Detonator Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 On 12/13/2019 at 10:42 AM, GolfSpy MPR said: I just picked up Brandel's book this past week, and he (like a number of instructors throughout golf history) is an advocate of a strong grip. My tendency has been a neutral-to-weak grip in the past, so I've been tinkering with a stronger grip. One thing I've noticed: it's much easier to get my forearms properly oriented on the downswing with a stronger grip. Simple experiment: turn you trail hand grip to a weaker position, and notice that it immediately encourages your trail arm to move above (rather than under) you lead arm. So I'm continuing this experiment. But I wanted to ask: how would you characterize your own grip? I had this problem when I started in 2012. I had a strong grip and couldn't hit the left side of a fairway if you held a gun to my head; everything was a wide open face. My coach changed it from strong to neutral or weakish neutral and I could finally hit a draw. However, it did promote my trail arm getting high and closing my shoulders. I have to kinda watch this but I'd say my grip is still neutral. sirchunksalot and cksurfdude 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cksurfdude Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 Just read through this after a lesson - working on short irons - where the coach had me slightly weaken my grip from (slightly strong?) to more neutral (RH'ed - so left thumb vee pointing up at left/lead shoulder, not back at right shoulder) .... with good results! Again: short irons; we did not swing longer clubs this session but he suggested I may need the slightly strong grip on longer irons. fwiw: typically a hair weak on partial wedge shots. tony@CIC and sirchunksalot 2 Quote WITB of an "aspiring" play-ah ... Driver...Callaway Paradym (Aldila Ascent PL Blue 40/A) 5W...Callaway Great Big Bertha (MCA Kai'Li Red 50/R) 7W...Tour Edge Exotics EXS (Tensei CK Blue 50/R) 4H...Callaway Epic Super Hybrid (Recoil ZT9 F3) 5H...Callaway Big Bertha ('19) (Recoil 460 ESX F3) 6i-GW...Sub 70 699 V2 (Recoil 660 F3) 54°, 60°...Cleveland CBX2, CBX 60 (Rotex graphite) Putter...EvnRoll ER5 or MLA Tour XDream (P2 Reflex grip on both) ...all in a Datrek bag on an MGI Zip Navigator electric cart. Ball often, not always, MaxFli Tour. Forum Member tester for the Paradym X driver (2023) Forum Member tester for the ExPutt Putting Simulator (2020) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB13 Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 Went to the simulator tonight and played around with my grip strength with very interesting results. For the past month or so, my swing has consisted of pull hooks, and not much else. By slightly weakening my left hand and strengthening my right hand, I was able to hit small draws and baby fades much more regularly. I’m going to keep messing around with it, and see what happens.. cksurfdude and sirchunksalot 2 Quote Wilson Staff C300 9.0* Fujikura Pro 58 stiff Callaway Rogue 3W Mitsubishi Diamana D+ LTD 80 stiff Mizuno MP-18 MMC FLI-HI 2 iron UST Mamiya Recoil 95 stiff Ping I200's 4-W Aerotech Steelfiber I110 CW stiff Ping Glide 52* and 58* stiff Bettinardi Studio Stock #38 Armlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrMJG Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 On my return to golf, I had to almost most start over in terms of grip. It seems I started a it too weak, so my coach ad me go to a some hard grip and THEN move to a somewhat more neutral grip. It as worked fine these past three years. Too hard of a grip also tires my hands quite a lot as I have major arthritis in my right hand. sirchunksalot and cksurfdude 2 Quote In My BELDIN Green Bay Packer 1999 Super Bowl Champions Bag : G410 Plus, Alta Red CB 55 SR Flex, GX-7 14º(acting as a 3 wood), G400 4H, 5H. Sr Flex, G400 6i Sr Flex, G-Max 7i. 9i Sr Flex , Glide 2.0 Wedges graphite SR Shafts (50º, 56º, 60º), Putter: Cadence Mid-TR 350g e12 for the items I try to hit on purpose; matte red, so I can see them. on my feet and hands, US Embassy-Singapore hat on my head (with PACKERS, Brewers or UW-Badgers hats as options). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlow206 Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 On 12/16/2019 at 4:39 AM, edingc said: I put "neutral," but only because that's the average of both hands. I'm currently rocking a strong-to-very-strong left hand and a weak-to-very-weak right hand, a.k.a. butterfly grip/bio-K grip, with a Vardon overlap, at the suggestion of the teacher I started going to. I had been using a very weak baseball grip and was having all sorts of issues with club path and face-to-path. When I was on, I hit a pull fade, off and I'd slice the ball off the planet. Changing the grip immediately changed my path from out-to-in to in-to-out on Trackman, and also got my club face more closed at impact. After a few buckets trying to hit hooks, I am now to the point of a reliable straight/push baby draw, a first for me. My miss is left when I get too inside on the backswing. I toyed with a strong left and right hand about midway through the summer and played pretty well from early July to late August. I should have probably stuck with it then, but it never felt right to me. What I'm working with now just feels a whole lot better for me, I just turn through and forget about trying to actively square the club face. I am going to experiment with a strong left hand, with a neutralish/slightly weak right hand. From some experimentation at home (practice swings only without ball), this grip for me automatically returns the club to square without any manipulation. I didn't even know that this style of grip was actually a thing until the last few days. My struggle has been right hand getting too far under the grip (too strong) and hitting a lot of snappers. edingc 1 Quote Follow my golf journey to break into the 80s Tester for the Titleist TSi Driver Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft Updated 07/15/2022 Driver: Rogue St Max LS - Autoflex Fairway Woods: Rogue Max St 3HL and 7 Wood Irons: JPX 921 Hot Metal 5 to AW - Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff parallel tip Wedges: Glide 4.0 54 and 58 Putter: PLD Custom Kushin 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edingc Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 22 minutes ago, dlow206 said: I am going to experiment with a strong left hand, with a neutralish/slightly weak right hand. From some experimentation at home (practice swings only without ball), this grip for me automatically returns the club to square without any manipulation. I didn't even know that this style of grip was actually a thing until the last few days. My struggle has been right hand getting too far under the grip (too strong) and hitting a lot of snappers. This is now a very comfortable grip for me. I'm glad my coach showed me it because I had tried strong/strong and had the hooks, as you've experienced. If I get the club into a good position going back, I hit nice straight/slight draw now. If I get too far inside then I still get snappers. I had a handful of drives and a couple irons today like that. Good luck! Rickp and sirchunksalot 2 Quote Unofficial WHS Handicap: 7.5 / Anti-Cap: 13.0 (Last Updated Feb. 19, 2024) Driver: Callaway Paradym TD (10.5°, -1/N), 45.75", Fujikura Motore X F1 6X | Fitting Post 3 Wood: Cobra RadSpeed Big Tour (14.5°), 43", Fujikura Motore X F1 7X 20° Hybrid: PXG 0211 (2020 Model), 40.25", Mitsubishi Tensei AV RAW White 90X 4 Utility: Cobra KING Utility (2020 Model), 38.5", Aerotech SteelFiber i110cw Stiff 5-PW: Ben Hogan PTx Pro, 37" 7 Iron, Aerotech SteelFiber i125cw Stiff | Club Champion Fitting 50°, 54°, 58°: Edel SMS, V Grind, Nippon Modus 125 Wedge| Official Review Thread Putter: L.A.B. Golf DF 2.1, 36", 68°, Black with Custom Sightlines, BGT Stability Tour, L.A.B. Press II 3° | Unofficial Review Grips: Star Sidewinder, Undersized with Custom Tape Build-Up Ball: Snell MTB-X Optic Yellow Tracked By: Shot Scope H4 Bag: Personalized 2020 Sun Mountain Sync Riding On: Bag Boy Nitron | Official Review Thread WITB? | 2022 Reviewer Edel SMS Wedges | 2021 Reviewer Maxfli Tour and Tour X Balls | 2020 Participant #CobraConnect Challenge | 2019 Reviewer Callaway Epic Flash Driver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlow206 Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 6 minutes ago, edingc said: This is now a very comfortable grip for me. I'm glad my coach showed me it because I had tried strong/strong and had the hooks, as you've experienced. If I get the club into a good position going back, I hit nice straight/slight draw now. If I get too far inside then I still get snappers. I had a handful of drives and a couple