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I love the idea of these kinds of clubs.  I really wish they'd scale them down for kids.  US Kids clubs are nice, but a 12 year old with a SS just south of 80 can't really get a cavity back six iron off the ground yet.  She's currently choking up on her older sister's 30* hybrid until I can get a shorter one made for her.  I'd love to see a club like this for her in 30* to fill the gap between her 8 iron and her hybrid.

Anything easy to elevate and hard to chunk would be great for kids.  We try so hard to get them to hit down on the ball, then they hit one fat shot and get scared again.

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pretty sure we've been down this road before Nifty, but i'll repeat since you seemed to think it was necessary to bring up what many would consider a very narrow minded and closed way of thinking. 

Looks like it's tine to dust off this series of articles from Dec. 2014/Jan 2015 on the state of Wilson at that time.  First articles I ever wrote for MGS. It gives you some background as to where Wil

And yet another topic that starts out great about new clubs & tech that helps make the game more enjoyable gets derailed with gibberish that's already been disproved countless times. 

I understand all the features to help an aspiring player elevate the ball.  I favor that.

I don't understand the slice compensating features, though.  closed faces...upright lie angles...all nonsense to me.

That just encourages beginners to not try harder.  No need to stop casting over the top.

Hitting from inside just isn't that hard.   It can be taught in one lesson. 

Fighting the hook was always harder for me.

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1 hour ago, Golfspy_CG2 said:

pretty sure we've been down this road before Nifty, but i'll repeat since you seemed to think it was necessary to bring up what many would consider a very narrow minded and closed way of thinking. 

Some people make no pretense that they want to get better and have no desire for lessons, whether it's 1 or 100.  Some just want to be able to go out and play the occassinal round of golf with friends or family and have a good time.    Clubs that are draw biased definitely serve a purpose for these players and there's not one thing wrong with it.  

Remember those of us golf forums take the game more serious than 99% of the rest of the golf population.  There are plenty of golfers out there who can benefit from offset oversized irons and drivers that won't necessarily appeal to the rest.   

Thank you for posting this.  You beat me to the punch.

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1 hour ago, Golfspy_CG2 said:

pretty sure we've been down this road before Nifty, but i'll repeat since you seemed to think it was necessary to bring up what many would consider a very narrow minded and closed way of thinking. 

Some people make no pretense that they want to get better and have no desire for lessons, whether it's 1 or 100.  Some just want to be able to go out and play the occassinal round of golf with friends or family and have a good time.    Clubs that are draw biased definitely serve a purpose for these players and there's not one thing wrong with it.  

Remember those of us golf forums take the game more serious than 99% of the rest of the golf population.  There are plenty of golfers out there who can benefit from offset oversized irons and drivers that won't necessarily appeal to the rest.   

OK, I understand what you're saying, CG2...these clubs are for casual, occasional players. I know my hangup...I was never a particularly gifted player, but I only hit slices if I hit them on purpose.  Hooks are what ate me up.

Now for a reprise of my other hangup.

Callaway Epic Forged irons.

Louisville Tony Stewart irons.

Both of these are contemporary premium models manufactured right now.

The first set has an 18º 4-iron.

The second set has a 32º 4-iron.

Nobody makes any effort to use the original numbering system that was adopted when steel shafted clubs replaced hickory shafted clubs which had names instead of club numbers.

So why still use club numbers?

The numbers make no sense whatsoever anymore.  Stamp the actual lofts and be done with it.

I think a fourteen degree span for a given club number is absolutely ludicrous.

Yet, I seem to be the only person in the world who cares.

That's harder for me to understand.

 

 

 

 

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15 minutes ago, NiftyNiblick said:

OK, I understand what you're saying, CG2...these clubs are for casual, occasional players. 

No. Just... No. 

