arc stroke putter for years and so the face was open at address. Now my hands and eyes do not work like they used to and I tend to keep the face fanned open or somehow naturally jerk shot it and pull putts and decelerate too. Recently I have been experimenting going back to being more wristy and using a Bulls Eye putter trying to get my feel back. In all of this I had also been experimenting left hand low. It felt weird at first but it has came to fruition lately for me. In your case if you feel that you have the face squared to your line aim a little right of the break or hole. It may take some practice to get used to but I feel in your case it may help. With me going left hand low it has stabilized the face square throughout the stroke. I had to prove the last to myself by using two driveway stakes anchored straight with tees. Yep I am straight throughout the stroke now.  Everyone sees and their body and eyes work differently. And I had a hard time believing and accepting it but your perception and reactions change with age

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18 hours ago, PlaidJacket said:

Can't believe anyone would disagree with Plaid. But don't worry.... you won't be banned. And my "feelings" weren't hurt either. I'm old school. But be careful around the snowflakes Kenny. They'll come after you. LOL

Yep no harm no foul but remember Plaid Kenny is an old schooler like you and I too!!!!

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17 hours ago, chisag said:

 

... I am kinda in the middle of you two. Seeing the line is an instinct some have and some don't. Proper speed is another skill some are just born with. So if you do either of these poorly, you can improve and get "better" as a putter but not sure you will ever be a "good" putter. Now learning to quiet your body, not flip thru impact and other faults can be corrected with patience and practice, lots of practice and this can definitely help improve your putting. With my 5 lesson package, I gave a 6th short game lesson for free and one thing became pretty obvious for most of my students, they were either naturally good at reading putts and producing proper speed or they were not. And while I helped improve many of my students putting, I really never had a student start seeing the line perfectly and develop a great feel for lag putting that did not have those traits naturally. 

...Kenny, I would add I have played with some amazing ball strikers that just didn't putt well enough to make it on tour. Guy I played with    that won twice on the Fla Mini Tour said putting is what separates the PGA from everyone else an that included some amazing players he had seen the were good putters, just not really good putters.  

That last paragraph says a whole lot!! Yeah putting kept me competitive over the years because I never was a great ball striker. I was more a scrambling type and had a reputation of being able to get up and down out of a trash can. My old man who was all about greens and fairways once remarked if I did not have the talent to get out of trouble with a 5 iron or wedges and putter I could not break 100 much less play competitive golf on a professional level. 

Now I have gotten older and my swing is shorter and slower I hit more fairways and greens than I ever did. But with age my putting has gone to crap. trust me it has drove me crazy the last 2 years. Trust me it can be a kick in the nads to shoot like 75 76 from the senior tees with say 4 missed birdie putts from 10 feet in and a couple of 3 putts. Especially when I WAS a stellar putter. I remember my first series of tournaments on the Florida Minis. A veteran got on me about stepping on his "through line". I got him to explain after the round. I was astonished at the fact he was talking about missing a 3 or 4 footer. I actually made him mad by asking him "who in the hell would even think about missing a 3 or 4 footer". Of course back then it was 22 year old nerves talking. He told someone who knew me that I was arrogant. That guy told him I was that good of a putter and if I ever got that fast swing and the driver under control watch out. Never did the last part until maybe 3 years ago guess that is why I drive a truck for a living and live in a mobile home.  

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