TheBearddBastrd Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 A friend of mine recently went to get his irons fitted at our local Dick's Sporting Goods. He's 5' 5" and they didn't want to shorten the shafts but wanted to change the lie 3° (he didn't specify, but I'm assuming 3° flat). I know next to nothing about fitting, but I would think that if they would shorten the shaft some, they wouldn't have to make such an extreme lie angle adjustment. Am I wrong or is my local fitter incompetent? I bought a driver and hybrid from them and honestly the way I'm hitting them both, I feel I don't need adjustments but I would like a second opinion and would rather not waste my time getting that opinion from someone that probably knows about as much as I do. Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
null Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 Anyone fitting for length and/or lie by static measurement is not a quality fitter and someone I'd steer clear of. HardcoreLooper, RickyBobby_PR and dhartmann34 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 The general opinion is to not get fit at big box stores. That said they may employ a quality fitter. What training or experience does the fitter have? There are lots of factors involved in a fitting and without knowing more it is impossible for us to determine if the clubs should be shorter. bens197, Rickp and HardcoreLooper 3 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: TM-180 Testing: Backups: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edteergolf Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 Odds are not great that this person is a quality fitter but it is possible. Generally speaking, if someone can charge for it and make a living they probably know what they are doing but as always, results speak volumes. When it comes to length, it is more about arm length than it is height. I'm 5'10" and testing shows that a +1/2" club performs best. I've fit many players at 6'5" or taller and many have had tremendously long arms where no additional length was needed. Some have been +1 to 1-1/2" longer. It is best not to make generalities. edingc, HardcoreLooper, tony@CIC and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edingc Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 32 minutes ago, edteergolf said: Odds are not great that this person is a quality fitter but it is possible. Generally speaking, if someone can charge for it and make a living they probably know what they are doing but as always, results speak volumes. When it comes to length, it is more about arm length than it is height. I'm 5'10" and testing shows that a +1/2" club performs best. I've fit many players at 6'5" or taller and many have had tremendously long arms where no additional length was needed. Some have been +1 to 1-1/2" longer. It is best not to make generalities. Agreed. People tend to forget that wingspan/arm length increases as height increases. I'm 5'11". My new irons are "standard" (37" 7-iron), and they feel a lot better than my previous clubs that were a half inch longer across the set. My arms are slightly longer than average for my height (I wear a 35" sleeve in dress shirts, so not super long, but about an inch over what I would consider average), and the standard length is very comfortable for me. I do play my 52/56/60 wedges just slightly longer than some, and at identical length (35.5"), however. GolfSpy MPR 1 Quote Unofficial WHS Handicap: 7.5 / Anti-Cap: 13.0 (Last Updated Feb. 19, 2024) Driver: Callaway Paradym TD (10.5°, -1/N), 45.75", Fujikura Motore X F1 6X | Fitting Post 3 Wood: Cobra RadSpeed Big Tour (14.5°), 43", Fujikura Motore X F1 7X 20° Hybrid: PXG 0211 (2020 Model), 40.25", Mitsubishi Tensei AV RAW White 90X 4 Utility: Cobra KING Utility (2020 Model), 38.5", Aerotech SteelFiber i110cw Stiff 5-PW: Ben Hogan PTx Pro, 37" 7 Iron, Aerotech SteelFiber i125cw Stiff | Club Champion Fitting 50°, 54°, 58°: Edel SMS, V Grind, Nippon Modus 125 Wedge| Official Review Thread Putter: L.A.B. Golf DF 2.1, 36", 68°, Black with Custom Sightlines, BGT Stability Tour, L.A.B. Press II 3° | Unofficial Review Grips: Star Sidewinder, Undersized with Custom Tape Build-Up Ball: Snell MTB-X Optic Yellow Tracked By: Shot Scope H4 Bag: Personalized 2020 Sun Mountain Sync Riding On: Bag