irons today like that. Good luck! How weak is your right hand? I find (in practice swings only) that if I weaken the right hand too much, the face starts coming down open which for me would lead to a flip at the last minute and a snap hook. I'm going to try right hand V pointing slightly right of my chin. edingc 1 Quote Follow my golf journey to break into the 80s Tester for the Titleist TSi Driver Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft Updated 07/15/2022 Driver: Rogue St Max LS - Autoflex Fairway Woods: Rogue Max St 3HL and 7 Wood Irons: JPX 921 Hot Metal 5 to AW - Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff parallel tip Wedges: Glide 4.0 54 and 58 Putter: PLD Custom Kushin 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edingc Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 8 hours ago, dlow206 said: How weak is your right hand? I find (in practice swings only) that if I weaken the right hand too much, the face starts coming down open which for me would lead to a flip at the last minute and a snap hook. I'm going to try right hand V pointing slightly right of my chin. Sounds like a similar position to me, perhaps weaker though. I feel like my right palm is facing my target when the club shaft is vertical. Note that I mentioned this is with the club shaft straight up and down. I play with a slight forward press, so at address to the ball my "V's" and knuckles don't match up with what they were at shaft vertical. tony@CIC 1 Quote Unofficial WHS Handicap: 7.5 / Anti-Cap: 13.0 (Last Updated Feb. 19, 2024) Driver: Callaway Paradym TD (10.5°, -1/N), 45.75", Fujikura Motore X F1 6X | Fitting Post 3 Wood: Cobra RadSpeed Big Tour (14.5°), 43", Fujikura Motore X F1 7X 20° Hybrid: PXG 0211 (2020 Model), 40.25", Mitsubishi Tensei AV RAW White 90X 4 Utility: Cobra KING Utility (2020 Model), 38.5", Aerotech SteelFiber i110cw Stiff 5-PW: Ben Hogan PTx Pro, 37" 7 Iron, Aerotech SteelFiber i125cw Stiff | Club Champion Fitting 50°, 54°, 58°: Edel SMS, V Grind, Nippon Modus 125 Wedge| Official Review Thread Putter: L.A.B. Golf DF 2.1, 36", 68°, Black with Custom Sightlines, BGT Stability Tour, L.A.B. Press II 3° | Unofficial Review Grips: Star Sidewinder, Undersized with Custom Tape Build-Up Ball: Snell MTB-X Optic Yellow Tracked By: Shot Scope H4 Bag: Personalized 2020 Sun Mountain Sync Riding On: Bag Boy Nitron | Official Review Thread WITB? | 2022 Reviewer Edel SMS Wedges | 2021 Reviewer Maxfli Tour and Tour X Balls | 2020 Participant #CobraConnect Challenge | 2019 Reviewer Callaway Epic Flash Driver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlaidJacket Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 Food for thought... https://practical-golf.com/proper-golf-grip/ RI_Redneck and revkev 2 Quote My Sun Mountain bag currently includes: 771CSI 5i - PW and PFC Micro Tour-c 52°, 56°, 60 wedges EXS 10.5*, 929-HS FW4 16.5* Willimette w/GolfPride Contour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZenGolfer Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 Neutral. I find that if I go strong, I hit hooks and if I go weak, I hit blocks; so neutral allows me to hit a nice, little draw. Quote "I suppose its better to be a master of 7 than to be vaguely familiar with 14." - Chick Evans Whats in my Sun Mountain 2.5+ stand bag? Woods: Tommy Armour Atomic 10.5* Hybrid: Mizuno MP Fli-Hi 3H Irons: Mizuno T-Zoid True 5, 7 and 9-irons Wedge: Mizuno S18 54* and Top Flite chipper Putter: Mizuno Bettinardi A-02 Ball: Maxfli Tour X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixyurdivot Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 Here's my 6i. I'd say mine is neutral to slightly strong - agree? I try and have a loose, natural feeling grip across all my clubs. The short period of time when I reached out to a local pro for lessons (like 30 years ago), that resulted in a very frustrating period of golf, he included a change to a stronger grip. He did this to move me from a soft fade to draw ball flight. It never felt natural to me and I struggled with it. I use an overlap vs. interlock pinky fingers - that was another change he made... and one of the few that stuck. Quote G410 Plus, 9 Degree Driver G400 SFT, 16 Degree 3w G400 SFT, 19 Degree 5w ZX5 Irons 4-AW Glide 2.0 56 Degree SW (removed from double secret probation ) ER5v Putter (Evnroll ER5v Official Review) AI-One Milled Seven T CH (Currently Under Product Test) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlow206 Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 Here is an interesting article that goes into way too much detail on grips. It's a two part article http://kelvinmiyahiragolf-articles.com/index.php/articles/articles-2/2011-articles/67-2011-09-pga-tour-grip-styles-part-2 Quote Follow my golf journey to break into the 80s Tester for the Titleist TSi Driver Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft Updated 07/15/2022 Driver: Rogue St Max LS - Autoflex Fairway Woods: Rogue Max St 3HL and 7 Wood Irons: JPX 921 Hot Metal 5 to AW - Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff parallel tip Wedges: Glide 4.0 54 and 58 Putter: PLD Custom Kushin 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlowNLow Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 Left hand is closer to neutral, right hand is stronger, I know hands are supposed to "match" but I can't help it, I have issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlow206 Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 I tested out the very strong left hand, neutral/weakish right hand and it was a game changed with the driver. It mitigated the snappers and let me really go after the ball. Still a work in-progress to get the right feel with irons with the new grip and how exactly I should best set my hands, but still very promising. sirchunksalot and fixyurdivot 2 Quote Follow my golf journey to break into the 80s Tester for the Titleist TSi Driver Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft Updated 07/15/2022 Driver: Rogue St Max LS - Autoflex Fairway Woods: Rogue Max St 3HL and 7 Wood Irons: JPX 921 Hot Metal 5 to AW - Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff parallel tip Wedges: Glide 4.0 54 and 58 Putter: PLD Custom Kushin 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 On 3/8/2020 at 9:48 AM, PlaidJacket said: Food for thought... https://practical-golf.com/proper-golf-grip/ I was going to write exactly what is contained in this article - grip is important but much like many other things golf there is no magic, general, this is what works best for everyone answer. My grip is on the strong side. It wasn't always that way - I read Golf My Way and Hogan's five lessons and of course adopted a weak interlocking grip. I hit fades all over the place with that grip. The more I grew and the stronger that I got those fades could turn into pull hooks. I took a lesson while in college and the pro tried to force me into a strong grip - I hated the way it felt and gave up on lessons for a while - slowly but surely though I realized that a strong grip and hitting draws, alla Tom Watson whose build is similar to mine, was the much better way to go. As a right handed baseball player I naturally saw the ball moving right to left and had far better control of it that way. I don't think there's anything approaching a right grip for all - but I fully agree that there's a right grip for you and figuring out how to consistently grip the club is important. I'm sure that its okay to grip the club differently for chips and especially sand shots but this should not interfere with or be confused with the full swing grip. Just develop a good pre-shot routine that includes taking the proper grip - for you. MattF, PlaidJacket, Rickp and 1 other 4 Quote Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixyurdivot Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 Agree that it isn't a one type fits all. That said, how many of you focus on trying to have more relaxed grip pressure? That is something I try and focus on and that helps my consistency. Rickp 1 Quote G410 Plus, 9 Degree Driver G400 SFT, 16 Degree 3w G400 SFT, 19 Degree 5w ZX5 Irons 4-AW Glide 2.0 56 Degree SW (removed from double secret probation ) ER5v Putter (Evnroll ER5v Official Review) AI-One Milled Seven T CH (Currently Under Product Test) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisag Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 1 hour ago, fixyurdivot said: Agree that it isn't a one type fits all. That said, how many of you focus on trying to have more relaxed grip pressure? That is something I try and focus on and that helps my consistency. ... A loser grip can make a huge difference! But the biggest fault I saw by far, was not holding the grip in their