Another rules violation

[cnosil 14,715]

I thought this was a pretty well known rule. While we admire a pros playing ability, they sometime fall short with the knowledge of the rules.

 

https://golfweek.com/2019/11/03/golf-two-players-penalized-lpga-q-series-violating-advice-rule/

[THEZIPR23 5,152]

This blew my mind when I saw it. I thought that was a basic understanding. 

[Wedgie 4,971]

 I had no idea this was a rule.  So if I'm playing with my buddies and they ask what I hit they get a 2 stroke penalty or both of us if i tell them.

[THEZIPR23 5,152]

3 minutes ago, Wedgie said:

 I had no idea this was a rule.  So if I'm playing with my buddies and they ask what I hit they get a 2 stroke penalty or both of us if i tell them.

a. Advice

During a round, a player must not:

• Give advice to anyone in the competition who is playing on the course,

• Ask anyone for advice, other than the player’s caddie, or

• Touch another player’s equipment to learn information that would be advice if given by or asked of the other player (such as touching the other player’s clubs or bag to see what club is being used).

[Wedgie 4,971]

Just now, THEZIPR23 said:

a. Advice

During a round, a player must not:

• Give advice to anyone in the competition who is playing on the course,

• Ask anyone for advice, other than the player’s caddie, or

• Touch another player’s equipment to learn information that would be advice if given by or asked of the other player (such as touching the other player’s clubs or bag to see what club is being used).

So if I laser the pin on a par 3 and someone asks what I get that is a 2 stroke penalty.  If I answer I get 2 strokes as well.  Good to know if I want to be that guy in my Sunday group.  Here's a question:  if I laser the pin and say it is 156 yards to the group who are sitting in their carts 40 feet away can I get a 2 stroke penalty even if they don't ask for it?

[THEZIPR23 5,152]

1 minute ago, Wedgie said:

So if I laser the pin on a par 3 and someone asks what I get that is a 2 stroke penalty.  If I answer I get 2 strokes as well.  Good to know if I want to be that guy in my Sunday group.  Here's a question:  if I laser the pin and say it is 156 yards to the group who are sitting in their carts 40 feet away can I get a 2 stroke penalty?

Yardage and penalty areas are considered general knowledge so it is permissible to give and ask for this. 

[DaveP043 4,011]

1 hour ago, Wedgie said:

 I had no idea this was a rule.  So if I'm playing with my buddies and they ask what I hit they get a 2 stroke penalty or both of us if i tell them.

That's correct, on both questions.  And as someone else answered, yardage isn't advice, its common knowledge.  Now if you were to tell them what the wind was doing, or that it plays longer because its uphill, that becomes advice.

[fixyurdivot 8,601]

18 hours ago, THEZIPR23 said:

a. Advice

During a round, a player must not:

• Give advice to anyone in the competition who is playing on the course,

• Ask anyone for advice, other than the player’s caddie, or

• Touch another player’s equipment to learn information that would be advice if given by or asked of the other player (such as touching the other player’s clubs or bag to see what club is being used).

I too had no idea this is a rule - don't even want to start counting the strokes over my lifetime .  This... but it's OK to quick step behind your competitions putt to glean some info.  Another one for the "golfs humorous rules" thread.  

 

[tony@CIC 16,841]

4 minutes ago, fixyurdivot said:

I too had no idea this is a rule - don't even want to start counting the strokes over my lifetime .  This... but it's OK to quick step behind your competitions putt to glean some info.  Another one for the "golfs humorous rules" thread.  

 

I always thought that stepping behind someone putting was more of a golf etiquette thing rather than a rules infringement. Am I wrong on that? 

[fixyurdivot 8,601]

10 minutes ago, tony@CIC said:

I always thought that stepping behind someone putting was more of a golf etiquette thing rather than a rules infringement. Am I wrong on that? 

Well, standing or worse moving behind someone putting is in bad form.  What I'm referring to is players quickly walking up after the putt is made and still rolling in order to see roll-out.  Certainly getting "advice" albeit non verbal. 

[RickyBobby_PR 4,903]

7 minutes ago, fixyurdivot said:

Well, standing or worse moving behind someone putting is in bad form.  What I'm referring to is players quickly walking up after the putt is made and still rolling in order to see roll-out.  Certainly getting "advice" albeit non verbal. 

That’s not getting advice. That’s no different than watching a ball in the air. Advice would be asking if they pushed/pulled the putt or if they hit it the right speed/line

[fixyurdivot 8,601]

2 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

That’s not getting advice. That’s no different than watching a ball in the air. Advice would be asking if they pushed/pulled the putt or if they hit it the right speed/line

Splitting hairs IMHO, but yea, technically I get where you're coming from.