Boy Nitron | Official Review Thread WITB? | 2022 Reviewer Edel SMS Wedges | 2021 Reviewer Maxfli Tour and Tour X Balls | 2020 Participant #CobraConnect Challenge | 2019 Reviewer Callaway Epic Flash Driver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edteergolf Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 1 minute ago, edingc said: Agreed. People tend to forget that wingspan/arm length increases as height increases. I'm 5'11". My new irons are "standard" (37" 7-iron), and they feel a lot better than my previous clubs that were a half inch longer across the set. My arms are slightly longer than average for my height (I wear a 35" sleeve in dress shirts, so not super long, but about an inch over what I would consider average), and the standard length is very comfortable for me. I do play my 52/56/60 wedges just slightly longer than some, and at identical length (35.5"), however. The fit does not have to go throughout the bag. My irons are +1/2", hybrid standard, 3W -1/2" and driver is 44-1/2". It should be fairly specific and for a specific reason. tony@CIC, cnosil and edingc 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 I would trust anyone at dsg. Most of the people I’ve seen there know nothing more than some general info they could find in the internet. Golf Galaxy sometimes is only slightly better. null 1 Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardcoreLooper Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 On 12/3/2019 at 10:24 AM, cnosil said: The general opinion is to not get fit at big box stores. That said they may employ a quality fitter. What training or experience does the fitter have? There are lots of factors involved in a fitting and without knowing more it is impossible for us to determine if the clubs should be shorter. This. Fitting is one area where local knowledge is paramount. There are MGS forum members all over the US (and scattered around the world). Tell us where you are and we can recommend someone. Quote What's in the bag: Driver - F8 - Aldila NV Blue 60 ( S ) 3 Wood (13.5*) - 980F 4 Wood (18*) - F8 - Aldila NV Blue 60 ( S ) 3 Hybrid (19*) - RBZ 4i - PW - D7 Forged - Recoil 760 ( S ) 52* - CBX 58* - CBX Full Face 2 Putter - Craz-e Bag - 2.5 (Blue) Ball - AVX Instagram - @hardcorelooper Twitter - @meovino Facebook - mike.eovino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kor.A.Door Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 I think I recognize your user from the Beard Board. Are you on there as well? mad other said, DSG May or may not have a quality fitter. As hardcorelooper mentioned. Many folks here can point you in a direction to local a fitter close to you. Just let them know a city that you are near. Quote Lefties are always in their Right Mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tchat07 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Had a club reshafted at a DSG and the grip has spun completely backwards. During a recent fitting the guy tested it said the swing weight was c8 (very infrequently done according to the fitter). Also couldnt find the shaft stiffness because it would oscillate on the machine (another very infrequent occurence). Unless someone has firsthand knowledge of that fitter being good I would spend my money elsewhere. As for club length I'm 6'2 but because I have long arms I am a standard shaft length, so like everyone is saying it can vary.Sent from my SM-G950U using MyGolfSpy mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBearddBastrd Posted January 9, 2020 Author Share Posted January 9, 2020 This. Fitting is one area where local knowledge is paramount. There are MGS forum members all over the US (and scattered around the world). Tell us where you are and we can recommend someone. I live near Lewisburg, PA. About 50 miles north of Harrisburg. After some of these responses and the general stigma around big box store fittings, I'm more than likely gonna go to my local course and be fitted by the pro there, but I'd be more than open to any suggestions on any proven, reputable fitters around me.Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. 