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Recently purchased some 5A Titleist balls on Ebay.

Ordered 48 yellow AVX, every ball looked like they were fresh from package, no player marks, not even the slightest nick or scuff. Every Ball had the same number. When i questioned the vendor he said if I was nervous I could return the balls. Wwhich I did .

Bought some of the new Yellow Prov 1X from another vendor. Again every ball looked just like brand new, No player marks or any evidence that had ever  been hit.

Cut one open and tweeted image it to #finditcutit and also to @titleist.

Both vendors claim THEY do not repaint or rebrand either of these orders. It is my suspicion that they are buying new yellow unbranded balls and having the Titleist logo and info applied. Both vendors have over 1000 positive feedback.

I have emailed Titleist with the vendor info for them to investigate.

Bud

 

 

 

 

 

 

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eBay is probably the last place I'd by golf balls 


In my :mizuno-small: BR-D4 Stand Bag

:ping-small: G410 Plus Ping 9* VA Nemesys 65FIVE
:ping-small: G410 LST 14.5* VA Vylyn 75FIVE
:titelist-small: 818 H2 20* Tour AD DI 85X
:mizuno-small: MP20 HMB 4 Tour AD 95X
:mizuno-small: JPX 919 Tour 5-PW Oban CT 115 X(-)
:titelist-small: Vokey SM7 49 F - 54 S - 59 D
:mizuno-small: M Craft II
:bridgestone-small: Tour B X
 
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just curious who were the ebay sellers


Left Hand orientation

:ping-small: G410 SFT driver 

:cobra-small: F Max 5 wood

:ping-small:  9 wood
:ping-small:  410  Hybrids 22*, 26*
:wilson-small: C300 4i-GP
:cleveland-small:  Wedges RTX 3.0: 52*, 56*
:ping-small: EYE 2 Wedge 60*

:odyssey-small: O Works putter
:918457628_PrecisionPro:NX9-HD

:CaddyTek: - 4 Wheel 
:footjoy-small: - too many shoes to list and so many to buy

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1 hour ago, jlukes said:

eBay is probably the last place I'd by golf balls 

Right? Especially if buying something like refurbished/found balls. 

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Driver: Titleist 917D3 9.5 with Graphite Design MAD Pro 65g S

Wood: Titleist 917F2 with UST Mamiya Helium 5F4

Hybrid: Titleist 816H1 21 with Atmos Blue 85 S

Irons: Titleist 718 AP3 4i, 718 CB 5-6, MB 7-9 with KBS $ Taper 125

Wedges: Vokey SM7 46/50/54/60 with DG s200

Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1

Ball: Titleist Prov1

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11 hours ago, tony@CIC said:

just curious who were the ebay sellers

Have given Titleist the names and will post them after they have a chance to look into this

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4 minutes ago, bzielinski said:

Have given Titleist the names and will post them after they have a chance to look into this

Why not post save others from potentially making same mistake 

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Driver: Titleist 917D3 9.5 with Graphite Design MAD Pro 65g S

Wood: Titleist 917F2 with UST Mamiya Helium 5F4

Hybrid: Titleist 816H1 21 with Atmos Blue 85 S

Irons: Titleist 718 AP3 4i, 718 CB 5-6, MB 7-9 with KBS $ Taper 125

Wedges: Vokey SM7 46/50/54/60 with DG s200

Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1

Ball: Titleist Prov1

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23 hours ago, bzielinski said:

OK the vendors were "clearchoice"  and "lostgolfballsretail"

Interesting - I  order 5A Titleist balls direct  from Lostgolfballs.com. Not sure if this is the same as Lostgolfballsretail on ebay. Your post and their having the same number on them intrigued me so I went ahead and cut one of the ProV1X's that I just ordered from them. You can see in the pic that it conforms to the quality of what I'd expect a ProV1X to look like.  Note I order the 2019 version @$27/doz which is more expensive than the ones on ebay that I looked at. 

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Left Hand orientation

:ping-small: G410 SFT driver 

:cobra-small: F Max 5 wood

:ping-small:  9 wood
:ping-small:  410  Hybrids 22*, 26*
:wilson-small: C300 4i-GP
:cleveland-small:  Wedges RTX 3.0: 52*, 56*
:ping-small: EYE 2 Wedge 60*

:odyssey-small: O Works putter
:918457628_PrecisionPro:NX9-HD

:CaddyTek: - 4 Wheel 
:footjoy-small: - too many shoes to list and so many to buy

:1590477705_SunMountain:

:SuperSpeed: Official Tester 2020   Beginning Driver Speed  - 78

 

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looks like it's the same company. Did any of the balls you rec'd looked they had ever been hit or have any player marks ?

note the reply from the vendor in one place it says lostgolfballsretail and at the end lostgolfballs

New message from: lostgolfballsretail Top Rated Seller(89,825PurpleShooting Star)

Bud,
Thank you for reaching out to me about this. You are correct, by law Refinished/Refurbished golf ball must have that written on the golf ball. I can confirm that these golf balls have not been refinished, as we do not refinish AVX Yellow golf balls, and all of our refinished golf balls have Refinished written on them. Please let me know if you have any further questions. Thanks!