[DaveP043 4,011]

40 minutes ago, tony@CIC said:

I always thought that stepping behind someone putting was more of a golf etiquette thing rather than a rules infringement. Am I wrong on that? 

I agree its a etiquette thing, although walking in after the putt is struck doesn't strike me as a real issue.  But to have your caddie or partner stand there while you set up or play the putt is against the rule, as a form of advice that's not permitted.

[cnosil 14,715]

a. Advice

During a round, a player must not:

• Give advice to anyone in the competition who is playing on the course,

• Ask anyone for advice, other than the player’s caddie, or

• Touch another player’s equipment to learn information that would be advice if given by or asked of the other player (such as touching the other player’s clubs or bag to see what club is being used).

All kinds of subtle things with these rules. While you can’t touch the players bag or clubs, you are free to look into the bag to see what clubs arent there.

[DaveP043 4,011]

Just now, cnosil said:

All kinds of subtle things with these rules. While you can’t touch the players bag or clubs, you are free to look into the bag to see what clubs arent there.

 

That was the (semi)excuse that Dey gave in her tweet.  "I could have walked over and looked at her bag....".  Next time, take the three steps and look, don't ask.

[revkev 22,175]

That was the (semi)excuse that Dey gave in her tweet.  "I could have walked over and looked at her bag....".  Next time, take the three steps and look, don't ask.

Exactly

And the saddest thing about all of this IMO is the grief that Kim is taking over it. As if she had a choice once she saw a rules violation.


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[RickyBobby_PR 4,903]

1 hour ago, revkev said:

 

Exactly

And the saddest thing about all of this IMO is the grief that Kim is taking over it. As if she had a choice once she saw a rules violation.


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I think she brought that on by how she handled the situation with her tweet. I don’t agree with the grief she is getting but there may have been a better way to handle it all

[DaveP043 4,011]

53 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

I think she brought that on by how she handled the situation with her tweet. I don’t agree with the grief she is getting but there may have been a better way to handle it all

I don't think the tweet was really a poor choice either.  Two young women didn't make the cut, really won't be able to make a living playing professional golf.  I know, they could play the Symetra, but that doesn't pay enough to really make a living. Dye was close, needing an ace on the final hole to make the cut even after the penalty.  Without the two strokes, she needed only a par, so those two strokes may mean the difference between making a living at golf, or working at McDonalds for her.  For Kim to urge players to learn the rules is really good advice.  If Dye had known the rules, she actually might be on the big circuit next year.

Would it have been better to remain completely silent about it?  Its basically a qualifier, its quite possible nobody would ever have heard about it, which means nobody would ever learn anything from it.  I think the response from Dye was the one out of line, calling Kim unprofessional for tweeting what is really very solid advice.

 

[RickyBobby_PR 4,903]

59 minutes ago, DaveP043 said:

I don't think the tweet was really a poor choice either.  Two young women didn't make the cut, really won't be able to make a living playing professional golf.  I know, they could play the Symetra, but that doesn't pay enough to really make a living. Dye was close, needing an ace on the final hole to make the cut even after the penalty.  Without the two strokes, she needed only a par, so those two strokes may mean the difference between making a living at golf, or working at McDonalds for her.  For Kim to urge players to learn the rules is really good advice.  If Dye had known the rules, she actually might be on the big circuit next year.

Would it have been better to remain completely silent about it?  Its basically a qualifier, its quite possible nobody would ever have heard about it, which means nobody would ever learn anything from it.  I think the response from Dye was the one out of line, calling Kim unprofessional for tweeting what is really very solid advice.

 

She didn’t have to tweet out that she called a penalty on two competitors. She did her job informed everyone and rules committee. Done at that point. She stoked the fire tweeting about it. I like Christina and have no problems with her calling the penalty and it sux for the two ladies who missed out on getting a card but as Kim states in the tweet you gotta know the rules so ignorance isn’t bliss and it’s unfortunate they suffered a monetary setback. 
 

while the Symmetra tour isn’t financially a great place for aspiring golfers the two aren’t being forced to play, that’s a choice they make in chasing the dream. 

[DaveP043 4,011]

14 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

She didn’t have to tweet out that she called a penalty on two competitors. She did her job informed everyone and rules committee. Done at that point. She stoked the fire tweeting about it. I like Christina and have no problems with her calling the penalty and it sux for the two ladies who missed out on getting a card but as Kim states in the tweet you gotta know the rules so ignorance isn’t bliss and it’s unfortunate they suffered a monetary setback. 

She didn't tweet anything about any individual.  

That's it, please read and know the rules.  I'm just now paging through the follow-up tweets, and she really avoids talking about any individual player or specific issue.