82 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 I went to Dick's and actually bought my 3 wood there, but the kid running the golf area was a local FSU student who just liked to play golf. Beyond him setting up the launch monitor for me I didn't ask him for any advice, help or otherwise. Once Dick's fired all of their on site PGA Tour pros due to budget issues, I'll just let you do your own due diligence in how to respond to that bit of information. I'm honestly surprised they still maintain a golf section in their store, because once you cut out the knowledge base of your operation you are no better than Walmart with a launch monitor IMHO. bens197 1 Quote G400 Driver XR 4 Fairway 16.5° Fli-Hi Utility Iron - 21° G Series 5-9 irons SM7 46°, 50°, 54° & 58° Ghost Spider S putter Nexus Laser Rangefinder Garmin Approach S20 GPS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WFWP91 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 https://www.sittlergolf.com/ This could be worth the drive: indoor and outdoor fitting, golf industry recognition, and all golf services offered (swing, club-fitting, practice, repair, and trade-in). dhartmann34 and TheBearddBastrd 2 Quote “Think well of all, be patient with all, and try to find the good in all.”-- Muhammad Ali WITB 2024 Edition Woods: LTDx [10.5*, TD LE 60; RadSpeed Tour [17.5*], TD Gloss 70; Hybrid: King Tec 2019 [21*], TD LE 60; Pro Fli Hi [4ui], Steelfiber HLS880; Irons & Wedges: CB-1 [5i - 9i], NovaTech BTR Lite; Wedges: S23, 610; Putter: Nashville One, One Step, Max; Ball: XS [22]; Notables: Best Grips MicroPerf; -Vessel Tour stand bag; Pro LX+ with H4; 3.5+ with Alphard Club Booster V2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 10 minutes ago, Middler said: It’s not height or arm length that determines club length, it’s wrist-to-floor measurement (combination of both). As noted above, we can’t provide a meaningful reply with the info given in the OP. You could get a good fitting at a Dick’s (a little better at Golf Galaxy), but odds are against it. You could get a bad fitting at an expensive dedicated fitter, but the odds are against it. By the time you know enough to know good from bad yourself, you can fit yourself (except you probably wouldn’t have the tools). So getting a referral from someone here, or close to you is the best first step, but still not an absolute guarantee. The number of fitters that do wrist to floor measurements including the really good one is extremely low, other than the pin fitting app their reps and fitters at hq don’t even use that. the good fitters look at how a golfer sets up, their swing, ball flight, face contact and maybe even a lie board but that use is becoming rare and a lot use a sharpie line on the Val and see how it marks the clubface to set lie. Many prefer to adjust lie before length. @Golfspy_CG2 who is pretty tall was just for at TPI and had a change in the length of his clubs and I’m 99% sure they didn’t measure his wrist to floor. Iirc he went from 1” over to standard Golfspy_CG2 and Rickp 2 Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bens197 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Just asking the question tells us everything we need to know. Let’s say the employee has the skill and knowledge to fit you, DSG and other big box stores lack the resources to offer a complete and proper service. Mr. 82 1 Quote Titleist TSi3 Fujikura Speeder NX Blue 60X TaylorMade SIM2 3 wood Fujilkura Ventus Blue 7-X Titleist U505 2 Tensei 1K Black 85 X Titleist T100 4-P Nippon Modus 3 120X PING S159 50-S 55-H 59-T DG X100 Vokey SM8 50, SM9 54 & 60 Nippon Modus 3 120s L.A.B. MEZZ Max Broom Accra 47" 79.5* Srixon Z-Star XV Currently testing the 2024 PING S159 wedges… https://forum.mygolfspy.com/topic/63483-testers-announced-ping-s159-wedges/ Was testing, still loving the 2023 Titleist T100 Irons 4-P https://forum.mygolfspy.com/topic/60456-titleist-t-series-irons-2023-forum-review/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berg Ryman Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 42 minutes ago, bens197 said: Just asking the question tells us everything we need to know. Let’s say the employee has the skill and knowledge to fit you, DSG and other big box stores lack the resources to offer a complete and proper service. Right on the nose as always Steve. So, as I'm sure some of you know I worked for Dick's in Golf while I was going through Law School as a way to make some cash while I was going into substantial