fingers but in their palms. Even many of those that told me they hold it in their fingers, actually held it too much in their palms. fixyurdivot, Rickp and tony@CIC 3 Quote Driver: Qi10 10.5* ... Ventus Red Velocore 5R Fairway: Aerojet 3/5 ... Kai'li Blue 60R Hybrids: 430 Hybrid 22*... Steelfiber 780Hy DHy #4 ... Diamana LTD 65r Irons: '23 T200 5-Pw ... Steelfiber i95r Wedges: Vokey 50*/54*/58* ... Steelfiber i95r Putter: Sport-60 33" Ball: Maxfli Maxfli Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixyurdivot Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 22 minutes ago, chisag said: ... A loser grip can make a huge difference! But the biggest fault I saw by far, was not holding the grip in their fingers but in their palms. Even many of those that told me they hold it in their fingers, actually held it too much in their palms. Yea, good point. I know as I get older, my fingers seem to get fatigued faster and I compensate with increased palm pressure. tony@CIC and Rickp 2 Quote G410 Plus, 9 Degree Driver G400 SFT, 16 Degree 3w G400 SFT, 19 Degree 5w ZX5 Irons 4-AW Glide 2.0 56 Degree SW (removed from double secret probation ) ER5v Putter (Evnroll ER5v Official Review) AI-One Milled Seven T CH (Currently Under Product Test) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RI_Redneck Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 I used to have a REALLY loose grip at address. But found something later in life that caused me to re-think it. It also has something to do with the fingers / palm argument. Before I start, I agree whole 100% that the grip is a very personal thing and everyone has to fined their own. That being said, here is my experience. I began playing at 10yrs and was taught the standard interlocking grip with Vs pointing at my right shoulder (righty). I was quite athletic and played baseball a lot. Needless to say I struggled with a slice for years. At 23 (1985), I got my first set of custom fitted irons (if you want to call them that) I got a grip lesson during and the fitter recommended I rotate my right hand more weak and focused on rolling my hands through impact. The guy was well recommended, so I took his advice. Now, this felt completely different to the swinging motion I used for years in baseball. However, I stuck with it. My consistent slice be an erratic anything from slice to hook since I had difficulty timing the rolling of my hands. Over time I got fairly good control and could keep the ball in play most of the time. Keep in mind I had a CHS in the mid 120's and hit the ball a pretty good distance. So OB was a common thing I had to deal with unless the course was wide open. I played with this setup until I got to the age of appox 38. At that point I had been watching PGA players for a long time and noticed that most had a stronger left hand than I did. I decided to change my grip. Being a father of 4 and not having a lot of spare cash, I obviously didn't take lessons. I spend a great deal of time at my cousins driving range working my grip stronger. Everything was way left because I was still rolling those hands through impact. I eventually realized that I needed to stop rolling my hands. After a couple of years re-training myself, I got it in pretty good control. But it seemed every time I wanted to really crank one, I would hook it off the planet. As is taught now, I would always take a really relaxed grip when going for extra distance. At that time, I gripped the club mostly in my fingers and after some research, figured out that if I squared the clubface at address with my grip loose, it would close several degrees when my grip tightened during the swing. I did some more research on grips and figured out I was too much in the fingers. My fingers were usually perpendicular to the shaft if I looked at them from below. I changed my grip to where they were more at a 45* angle and the hooking issue was greatly lessened. Adjusting the face alignment to be square when my grip tightened gave me perfect control. I also found during experimentation that it was possible to have my grip TOO LOOSE. I like to push the club back with my left hand to start the backswing and found I didn't have good control if my grip was too loose. I found I hit the ball best when I have relaxed arms and slight tension in the last 3 fingers of my left hand. I am playing the best golf of my life now and really