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I love the idea of these kinds of clubs.  I really wish they'd scale them down for kids.  US Kids clubs are nice, but a 12 year old with a SS just south of 80 can't really get a cavity back six iron off the ground yet.  She's currently choking up on her older sister's 30* hybrid until I can get a shorter one made for her.  I'd love to see a club like this for her in 30* to fill the gap between her 8 iron and her hybrid.
Anything easy to elevate and hard to chunk would be great for kids.  We try so hard to get them to hit down on the ball, then they hit one fat shot and get scared again.
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1 hour ago, NiftyNiblick said:

 

Yet, I seem to be the only person in the world who cares.

 

This is probably true.

 

Who cares what the club says on the bottom? It is designed to go a certain distance. All the other clubs are designed to go a different distance. I carry a phone in my pocket, it's not a phone, it's a computer that can make a call, but it is still called a phone. 

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On 12/26/2019 at 11:10 AM, NiftyNiblick said:

 

Hitting from inside just isn't that hard.   It can be taught in one lesson. 

Fighting the hook was always harder for me.

It absolutely cannot be taught in one lesson. Wake up tomorrow and try to walk a different way than you have for the last 50 years. You will succeed for a few swings and then revert right back to the way you have always walked. 

If you fought a hook why couldn't that be fixed in one lesson??

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3 hours ago, NiftyNiblick said:

OK, I understand what you're saying, CG2...these clubs are for casual, occasional players. I know my hangup...I was never a particularly gifted player, but I only hit slices if I hit them on purpose.  Hooks are what ate me up.

Now for a reprise of my other hangup.

Callaway Epic Forged irons.

Louisville Tony Stewart irons.

Both of these are contemporary premium models manufactured right now.

The first set has an 18º 4-iron.

The second set has a 32º 4-iron.

Nobody makes any effort to use the original numbering system that was adopted when steel shafted clubs replaced hickory shafted clubs which had names instead of club numbers.

So why still use club numbers?

The numbers make no sense whatsoever anymore.  Stamp the actual lofts and be done with it.

I think a fourteen degree span for a given club number is absolutely ludicrous.

Yet, I seem to be the only person in the world who cares.

That's harder for me to understand.

Numbers on the clubs have been changing for decades. They changed from the 60s and 70s to the 80s, 80s into late 90s and have been relatively consistent since around 97. This argument has been put to bed numerous times from staff writers and club engineers. It’s about launch windows, spin rates and land angles. As materials change, designs change and flight characteristics change. It’s what makes golf great is that as technology improves manufacturers can make various type of irons to fit every type of golfer and help golfers enjoy the game and for those who get older and swing slower to play clubs that help them get the all in the air. It’s not only club tech but ball tech and shaft technology. 
 

so unless you only play clubs from 1950s or earlier you have played jacked lofts too.

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And yet another topic that starts out great about new clubs & tech that helps make the game more enjoyable gets derailed with gibberish that's already been disproved countless times. 

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10 minutes ago, russtopherb said:

And yet another topic that starts out great about new clubs & tech that helps make the game more enjoyable gets derailed with gibberish that's already been disproved countless times. 

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Don't you go on forums for activities you no longer participate in to tell everyone else they're doing it wrong? 

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On 12/26/2019 at 1:32 PM, HardcoreLooper said:


You might take a look at the Cobra T-Rail irons. The rails help with fat shots and they offer a junior shaft. I’m sure you can buy a single club.


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I love the idea of T-Rails.  I haven't found single irons with junior shafts yet, but I'll keep looking.  Thanks for the tip!

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Interesting on the mention of hybrid irons and junior golfers as I just had a discussion with my kids' teaching pro on this.  He strongly dissuades much use of hybrids among the junior golfers he teaches as he believes they limit a younger golfer's ability to learn the correct impact conditions.  He really does not favor it with the adults he teaches either (same reasoning) but understands that at some point the equipment might have to substitute somewhat for swing quality in order for the game to be enjoyable.

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1 hour ago, bellairemi said:

Interesting on the mention of hybrid irons and junior golfers as I just had a discussion with my kids' teaching pro on this.  He strongly dissuades much use of hybrids among the junior golfers he teaches as he believes they limit a younger golfer's ability to learn the correct impact conditions.  He really does not favor it with the adults he teaches either (same reasoning) but understands that at some point the equipment might have to substitute somewhat for swing quality in order for the game to be enjoyable.