debt and as I think I explain in another thread for time gone by, Dick's works on a tier system as to how they staff and supply stores. There are 4 tiers in the system based on sales and market overlap with other stores in your district. Obviously the higher tier you are, the more and different clubs and resources you get. Now I still know a lot of the guys in the CNY area who work at our Dick's and our one Golf Galaxy and some of them really know their stuff and have a ton of good practical experience as fitters, but at our yearly fitting classes, reviews and company launch events and the like, we knew that we were handcuffed a bit in what we had to offer. For example, my store was a tier 4, we carried primarily TM and Callaway, with our next largest club provider at the time was Top Flite, the store brand (I left before we got Tommy Armour), we'd sometimes have a touch of Cobra, Nike when they were around, and then my final year we'd get older generation Ping from other stores. So unless you were looking only at Callaway or TM, you were out of luck. It sucks too because when people have these bad experiences it gives those within the company who know what they're doing a bad name because it allows people to paint with a wide brush. In all I guess my point is this, there are good and bad fitters everywhere and you shouldn't just hold where they work against them, they're doing the best with what they have. Thin2win, bens197, Mr. 82 and 1 other 4 Quote In a Hoofer Lite bag TSR2, 10 degrees, A1 setting, Fujikara Speeder NX Blue 50-S Stealth, 15 degrees, VA Composites Nemesys 70-S E722, 19 degrees, Oban Devotion 80-S JPX 921 Hot Metal Pro 4-P, Nippon 950GH Stiff Flex CBX Zipcore 50* (bent to *49) and RTX Zipcore Tour Rack 54* (bent to *55), DG 115 Spinner, Tour Issue Staff Model TG 60*, Dynamic Gold 120 S300 SIK Golf Flo-C Tour B-XS (2022 Model) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bens197 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 22 minutes ago, Berg Ryman said: Right on the nose as always Steve. So, as I'm sure some of you know I worked for Dick's in Golf while I was going through Law School as a way to make some cash while I was going into substantial debt and as I think I explain in another thread for time gone by, Dick's works on a tier system as to how they staff and supply stores. There are 4 tiers in the system based on sales and market overlap with other stores in your district. Obviously the higher tier you are, the more and different clubs and resources you get. Now I still know a lot of the guys in the CNY area who work at our Dick's and our one Golf Galaxy and some of them really know their stuff and have a ton of good practical experience as fitters, but at our yearly fitting classes, reviews and company launch events and the like, we knew that we were handcuffed a bit in what we had to offer. For example, my store was a tier 4, we carried primarily TM and Callaway, with our next largest club provider at the time was Top Flite, the store brand (I left before we got Tommy Armour), we'd sometimes have a touch of Cobra, Nike when they were around, and then my final year we'd get older generation Ping from other stores. So unless you were looking only at Callaway or TM, you were out of luck. It sucks too because when people have these bad experiences it gives those within the company who know what they're doing a bad name because it allows people to paint with a wide brush. In all I guess my point is this, there are good and bad fitters everywhere and you shouldn't just hold where they work against them, they're doing the best with what they have. It was frustrating to work there knowing we were limited in how we could help the customer. I didn’t know you did as well. I spent two years at the DSG in the Dewitt Shoppingtown mall Sophomore and Jr years at LeMoyne. Like you said, good people working but lacking tools to thrive and survive. HardcoreLooper 1 Quote Titleist TSi3 Fujikura Speeder NX Blue 60X TaylorMade SIM2 3 wood Fujilkura Ventus Blue 7-X Titleist U505 2 Tensei 1K Black 85 X Titleist T100 4-P Nippon Modus 3 120X PING S159 50-S 55-H 59-T DG X100 Vokey SM8 50, SM9 54 & 60 Nippon Modus 3 120s L.A.B. MEZZ Max Broom Accra 47" 79.5* Srixon Z-Star XV Currently testing the 2024 PING S159 