Thank You For Using LostGolfBalls!

 
 

and in the return authorization

 

Mr. Zxxx

The attachment to this email is a prepaid return shipping label. If you could please print it out, attach it to the box and drop it off at your nearest FedEx facility, that will complete the return process. Please let me know if you have any questions or need anything further. Thanks!

 

Best Regards,

Matthew Campbell
E-Commerce Customer Relations Supervisor
866.639.4819 Ext.276
MatthewC@LostGolfBalls.com



12505 Reed Rd Ste150~Sugar Land TX, 77478

 

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No marks on them - they were in pristine condition. Note I have bought refinished balls in the past from another source and after 18 holes they were pretty beat up. The ones i bought (2019 Pro V1x's) had no marks even after playing multiple rounds. You can also  see from my pic that they were of better quality than the pic you had in your original post. 

I think their response about returns speaks volumes as to their credibility. 


Left Hand orientation

:ping-small: G410 SFT driver 

:cobra-small: F Max 5 wood

:ping-small:  9 wood
:ping-small:  410  Hybrids 22*, 26*
:wilson-small: C300 4i-GP
:cleveland-small:  Wedges RTX 3.0: 52*, 56*
:ping-small: EYE 2 Wedge 60*

:odyssey-small: O Works putter
:918457628_PrecisionPro:NX9-HD

:CaddyTek: - 4 Wheel 
:footjoy-small: - too many shoes to list and so many to buy

:1590477705_SunMountain:

:SuperSpeed: Official Tester 2020   Beginning Driver Speed  - 78

 

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On 11/4/2019 at 8:55 AM, tony@CIC said:

No marks on them - they were in pristine condition. Note I have bought refinished balls in the past from another source and after 18 holes they were pretty beat up. The ones i bought (2019 Pro V1x's) had no marks even after playing multiple rounds. You can also  see from my pic that they were of better quality than the pic you had in your original post. 

I think their response about returns speaks volumes as to their credibility. 

like you the 48 balls I rec'd were pristine, just like they just fell out of the sleeve.

So how many people do you think it would take to find 48 totally unmarked YELLOW Prov V1x (remember they just started making the yellow ones this this year).

Isn't it more plausible that these are brand new balls from some manufacturer that are branded as Pro V1x ???

The return policy works in their favor to hold complaints. Everyones happy, the customer gets their money back and they get the balls back to sell to some other unsuspecting golfer.

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Thought provoking question especially since there are a number of resellers of used golf balls. I would think the more reputable places probably get many of their balls from the Tour. I know when I was at an LPGA event and watched the ladies play they had stacks and stacks of golf balls. Are those sold later sold to those retailers? Plus think about all the golfers and the number of balls they buy that are then lost. For instance just last week I found 3 brand spanking new AVX balls - 2 white and 1 yellow. If I was patient, I could probably fish through our ponds every week and find an entire summer supply of golf balls. 

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Left Hand orientation

:ping-small: G410 SFT driver 

:cobra-small: F Max 5 wood

:ping-small:  9 wood
:ping-small:  410  Hybrids 22*, 26*
:wilson-small: C300 4i-GP
:cleveland-small:  Wedges RTX 3.0: 52*, 56*
:ping-small: EYE 2 Wedge 60*

:odyssey-small: O Works putter
:918457628_PrecisionPro:NX9-HD

:CaddyTek: - 4 Wheel 
:footjoy-small: - too many shoes to list and so many to buy

:1590477705_SunMountain:

:SuperSpeed: Official Tester 2020   Beginning Driver Speed  - 78

 

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1 hour ago, tony@CIC said:

Thought provoking question especially since there are a number of resellers of used golf balls. I would think the more reputable places probably get many of their balls from the Tour. I know when I was at an LPGA event and watched the ladies play they had stacks and stacks of golf balls. Are those sold later sold to those retailers? Plus think about all the golfers and the number of balls they buy that are then lost. For instance just last week I found 3 brand spanking new AVX balls - 2 white and 1 yellow. If I was patient, I could probably fish through our ponds every week and find an entire summer supply of golf balls. 

