President's Cup 2019

[tony@CIC]

Looks like Brooks is out due injury and Rickie is in as his replacement 

[Quigleyd]

Brook is going to have a long 2020 with lots of talking heads turning on him. you watch..

[BADFanBoi Scotty]

Looks like it's going to be s*** weather for El Presidente's Cuppe.

Typical of Melbourne weather. Can't do a bloody thing right.

[FrogginBullfish]

What makes you say that?

Brook is going to have a long 2020 with lots of talking heads turning on him. you watch..

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[MattF]

7 hours ago, Green Sheep Productions said:

Looks like it's going to be s*** weather for El Presidente's Cuppe.

Typical of Melbourne weather. Can't do a bloody thing right.

See, that's why we Sydneysiders always say it's always raining in Melbourne...and it's summer!

[GolfSpy MPR]

What are you guys expecting from this year's matchup at Royal Melbourne? This chart was posted this morning on Twitter, and it's the kind of nerdy data that I just love about golf:

[Source: https://twitter.com/LouStagner/status/1198753289858420742]

Statistically, in terms of Strokes Gained, the USA has an enormous advantage. The weakest American in Strokes Gained (Gary Woodland) would be the fourth-ranked player on the International squad.

But the head-to-head matchups are slightly less lopsided: four Americans have losing matchup records against the Int team (Reed, Woodland, Finau, and DeChambeau); four Internationals have overall winning records against the Americans (Matsuyama, Day, Oosthuizen, and Scott).

 

[cnosil]

I am a data geek as well. I saw that you have been retweeting those stats so I have been reading through them.

As for the presidents cup, the numbers favor the US but I don’t think it will be a runaway.

[Mr. 82]

Whether people want to talk about it or not, Patrick Reed is the notable news story heading into this thing.  It's probably all people are talking about, and are going to talk about.  I pity the fool that is paired with him.  Frankly, he needs to just show up and earn his points and just play honest golf.  Leave the circus sidestories back in the Bahamas and just contribute to the team without it being about him.  I honestly don't think he can do it.

[GolfSpy MPR]

10 minutes ago, GSwag said:

Whether people want to talk about it or not, Patrick Reed is the notable news story heading into this thing.  It's probably all people are talking about, and are going to talk about.  I pity the fool that is paired with him.  Frankly, he needs to just show up and earn his points and just play honest golf.  Leave the circus sidestories back in the Bahamas and just contribute to the team without it being about him.  I honestly don't think he can do it.

It'll certainly be interesting. Given Reed's showing in the last Ryder Cup (both on and off the course), I agree he'd do well to keep his head down and try to regain his standing as the bulldog of USA match play by his performance rather than by his bluster. Like you, I'm skeptical he has that gear, and that's unfortunate. I think, long term, it's a benefit for Team USA to have Reed at his best for these matches. Europe has shown that having a guy who's a magnet for hatred from the opposing side while playing well above his head in match play format is a formidable addition to any team (I'm thinking of Poulter here). Reed is well-positioned for that role, if he can regain his form without alienating his own teammates.

[BADFanBoi Scotty]

6 hours ago, MattF said:

See, that's why we Sydneysiders always say it's always raining in Melbourne...and it's summer!

It's a bit too crispy around Sydney at the moment... I'll take the rain!

[MattF]

17 hours ago, Green Sheep Productions said:

It's a bit too crispy around Sydney at the moment... I'll take the rain!

No sh!t. It's bloody scary and they've been nailing people lighting the damn things.

[TR1PTIK]

On 12/9/2019 at 12:17 PM, GolfSpy MPR said:

It'll certainly be interesting. Given Reed's showing in the last Ryder Cup (both on and off the course), I agree he'd do well to keep his head down and try to regain his standing as the bulldog of USA match play by his performance rather than by his bluster. Like you, I'm skeptical he has that gear, and that's unfortunate. I think, long term, it's a benefit for Team USA to have Reed at his best for these matches. Europe has shown that having a guy who's a magnet for hatred from the opposing side while playing well above his head in match play format is a formidable addition to any team (I'm thinking of Poulter here). Reed is well-positioned for that role, if he can regain his form without alienating his own teammates.

I think I'm now of the opinion that Reed's name be dropped from consideration for team events unless he's able to qualify on his own merit. There's just too much drama that comes with placing him on the roster and it's a needless distraction that makes Team USA look pretty pathetic.