wedges… https://forum.mygolfspy.com/topic/63483-testers-announced-ping-s159-wedges/ Was testing, still loving the 2023 Titleist T100 Irons 4-P https://forum.mygolfspy.com/topic/60456-titleist-t-series-irons-2023-forum-review/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berg Ryman Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 9 minutes ago, bens197 said: It was frustrating to work there knowing we were limited in how we could help the customer. I didn’t know you did as well. I spent two years at the DSG in the Dewitt Shoppingtown mall Sophomore and Jr years at LeMoyne. Like you said, good people working but lacking tools to thrive and survive. Shoppingtown as well, Were you there with Alan and Lowell? bens197 1 Quote In a Hoofer Lite bag TSR2, 10 degrees, A1 setting, Fujikara Speeder NX Blue 50-S Stealth, 15 degrees, VA Composites Nemesys 70-S E722, 19 degrees, Oban Devotion 80-S JPX 921 Hot Metal Pro 4-P, Nippon 950GH Stiff Flex CBX Zipcore 50* (bent to *49) and RTX Zipcore Tour Rack 54* (bent to *55), DG 115 Spinner, Tour Issue Staff Model TG 60*, Dynamic Gold 120 S300 SIK Golf Flo-C Tour B-XS (2022 Model) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bens197 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Just now, Berg Ryman said: Shoppingtown as well, Were you there with Alan and Lowell? Hoagie was the PGA pro at the time. This was almost 19 years ago. God, I’m old. Mr. 82 1 Quote Titleist TSi3 Fujikura Speeder NX Blue 60X TaylorMade SIM2 3 wood Fujilkura Ventus Blue 7-X Titleist U505 2 Tensei 1K Black 85 X Titleist T100 4-P Nippon Modus 3 120X PING S159 50-S 55-H 59-T DG X100 Vokey SM8 50, SM9 54 & 60 Nippon Modus 3 120s L.A.B. MEZZ Max Broom Accra 47" 79.5* Srixon Z-Star XV Currently testing the 2024 PING S159 wedges… https://forum.mygolfspy.com/topic/63483-testers-announced-ping-s159-wedges/ Was testing, still loving the 2023 Titleist T100 Irons 4-P https://forum.mygolfspy.com/topic/60456-titleist-t-series-irons-2023-forum-review/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berg Ryman Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 1 minute ago, bens197 said: Hoagie was the PGA pro at the time. This was almost 19 years ago. God, I’m old. Gotcha, he must have left and was replaced by Alan Savage who road it out until the culling of Pros before landing back on his feet at Turning Stone. The passage of time does terrible things to us all. bens197 1 Quote In a Hoofer Lite bag TSR2, 10 degrees, A1 setting, Fujikara Speeder NX Blue 50-S Stealth, 15 degrees, VA Composites Nemesys 70-S E722, 19 degrees, Oban Devotion 80-S JPX 921 Hot Metal Pro 4-P, Nippon 950GH Stiff Flex CBX Zipcore 50* (bent to *49) and RTX Zipcore Tour Rack 54* (bent to *55), DG 115 Spinner, Tour Issue Staff Model TG 60*, Dynamic Gold 120 S300 SIK Golf Flo-C Tour B-XS (2022 Model) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thin2win Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 2 hours ago, Middler said: I had a driver fitting at a PGA Superstore, by an older gentleman who told me he'd been fitting players for 35 years. After about a half hour on a launch monitor with several heads, he recommended a stock Rogue 10.5° with a stock shaft. Somehow I think I got what I paid for in fitting quality... I'm not sure getting a stock /stock recommendation implies anything about the fitting. Bell curves are bell curved for a reason, if that was the combination getting the best numbers for you it would be hard to argue with. I know all the golf companies use a stock shaft that they think will work for the most people. They offer alternate options, but the stock shaft should be the most recommended. I know when I went in for a fitting on the mizuno ST180 I really wanted to hit the alternative shafts.. But after 2 hours and countless combinations, the stock tensei blue and the 10.5 head was the best fit for me. I didn't discount the fitting, just learned that I wasn't the unique star fish I had hoped I was. HardcoreLooper 1 Quote WITB: Driver: SIM2 Max 12° - Accra TZ6 M4 FW Wood: Gen5 0311 7w Fujikura Motore X F3 Irons: ZX7 PW-7i, ZX5 6i-5i Wedges: Zipcore 50°, 58° Putter: MySpider X Cart: Onewheel XR+ Ball: Z-Star Diamond/ Z-Star XV 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kor.A.Door Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 On 1/9/2020 at 1:56 PM, Thin2win