Dlow206 does away with double bogeys

[RickyBobby_PR]

14 minutes ago, dlow206 said:

@RickyBobby_PR - here is Kirk's top of backswing for reference. i tend to have too flat of a hip turn

Yeah when you look at his swing you can see what is pretty constant in all the good swings with some shoulder tips and left side bend and change in flexion of both left and right leg.

Speaking from experience of having a flat turn and/or no hip depth, it will make consistency harder and some days can be bad when timing is off

[dlow206]

13 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

Yeah when you look at his swing you can see what is pretty constant in all the good swings with some shoulder tips and left side bend and change in flexion of both left and right leg.

Speaking from experience of having a flat turn and/or no hip depth, it will make consistency harder and some days can be bad when timing is off

Thanks, definitely need to work on this, and thanks for the reminder. The feedback I had gotten from Monte a few months back on my one plane swing was 1) needing to get rid of the inside takeaway and 2) left knee needs to gain some flex in the backswing (which alludes to my shoulder and hip turn being too flat), and he had said to work on them one at a time, and i hadn't really focused much on #2, but its important.

Kirk tends not to give as much feedback on takeaway and backswing as long as the impact position looks good, but when my takeaway and backswing are off, i can at times come into impact ok and at times impact is terrible. So it makes sense why i have a lack of consistency. 

 

[RickyBobby_PR]

20 minutes ago, dlow206 said:

Thanks, definitely need to work on this, and thanks for the reminder. The feedback I had gotten from Monte a few months back on my one plane swing was 1) needing to get rid of the inside takeaway and 2) left knee needs to gain some flex in the backswing (which alludes to my shoulder and hip turn being too flat), and he had said to work on them one at a time, and i hadn't really focused much on #2, but its important.

Kirk tends not to give as much feedback on takeaway and backswing as long as the impact position looks good, but when my takeaway and backswing are off, i can at times come into impact ok and at times impact is terrible. So it makes sense why i have a lack of consistency. 

 

The flat turn is typically going to cause a steeping if the shaft in transition. Then it’s a matter of how well our body compensates for it. For me if I played three straight days the third day was going to be a journey around the course.  Too many experiences with that on golf trips or some 3 day events on base.

A couple drills to consider is the sam Snead one. Google/YouTube search by that. Basically set club on shoulder, turn then push arms away.  
 

Other is arms folder across chest. Can do with a a club across the chest too. Turn. The shoulders then do a side crunch. 

[dlow206]

11 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

The flat turn is typically going to cause a steeping if the shaft in transition. Then it’s a matter of how well our body compensates for it. For me if I played three straight days the third day was going to be a journey around the course.  Too many experiences with that on golf trips or some 3 day events on base.

A couple drills to consider is the sam Snead one. Google/YouTube search by that. Basically set club on shoulder, turn then push arms away.  
 

Other is arms folder across chest. Can do with a a club across the chest too. Turn. The shoulders then do a side crunch. 

Yep, have been trying those different drills/feels. It takes me a while to figure out what resonates in my mind that makes my body do what i intend it to do. I've tried thinking about the left knee flexing, but i do something wrong and get closer to the ball in the backswing. Tried the right hip feel that Monte talks about as well.

What is resonating with my mind/body so far for whatever reason is thinking about how the right pec moves. 

[Kenny B]

4 hours ago, dlow206 said:

For better or worse, it reduces (not eliminates) some of the other bad that happens with my current swing. 

 

Yeah, even less hip turn than I remember.  Kirk turns a lot more as evidenced by the left knee flexing.  Not sure what your max lower body rotation is, but you should be close to max by the time left arm parallel, then upper body rotation completes the motion.  

I would practice rotation with an alignment stick through front belt loops trying to get to 45º; another alignment stick or club at shoulder level to get to 90º.

[dlow206]

1 hour ago, Kenny B said:

Yeah, even less hip turn than I remember.  Kirk turns a lot more as evidenced by the left knee flexing.  Not sure what your max lower body rotation is, but you should be close to max by the time left arm parallel, then upper body rotation completes the motion.  

I would practice rotation with an alignment stick through front belt loops trying to get to 45º; another alignment stick or club at shoulder level to get to 90º.

Thanks. I don't have any flexibility issues, so thats not the problem. I think the problem is the flat hip turn gets me into a bad spot with the arms, so i started restricting the turn to try to get my arms in a less bad spot. I need to focus on what rickybobby was saying about the tilt. Things go really bad if i make a big but flat hip turn. 

[dlow206]

This was from just now. Intent was to try to have a steeper hip turn and allow the hips to turn

@Kenny B @RickyBobby_PR - thoughts?

[RickyBobby_PR]

1 hour ago, dlow206 said:

This was from just now. Intent was to try to have a steeper hip turn and allow the hips to turn

@Kenny B @RickyBobby_PR - thoughts?