Can't say I agree with this. There are tons of PGA Tour and even more LPGA tour players that use hybrids. 

I'm guessing he doesn't believe in cavity back irons either. Does he make his kids use persimmon woods too? 

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1 hour ago, bellairemi said:

but understands that at some point the equipment might have to substitute somewhat for swing quality in order for the game to be enjoyable.

That "some point" arrived a long time a ago for the majority of players. Most players are high handicappers if they even have a handicap and are only interested hitting occasional good shots, advancing the ball and having some fun. I think hybrids offer a lot of forgiveness and have a place in the game for a lot of players. I might concede that perhaps for kids starting out I too might steer away from hybrids. However, there might come a day when even your pro! decides this game could use some assistance as he's no longer the Pro! he remembers or thinks himself being. 

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8 hours ago, jlukes said:

Can't say I agree with this. There are tons of PGA Tour and even more LPGA tour players that use hybrids. 

I'm guessing he doesn't believe in cavity back irons either. Does he make his kids use persimmon woods too? 

He is not a fan of wider soled cavity back irons either, at least for those learning the game.  I'm not here to agree or disagree necessarily with his points because I honestly do not know.  But he did win the 2019 PGA National Junior Instruction Award and has had 40 of his juniors go on to play college golf in the last 4 years (my eldest daughter being one of them) - this from an area with a population of around 25.000 people.  He's not a "golf should be painful" guy but honestly believes that students cannot get the sense of what good contact should be with the wider soles.

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He is not a fan of wider soled cavity back irons either, at least for those learning the game.  I'm not here to agree or disagree necessarily with his points because I honestly do not know.  But he did win the 2019 PGA National Junior Instruction Award and has had 40 of his juniors go on to play college golf in the last 4 years (my eldest daughter being one of them) - this from an area with a population of around 25.000 people.  He's not a "golf should be painful" guy but honestly believes that students cannot get the sense of what good contact should be with the wider soles.

Isn't that kind of the, "I'll be forced to become a better ball striker if I play blades instead of SGIs," argument, though?

I mean, a flushed shot is a flushed shot, a missed shot is a missed shot. Nobody is playing GI/SGI irons because they're purposely trying to miss the center of the club face. 

Certainly, there is a different feel between different types of clubs. I get that. Just seems odd not to use technology that is designed to help. At the end of the day, lowest score wins, and the scorecard doesn't care what type of iron your used to post the score (as long as it's conforming, of course 😀).

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I’d love to see this get back on track...

the Mark Crossfield post by @jlukes hit on exposing us to brands we otherwise wouldn’t consider. I don’t remember who posted the NASCAR analogy but if we parallel that logic, the market can normalize or de-stigmatize these style clubs and encourage more recreational players to give them a shot.  Fact is, without proper education, a majority of golfers are going to lean towards clubs that look cool and or are played by their favorite golfers. 

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1 hour ago, edingc said:

Isn't that kind of the, "I'll be forced to become a better ball striker if I play blades instead of SGIs," argument, though?

I mean, a flushed shot is a flushed shot, a missed shot is a missed shot. Nobody is playing GI/SGI irons because they're purposely trying to miss the center of the club face. 

Certainly, there is a different feel between different types of clubs. I get that. Just seems odd not to use technology that is designed to help. At the end of the day, lowest score wins, and the scorecard doesn't care what type of iron your used to post the score (as long as it's conforming, of course 😀).

I've experienced the same thing when I purchased my "new" 2017 z565 Srixon driver this past year. A flushed shot wasn't any better than my 2007 Cleveland HiBore. But, my misses - especially off the heel - are better.

Having said that, I don't want to play with SGI irons because they usually look too big & clunky to my eye with the thicker toplines. I'd rather get some feedback from a mishit with a forged cavity back or "mild" GI head. To each his own. 

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