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What would it take for MGS to develop or co-develop a data app?

I think what we the MGS member golfers need is an easy to use data app.  I love many of the Arccos caddie features but the data collection portion is a bit of a mess.  It would be great if in an app just like theirs you could just touch the club choice from the screen ie D 3w 5w 3h 4h 3i 4i say down the right side next to the picture of the hole.  Hit the shot and when you chose the next club it locks in the yardage to the pin/front/back, and records how far you hit the previous shot.  You could mimic the best putting apps for the greens.  It could have blow up greens near trouble and greens to best mark where the ball is on the beach or just beachfront property.  It can keep track of how far you are hitting all your clubs.  It could have choices on shots like 3\4 or 1\2 or choked down so you could keep that data too.  That way your 3\4 sand wedge is not included in sand wedge data but its own category.  

Just think about all the data you could collect on clubs?   You could require that the user enter in club specs and lots of personal info that factors in on play i.e. age, height, weight.  The club choice part of the shot would be streamlined to show just what's in your bag.

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What would it take for MGS to develop or co-develop a data app?
I think what we the MGS member golfers need is an easy to use data app.  I love many of the Arccos caddie features but the data collection portion is a bit of a mess.  It would be great if in an app just like theirs you could just touch the club choice from the screen ie D 3w 5w 3h 4h 3i 4i say down the right side next to the picture of the hole.  Hit the shot and when you chose the next club it locks in the yardage to the pin/front/back, and records how far you hit the previous shot.  You could mimic the best putting apps for the greens.  It could have blow up greens near trouble and greens to best mark where the ball is on the beach or just beachfront property.  It can keep track of how far you are hitting all your clubs.  It could have choices on shots like 3\4 or 1\2 or choked down so you could keep that data too.  That way your 3\4 sand wedge is not included in sand wedge data but its own category.  
Just think about all the data you could collect on clubs?   You could require that the user enter in club specs and lots of personal info that factors in on play i.e. age, height, weight.  The club choice part of the shot would be streamlined to show just what's in your bag.

Interesting idea. I'll go one step further: MGS develops an app that tags along with Arrcos where you list not only club but brand, loft, lie, length, shaft and your index. Can you imagine the data mining that could happen with that information.


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2 hours ago, mackdaddy9 said:

What would it take for MGS to develop or co-develop a data app?

1.  Desire to develop this type of application.  2.  Belief that you could build an app that provides capabilities not already provided in the market.   3.  Development team to build and maintain the application.  

Regarding the features that you identified,  there are apps that already do this type of tracking although not with the exact interface that you mention.  18Birdies is one that I can think of off the top of my head.    

For me,  the way you describe the app is a non starter.  I don't want  to have to select anything on a screen during a round.  I have tried it with a couple of apps and it distracts me from my round, is  annoying to pull my phone from my pocket for every shot, and takes away from the social aspect of the game since I am constantly looking at my phone.  

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It would most likely take way too much. 

Good apps are extremely expensive to design and it has to be something that will either provide value or measurable return for MGS. There are countless other apps out there that already do what you describe in some fashion. What's in it for MGS to build this app? The data they get couldn't really be used in any of their research or studies since it's not validated. 

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Maybe it would be something to partner with the people at Arccos on?  

I have kept the data using my rangefinder and a pencil for years.  I strongly believe that the key to my success as a golfer has been knowing the yardages of each club in my bag to a small margin for distance error.  I know my yardages with full swings, one wrap down on my Winn oversized Dri-Tac wrap grips and a full swing and a 3/4 swing with a standard grip.  That info has been the key to my scoring over the years.  It has never kept me from having fun while I play and is super easy to do.  

That said I thought it might be an app that would help feed the MGS people some great info on a mass level to follow trends, track club performance and .

I only bought the Arccos system because of the MGS buss around it.  It seemed like it would be easy to use but I really don't think it offers that for me.  It also seemed to be spoty in its effectiveness.  When I checked it against what I charted, it was not as accurate.  Really I asked this for the MGS crew not because I had a need.  Owning a rangefinder with slope or better still my Z 80 with the map and the range finder combined, a pencil and paper and just a little extra effort post round has given me all the info I really need.

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On 12/1/2019 at 3:01 PM, Mackdaddy9 said:

What would it take for MGS to develop or co-develop a data app?

I appreciate other peoples comments. But... why don't you develop this app Mackdaddy? You seem to have a strong opinion about it. It's certainly not something I'd be interested in sinking some dough into for many reasons among others - as there are already many that do this to one degree or another. If MGS would want to develop something like this more power to them. Why doesn't MSG start making shafts or shoes or push carts, etc, etc.  I'd imagine it's already tough enough competing for eyeballs and making money off a website and golf forum site.  That is unless you make a ton off advertising and sponsors. Personally I have no interest in any of these types of apps or devices. 

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It was just a thought and nothing I need, they quote data from Arccos quite often so it seemed to make sense.  It just seemed to follow the data is king theme of MGS.  I knew after a day that they had no interest because none of them replied.  

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On 12/1/2019 at 6:41 PM, cnosil said:

3.  Development team to build and maintain the application.

@cnosil - I know I'm not telling you anything you don't know, but folks should know that the initial cost of developing an application is generally only about 20% of the total cost of ownership of the app.  The mobile app economy may be a little bit different, but a great way to damage your brand is to release an app and not maintain it.  No big deal for some dude in his garage, but MGS is developing a brand with some equity, so they need to be really careful about what they put their name on.

On 12/1/2019 at 6:41 PM, cnosil said:

18Birdies is one that I can think of off the top of my head. 

GolfShot GPS is another app that works this way.  If you don't mind interacting with a device after every shot, it's actually very good.  Arccos is just much easier to deal with.

On 12/3/2019 at 9:10 PM, Mackdaddy9 said:

When I checked it against what I charted, it was not as accurate.

Arccos yardages are only as good as the GPS of phone powering the system.  And some phone GPS is awful.  Like the Moto G6 and G7 (both of which I've tried with Arccos).  What phone did you use?  And how far off is it from your pen-and-paper stats?  I don't know that any phone GPS is going to be as accurate as a laser. 

30 minutes ago, Mackdaddy9 said:

I knew after a day that they had no interest because none of them replied.  

I've emailed them a few times and not gotten replies.  I think they're pretty slammed.

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9 hours ago, Mackdaddy9 said:

It was just a thought and nothing I need, they quote data from Arccos quite often so it seemed to make sense.  It just seemed to follow the data is king theme of MGS.  I knew after a day that they had no interest because none of them replied.  

While they occasionally look at the forums,  it isn't something that the staff (outside of the moderators) actually monitors on a regular basis.  Their focus is on the main site and the planning and execution of the testing.  

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