wish I had known what to look for initially. It would have saved me a lot of frustration. BT BTW, when looking through some of the links above, I stumbled upon this - http://kelvinmiyahiragolf-articles.com/index.php/articles/articles-2/2015-articles/144-2015-instinct-golf This is literally exactly what I discovered over the years and how I found my grip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Micah T Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 On 12/13/2019 at 12:13 PM, tony@CIC said: I use to play with a neutral grip and then my instructor converted me to a strong grip. It played havoc with my game for about a month this past summer - but I'm glad I changed it. Definitely had positive results by the end of the season. My instructor did the same to me: I think his exact quote was, “ you have a scratch golfers swing and 25 handicaps grip.” ( I was a 15 at the time) so he drew arrows on all my gloves to help me see how to grip the club: I couldn’t shake the feeling that I was going to break my arm holding the club like that for about 2 months! Overall I think it took a season for my strong grip to feel “normal” weak grip: 15 handicap 7 iron carry distance: 160 yards strong grip; 7 handicap 7 iron carry distance: 185 yards tony@CIC 1 Quote Driver - Cobra LtDxLS 3 Wood - Ping g410 LST 2iron - Titleist U505 Irons - Ping i59 Wedges - Vokey Sm9 Putter - Mizuno Mcraft IV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlow206 Posted May 9, 2020 Share Posted May 9, 2020 I learned today that i have been fundamentally holding the club in my left hand incorrectly. No matter how many knuckles i saw, my grip was too strong or even stronger than too strong. Had a fundamental misunderstanding of hold it in the fingers. See below for what i had been doing. After correcting it, golf is becoming easier. Incorrect left hand below: MattF 1 Quote Follow my golf journey to break into the 80s Tester for the Titleist TSi Driver Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft Updated 07/15/2022 Driver: Rogue St Max LS - Autoflex Fairway Woods: Rogue Max St 3HL and 7 Wood Irons: JPX 921 Hot Metal 5 to AW - Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff parallel tip Wedges: Glide 4.0 54 and 58 Putter: PLD Custom Kushin 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlow206 Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 What I have found is that because I was putting my left hand on incorrectly, even when seeing two knuckles, my left wrist was super cupped. So then my wrist angle at the top would be cupped but with a closed clubface. This would cause a steep shaft in transition which started opening the face. With irons, my compensation would be to pull and swing way left. Sometimes I could manage to square the face but the trajectory was always super low. My miss though with irons would be the left pull or just taking the biggest divot you have ever seen. With a driver, it required so much compensation that I am not sure how i ever hit a decent shot. With the driver, I would end up swinging more on a rightward path but the cupped wrist would keep the face open and then I would usually close the face shut right before impact and get a snap hook of occasionally i would leave the face open and hit an OB push right. I am trying to understand what are the downfalls of a weak left hand? If I keep my left hand weak and my right hand neutral, my left wrist naturally bows at the top, i come down less steep, and my clubface is square at impact. Quote Follow my golf journey to break into the 80s Tester for the Titleist TSi Driver Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft Updated 07/15/2022 Driver: Rogue St Max LS - Autoflex Fairway Woods: Rogue Max St 3HL and 7 Wood Irons: JPX 921 Hot Metal 5 to AW - Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff parallel tip Wedges: Glide 4.0 54 and 58 Putter: PLD Custom Kushin 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiscipleofPenick Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 Neutral to slightly strong. like Harvey Penick says...if you have a bad grip you don’t want a good swing Another Penick fan!!Take Dead Aim Quote Take Dead Aim Driver: PXG 0211 10.5* Fairway: Titleist 917 F3 15* Hybrid: Adams Idea Pro Boxer Gold 18* Irons: MacGregor MT-86 Pro Wedges: Vokey 50/54/58 Putter: SeeMore X2 Costa del Mar Ball: Srixon Z-Star Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiscipleofPenick Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 I have a fairly Stronk grip. Hit draws all day and eliminate misses to one sideTake Dead Aim Quote Take Dead Aim Driver: PXG 0211 10.5* Fairway: Titleist 917 F3 15* Hybrid: Adams Idea Pro Boxer Gold 18* Irons: MacGregor MT-86 Pro Wedges: Vokey 50/54/58 Putter: SeeMore X2 Costa del Mar Ball: Srixon Z-Star Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRW Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 Slightly strong? 