Doubt they come from the tour.  When I volunteered at a Symetra event they took the balls from event to event.   LPGA and PGA probably donate to youth golf.   The resellers probably get the balls from the companies that are contracted to clean out the lakes or they have their own staff that dives the ponds.  

https://www.golf.com/tour-and-news/divers-make-living-diving-used-golf-balls-golf-courses

 

 

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Fairway: :titelist-small: TS3 15* set  w/Project X Hzardous Smoke
Hybrids:  :titelist-small: 816H1 19* set at 18* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype
                :titelist-small: 915H  21*  w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype
               :titelist-small: 915H 24*  w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype
Irons:      :srixon-small: 765 6-AW with KBS Tour shafts
Wedge:  :cleveland-small: 588 54-14, 58-12
Putter:  :odyssey-small: Ten S      Backups:  :bobby-grace-1: 6330,   :EVNROLL: ER2.2,  

 

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Doubt they come from the tour.  When I volunteered at a Symetra event they took the balls from event to event.   LPGA and PGA probably donate to youth golf.   The resellers probably get the balls from the companies that are contracted to clean out the lakes or he they have their own staff that dives the ponds.  
https://www.golf.com/tour-and-news/divers-make-living-diving-used-golf-balls-golf-courses
 
 

I read about the guy that does this - diving and pulling thousands of balls out in a days time.


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Left Hand orientation

:ping-small: G410 SFT driver 

:cobra-small: F Max 5 wood

:ping-small:  9 wood
:ping-small:  410  Hybrids 22*, 26*
:wilson-small: C300 4i-GP
:cleveland-small:  Wedges RTX 3.0: 52*, 56*
:ping-small: EYE 2 Wedge 60*

:odyssey-small: O Works putter
:918457628_PrecisionPro:NX9-HD

:CaddyTek: - 4 Wheel 
:footjoy-small: - too many shoes to list and so many to buy

:1590477705_SunMountain:

:SuperSpeed: Official Tester 2020   Beginning Driver Speed  - 78

 

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12 hours ago, tony@CIC said:


I read about the guy that does this - diving and pulling thousands of balls out in a days time.


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Read a few stories about the guys that make pretty good money diving for balls.  They are probably the exception in the business and there are lots of hazards depending on where you are doing the diving....gators, snakes, snapping turtles, etc. 

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Driver:  :ping-small: G400 Max 9* with UST Proforce V2
Fairway: :titelist-small: TS3 15* set  w/Project X Hzardous Smoke
Hybrids:  :titelist-small: 816H1 19* set at 18* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype
                :titelist-small: 915H  21*  w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype
               :titelist-small: 915H 24*  w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype
Irons:      :srixon-small: 765 6-AW with KBS Tour shafts
Wedge:  :cleveland-small: 588 54-14, 58-12
Putter:  :odyssey-small: Ten S      Backups:  :bobby-grace-1: 6330,   :EVNROLL: ER2.2,  

 

Member:  MGS Hitsquad since 2017697979773_DSCN2368(Custom).JPG.a1a25f5e430d9eebae93c5d652cbd4b9.JPG

 

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Allow me to play devil's advocate for a moment.  Wouldn't it be worth spending a little extra on new balls to avoid this sort of thing?  In my opinion it is.  That way you only need to worry about quality control at the factory.  I understand the desire to save money on golf balls by buying used/refurbished especially if you lose them really fast (we've all had THOSE rounds).  I've done bought refurbished ProV1s from Walmart a couple times.  I played a few rounds with them but just use them for short game practice now.  Stocking up during good sales like the buy 3 get one free sales that have become a mainstay still gets you a pretty good price all things considered.  Those are my thoughts.

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On 11/1/2019 at 9:35 AM, jlukes said:

eBay is probably the last place I'd by golf balls 

 

... I have bought golf balls on eBay but only new balls from reputable sources with plenty of feedback. That said, I would never buy used balls, especially on eBay. As always, if a deal seems too good to be true it almost assuredly is. 

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Driver:   Cobra Speedzone Xtreme 9* ... Tensei Pro Orange 60r
Fw wood: Cobra Speedzone 14.5* ... Atmos TS Blue 75s
Utility:   TaylorMade RBZ Tour Hy ... Matrix Altus 85 hy
Irons:    4-Gw Titleist T100-S ... Kuro Kage 105 Tini s-flex
              4-pw TaylorMade P760 ... Recoil Prototype 95 r-flex
Wedges:  SM6 52* F Grind /SM7D & SM8M 58* ... Recoil 110s
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