[GolfSpy MPR]

1 hour ago, TR1PTIK said:

I think I'm now of the opinion that Reed's name be dropped from consideration for team events unless he's able to qualify on his own merit. There's just too much drama that comes with placing him on the roster and it's a needless distraction that makes Team USA look pretty pathetic.

This is a position that makes perfect sense, and I could certainly get behind it. That said, and at the risk of doing some serious over psychoanalysis, I do wonder if picking Reed was a distinctly Tiger-driven move. The fairly decent relationship between them is pretty well-documented, and I wonder if Tiger, having gone through his self-inflicted time of being the object of popular ire, doesn't view himself in some sense as a mentor to see Reed through his own issues.

That isn't to say that playing on the national team is the best way to accomplish that task, certainly. But I wonder if that isn't a factor in Tiger's choosing of Reed, and that Captain Stricker, for instance, wouldn't have the same inclination.

[Kanoito]

Bummer... they start playing around midnight here

[JohnSmalls]

On 12/9/2019 at 7:35 AM, MattF said:

See, that's why we Sydneysiders always say it's always raining in Melbourne...and it's summer!

Summer?  What's that?

[RickyBobby_PR]

1 minute ago, JohnSmalls said:

Summer?  What's that?

I’ve heard this term in the past. I hear it’s when weather is warm . 

[MattF]

2 hours ago, JohnSmalls said:

Summer?  What's that?

I'm sure you've seen that yellow sphere in the sky that makes things hotter...it'll come back at some stage, I think.

[BADFanBoi Scotty]

2 hours ago, MattF said:

I'm sure you've seen that yellow sphere in the sky that makes things hotter...it'll come back at some stage, I think.

Sure it will. April.

[Kenny B]

With 5 groups on the course, how are they going to show every group and still show every one of Tiger's shots?

[Rickp]

With 5 groups on the course, how are they going to show every group and still show every one of Tiger's shots?

It’s a puzzlement


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[downlowkey]

Royal Melbourne looks fantastic. And crazy fast. This is going to be a really fun competition to watch.

[Rickp]

Royal Melbourne looks fantastic. And crazy fast. This is going to be a really fun competition to watch.

Those greens look like 3 putts every hole for us mere humans.


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[sixcat]

Royal Melbourne is the real attraction here. Looks absolutely amazing on TV.

I can’t get excited for this competition though. Not sure if it’s the disjointed attempt to throw random countries together to form the International team or the utter dominance of the US?


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[Peaksy68]

 

32 minutes ago, downlowkey said:

Royal Melbourne looks fantastic. And crazy fast. This is going to be a really fun competition to watch.

 

23 minutes ago, sixcat said:

Royal Melbourne is the real attraction here. Looks absolutely amazing on TV.

I can’t get excited for this competition though. Not sure if it’s the disjointed attempt to throw random countries together to form the International team or the utter dominance of the US?


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I haven't played the composite course, but the 12 holes from RM West that are part of it are truly amazing.  The par 3's are all stunningly good and the bunkers look like they were just there, and the green locations were chosen because of the topography. 

Nothing on the course looks forced, and the holes flow beautifully. When I've played there the greens weren't as scarily fast as they are for tournament play, but they were still scary. Anything above the hole is frightening.

The TV doesn't do justice to the amount of undulations on the course, it's not Augusta hilly, but there is a lot more slope on most holes than is readily apparent.

I think I might need to get back in contact with a couple of old mates who are members to try and mooch another game.

[tony@CIC]

Whoa DJ and Gary that's not a good start for the first day. You guys need to get in gear!


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[JohnSmalls]

Some great golf being played so far.   Tiger telling JT to get his ball on the first hole was golden

[FrogginBullfish]

First point on the board as Tiger and JT close out Leishman and Niemann 4 and 3 on the back of 6 birdies from Tiger.

Internationals playing well in the other matches though.

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[Mr. 82]

The International team came to play.  I think it would be nice if this competition was actually competitive through singles.

[FrogginBullfish]

Wow. If it wasn't for Tiger, the Internationals would have swept the opening session. 4-1 lead.

Awful start for the US team.

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[pulledabill]

Putting seemed to be the difference from what I saw.and Tiger was by far the best player on the course.