2 knuckles visible. Quote Ogio Woode 8 Hybrid Stand Bag PXG 0811 X Gen4 @ 6* - Fujikura Motore X F3 7X PXG 0211 @ 13.5* - Fujikura Motore X F1 8X PXG 0311 XP Gen3 3i-PW - PX LZ 6.5 PXG 0311 Forged 54/60 - PX LZ 6.5 Scotty Cameron Special Select Newport 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KillerGees Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 I'm sorting this out right now. I procured a new driver and irons which are the first new clubs I've purchased in 10 years. I've hacked around for many years without a lesson and have recently committed to allotting more time for the game including lessons. I previously had a stronger grip but decided to start at neutral and with the club properly settled into the fingers of my left (lead) hand. This resulted in an extraordinary display of dispersion from the left OB to the right OB with a few in between. I was shocked at the impact just a few small grip adjustments could have on my shot making ability. I'm on the front end of this and back on the simulator this week to try and sort it out. Thanks for the helpful information. sirchunksalot 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlow206 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 I am continuing to learn that there are nuances to the grip that I didn't even know about. The most recent nuance is long left thumb vs. short. I didn't even know this was a thing. I have always used a long left thumb and i have noticed that it tends to cause my left wrist to cup pretty much no matter what and overhinging of the wrists. I think the short left thumb will help, from dry swings, its getting me to a better position at the top. Quote Follow my golf journey to break into the 80s Tester for the Titleist TSi Driver Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft Updated 07/15/2022 Driver: Rogue St Max LS - Autoflex Fairway Woods: Rogue Max St 3HL and 7 Wood Irons: JPX 921 Hot Metal 5 to AW - Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff parallel tip Wedges: Glide 4.0 54 and 58 Putter: PLD Custom Kushin 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 I am continuing to learn that there are nuances to the grip that I didn't even know about. The most recent nuance is long left thumb vs. short. I didn't even know this was a thing. I have always used a long left thumb and i have noticed that it tends to cause my left wrist to cup pretty much no matter what and overhinging of the wrists. I think the short left thumb will help, from dry swings, its getting me to a better position at the top.Yes, there are lots of nuances in the entire swing. Wish I could find the video again, but it said that the long or short thumb isn’t relevant. Of course there are lots of opinions both ways Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: TM-180 Testing: Backups: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlow206 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 44 minutes ago, cnosil said: Yes, there are lots of nuances in the entire swing. Wish I could find the video again, but it said that the long or short thumb isn’t relevant. Of course there are lots of opinions both ways I do notice that a short thumb grip does physically reduce the range of motion of my wrist hinge, which prevents me from overhinging, which is an instructor-validated issue that i have cnosil 1 Quote Follow my golf journey to break into the 80s Tester for the Titleist TSi Driver Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft Updated 07/15/2022 Driver: Rogue St Max LS - Autoflex Fairway Woods: Rogue Max St 3HL and 7 Wood Irons: JPX 921 Hot Metal 5 to AW - Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff parallel tip Wedges: Glide 4.0 54 and 58 Putter: PLD Custom Kushin 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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