said: I'm not sure getting a stock /stock recommendation implies anything about the fitting. Bell curves are bell curved for a reason, if that was the combination getting the best numbers for you it would be hard to argue with. I know all the golf companies use a stock shaft that they think will work for the most people. They offer alternate options, but the stock shaft should be the most recommended. I know when I went in for a fitting on the mizuno ST180 I really wanted to hit the alternative shafts.. But after 2 hours and countless combinations, the stock tensei blue and the 10.5 head was the best fit for me. I didn't discount the fitting, just learned that I wasn't the unique star fish I had hoped I was. Yes. This is good information for a lot of people. Just because they offer upgraded shafts doesn’t mean you need it, and it also doesn’t mean that the guy doing the fitting is bad either. Quote Lefties are always in their Right Mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMFlash Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 Going back to the original post - it seems that the OP does understand the basics of fitting as he mentions the correct relationship between length and lie. Reading between the lines a bit, it also seems that the fitters at DSG understand that relationship as well. The assumption is that they potentially did a lie board test and at least a static measurement to come to the conclusion that a flatter lie was needed. The OP did not mention what methods were used to conclude 3 degrees flat. Not only do we not have complete info. as to why DSG recommended only 3 degrees flat rather than some combination of length and lie adjustment, but other factors may be involved. DSG may have been thinking about cost to the customer. To shorten ,the grips either need to be saved (5.99$ ea) or new ones bought and installed (about 10$ per club). Bending alone is 4.99$ per or 32$ for eight. Do the math and the combo adjustment gets expensive. Bending alone is the cost effective option and maybe part of the DSG thinking took this into account. So just for discussion, let's assume that the dynamic fitting (and static fitting) revealed 3 degrees flat and standard length. Then the fitter is doing their job. Let's say it showed 1/2 inch short implying that 2 degrees flat would now work. OK - fine. But other factors like age of the clubs, skill of the golfer, frequency of play, etc. may have made the combo adjustment unnecessary / not preferred by the customer (due to cost). If 3 degrees flat alone works, then DSG can certainly be trusted to make such a recommendation and be reluctant to charge the customer for further adjustments. In conclusion, we do not have enough info to make a clear determination as to whether the DSG fitters can be "trusted". The OP asked a loaded question and got the usual loaded answers regarding what is commonly perceived to be a big box experience. It would be fair and instructive to get the fitting sheet (hopefully it exists) and describe in detail the conversation between DSG and your friend. If the fitting sheet exists, take a pic and post it, and then all the experts on this site can make a recommendation as to whether the DSG fitter did their job and knows their stuff (can be trusted). Sometimes customers just want what they want, even when it is not in their best interest. Either way, it would be great to have more info about the entire situation to make a more accurate determination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBearddBastrd Posted January 11, 2020 Author Share Posted January 11, 2020 Thanks for the suggestions and advice everyone. I think I'll be going to the place@whtfsh referred me to. 2 hour drive but I'll feel good knowing I got a proper, professional fitting.Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk WFWP91 and dhartmann34 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhartmann34 Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 Thanks for the suggestions and advice everyone. I think I'll be going to the place[mention=66747]whtfsh[/mention] referred me to. 2 hour drive but I'll feel good knowing I got a proper, professional fitting.Sent from my SM-G965U using TapatalkBe sure to check back and let us know how it goes! Sent from my SM-G975U using Tapatalk Quote Driver: G400 (8*) with Diamana Kai'li X-stiff Fairway: G400 (14.5*) with Diamana Kai'li X-stiff Irons: Crossover 3 iron (19*) with TT Dynamic Gold 120 S400 shaft AP3 (4/5) and AP2 (6-PW) with TT Dynamic Gold 120 S400 shafts Wedges: Scor 50*, 54*, and 58* with TT Dynamic Gold 120 S400 shafts Putter: Pro Platinum Newport 2 Midslant Handicap: 3 Location: Illinois...until i can get my wife to move to a warmer climate Right Handed: Although sometimes I wonder if left handed would suit me better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WFWP91 Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 I look forward to hearing your fitting experience. Quote “Think well of all, be patient with all, and try to find the good in all.”-- Muhammad Ali WITB 2024 Edition Woods: LTDx [10.5*, TD LE 60; RadSpeed Tour [17.5*], TD Gloss 70; Hybrid: King Tec 2019 [21*], TD LE 60; Pro Fli Hi [4ui], Steelfiber HLS880; Irons & Wedges: CB-1 [5i - 9i], NovaTech BTR Lite; Wedges: S23, 610; Putter: Nashville One, One Step, Max; Ball: XS [22]; Notables: Best Grips MicroPerf; -Vessel Tour stand bag; Pro LX+ with H4; 3.5+ with Alphard Club Booster V2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forged12 Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Most of these guys are not “fitters”, simply because they’ve never gone to a qualified school, such as GolfWorks, to learn the basics. Even if some have attended a school such as this, they only get basic instruction. “Professional fitters” have done this as well as passed stringent written and practical examinations given by professional golf clubmaker associations such as the old PCS, the Clubmakers’ Guild, or others. In addition, these professional fitters are certified and have years of practical experience. Do yourself a favor and search out qualified, certified clubfitters and look for testimonials from former clients. You won’t regret it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 2 hours ago, forged12 said: Most of these guys are not “fitters”, simply because they’ve never gone to a qualified school, such as GolfWorks, to learn the basics. Even if some have attended a school such as this, they only get basic instruction. “Professional fitters” have done this as well as passed stringent written and practical examinations given by professional golf clubmaker associations such as the old PCS, the Clubmakers’ Guild, or others. In addition, these professional fitters are certified and have years of practical experience. Do yourself a favor and search out qualified, certified clubfitters and look for testimonials from former clients. You won’t regret it. The fitter I go to and trust hasn’t been to any of those classes or training. He learned on the job under another good fitter and thru asking questions from the sales reps who also have some good skills. Training/certs in any job don’t guarantee anything. two of the best fittings I’ve had come from young guys who learned or were learning on the job. cnosil 1 Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmishJason Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 On 1/4/2020 at 1:28 PM, HardcoreLooper said: This. Fitting is one area where local knowledge is paramount. There are MGS forum members all over the US (and scattered around the world). Tell us where you are and we can recommend someone. Who would the community recommend in Central Arkansas? Arkansas Golf Headquarters in Conway, Arkansas has some of the best ratings that I've seen online, but their website doesn't even tell what brands they carry, just rates and facilities. Quote Driver: Cobra Speedzone 10.5 Mitsubishi AV Blue S flex Wood: Cobra Bio Cell 3-4 Grafalloy Pro Launch Blue (low launch original version) S flex Hybrids: Taylormade GAPR 3 KBS graphite shaft Strata 4 and 5 hybrids R flex Irons: Strata 6-PW R flex Wedges: Texan Classics 52, 56, 60 R flex Putter: Odyssey Red Ball mallet Ball: Srixon Q Star Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Burdette Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 Where do you find a quality club fitter? I”m 6’-4” and was fitted at Golftec and they fit me with standard length clubs, my iron game is gone down hill since I got these clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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