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  1. 1. Which is closest to you take on the allegations about the Astros? (you can choose more than one)

    • Stealing signs is always against the spirit of the game.
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    • A runner on second stealing signs is part of baseball; using a camera is not.
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    • If you ain't cheatin', you ain't tryin'.
      6
    • I don't think they did what they're accused of doing.
      1
    • It looks like they are guilty.
      6


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Bingo - Winner, winner! We both had a bunch of stories about guys trying to break the rules. But in my golf stories, the offenders were present day “persona non grata” and in his baseball stories

Former baseball player here, ALL sign stealing is part of the game.  Without getting into specifics, there’s extreme levels teams go to to steal signs. The Astros use of technology is the next logical

Yeah but that’s different. The Patriots were stealing practice info. The practice field is supposed to be a safe space. This is in a live game where all bets are off. 

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I'm not much into MLB anymore, but all this talk about sign stealing got me thinking about this...

 

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I'm not much into MLB anymore, but all this talk about sign stealing got me thinking about this...
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Maybe true


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At 90+ mph, I'd say its dangerous no matter where you were trying to hit the batter.  Besides, how many batters do you think you'd have to plunk before the organization decides to stop using the video?  Remember, after you've loaded the bases, the next guy is going to know what your're planning to throw him.
I know, you can definitely change signs.  The Nationals say they had 5 sets of signs for each pitcher, complex enough that the catchers had to wear "placards" on their arm to keep them all straight.  That seems excessively complicated, and can only serve to make an already slow game even slower. 


I understand this argument but now that I’ve seen the data let’s talk through it. A hard throwing pitcher throws around 95 to an on balance hitter 60 feet away who is expecting a ball thrown in his direction.

A team stealing signs has the potential to hit a ball with an exit velocity of 115 at an off balance pitcher 55 feet away who may or may not be ready for it.

If you suspect your signs are being stolen you should stick it in the guy’s ear to protect yourself and everyone else who comes after.

A couple of up and in fastballs when curve has been signaled and all of this ends. I’m stunned that no one figured that out.

I’m also stunned by the splits - I totally misjudged how big a difference knowing what pitch was coming might be at the major league level.

The draft picks are huge punishments


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And now Beltran is out. Not even sure this is the end of the fallout.


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Until MLB comes down hard on players, this will not curb future behavior!  As is the case with most professional sports these days, there's simply too much money involved for teams and players not to attempt to cheat.

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And now Beltran is out. Not even sure this is the end of the fallout.


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Don’t think it’s over yet.


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I understand this argument but now that I’ve seen the data let’s talk through it. A hard throwing pitcher throws around 95 to an on balance hitter 60 feet away who is expecting a ball thrown in his direction.

A team stealing signs has the potential to hit a ball with an exit velocity of 115 at an off balance pitcher 55 feet away who may or may not be ready for it.

If you suspect your signs are being stolen you should stick it in the guy’s ear to protect yourself and everyone else who comes after.

A couple of up and in fastballs when curve has been signaled and all of this ends. I’m stunned that no one figured that out.

I’m also stunned by the splits - I totally misjudged how big a difference knowing what pitch was coming might be at the major league level.

The draft picks are huge punishments


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Louis Tiant was here last night and he had no said he had no problem with “chin music”. When he pitched there was no designated batter.

$5 million fine I don’t think is a huge deterrent but yes the draft picks are big deal especially if the team has traded away the farm for established players.


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