There might be a little bit of tilt but it looks more so from the left hip coming forward and just bending the knee rather than the right hip going back and up along with having flexion in the spine.

compare the separation in his legs and how the left hip is tilted up and how much flexion he has in the left leg 

Link to a Bryson slo mow from dtl

 

[dlow206]

1 hour ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

There might be a little bit of tilt but it looks more so from the left hip coming forward and just bending the knee rather than the right hip going back and up along with having flexion in the spine.

compare the separation in his legs and how the left hip is tilted up and how much flexion he has in the left leg 

Link to a Bryson slo mow from dtl

 

Thanks, i need to go back and figure out how to make my body do what its supposed to do, its not listening yet 

[Kenny B]

2 minutes ago, dlow206 said:

Thanks, i need to go back and figure out how to make my body do what its supposed to do, its not listening yet 

Best of luck!!!!

Mine hasn't listened for 30 years!

[dlow206]

30 minutes ago, Kenny B said:

Best of luck!!!!

Mine hasn't listened for 30 years!

Can't figure out why it never wants to listen lol. I can do the movement with no club or with a club and no ball. Put the ball there and it wants to do something completely different. 

[RickyBobby_PR]

8 hours ago, dlow206 said:

Can't figure out why it never wants to listen lol. I can do the movement with no club or with a club and no ball. Put the ball there and it wants to do something completely different. 

I’m guessing that you don’t do a lot of slow motion swings and segmented swings.

 

[dlow206]

4 hours ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

I’m guessing that you don’t do a lot of slow motion swings and segmented swings.

 

Its not really that. It just takes some time for self-discovery. It wasn't until this morning that I figured out something. In my mind "rotate" meant the left hip and right hip rotate. So If I tell myself to "rotate", both hips rotate but I find the left leg doesn't gain much flex, it just kick inwards toward the trail leg, instead of the knee gaining flex and pointing more in the direction of the ball. 

Today i put myself into static positions and thought harder about what do i feel in my body. When in the proper static position at the top of the backswing, i feel like only the right hip is rotated and that the left hip has not rotated at all. While the left hip has in fact rotated, it just feels to me like it hasn't. 

It's similar to what Mike Malaska says in one of his videos about hip rotation. He says he doesn't feel like he rotates at all, he just feels like he pushes his trail hip back during the backswing. That's not exactly what I feel, but the point is more so that what you feel in the proper movement can be different than the way you interpret the word used to represent that movement. 

[dlow206]

Was working on swings again today. Still a lot of work to do, but I think its better than other recent swings. I sent this one into Monte for his feedback, i'm very much in the camp of backswing matters. I am not skilled enough to consistently be able to manipulate the club well from a bad backswing position. 

 

[Kenny B]

2 hours ago, dlow206 said:

Was working on swings again today. Still a lot of work to do, but I think its better than other recent swings. I sent this one into Monte for his feedback, i'm very much in the camp of backswing matters. I am not skilled enough to consistently be able to manipulate the club well from a bad backswing position. 

 

No one can!  That's why Monte says that the setup, backswing, and transition determines your ability to properly strike the ball.  Can't manipulate the club after that.

I'd be interested to hear what Monte has to say.  If you have his Efficient Swing series video, he has a very good backswing segment.

[dlow206]

On 12/3/2021 at 1:55 PM, Kenny B said:

No one can!  That's why Monte says that the setup, backswing, and transition determines your ability to properly strike the ball.  Can't manipulate the club after that.

I'd be interested to hear what Monte has to say.  If you have his Efficient Swing series video, he has a very good backswing segment.

Going to give the short explanation of the feedback Monte gave. He mentioned that how upright I was in the one plane swing was making it harder for me to do what needs to happen in a good golf swing. He said i would need more hip bend at setup and therefore need to stand farther from the ball. Also, besides the posture, my arms were getting behind in transition and the downswing, which is a problem that i have always had. He also mentioned he thinks that I would be able to make more longer term progress if I had a more traditional posture and traditional hand height (aka two plane swing). 

I have made the decision going forward to go back to a two plane swing. I know that i have been flippy floppy with swing systems, instructors, etc., and that has probably hurt my game (or slowed my progress), but I believe this is the right decision. Instead of focusing on what I have done in the past, going to take the learnings that i have had and focus on making progress going forward.

Working on speeding up the arms. 

 

[RollingGreens]

13 minutes ago, dlow206 said:

Going to give the short explanation of the feedback Monte gave. He mentioned that how upright I was in the one plane swing was making it harder for me to do what needs to happen in a good golf swing. He said i would need more hip bend at setup and therefore need to stand farther from the ball. Also, besides the posture, my arms were getting behind in transition and the downswing, which is a problem that i have always had. He also mentioned he thinks that I would be able to make more longer term progress if I had a more traditional posture and traditional hand height (aka two plane swing). 

I have made the decision going forward to go back to a two plane swing. I know that i have been flippy floppy with swing systems, instructors, etc., and that has probably hurt my game (or slowed my progress), but I believe this is the right decision. Instead of focusing on what I have done in the past, going to take the learnings that i have had and focus on making progress going forward.

Working on speeding up the arms. 

 

that’s a swing that should be able to play and score well on the course!

[Kenny B]

4 hours ago, dlow206 said:

Going to give the short explanation of the feedback Monte gave. He mentioned that how upright I was in the one plane swing was making it harder for me to do what needs to happen in a good golf swing. He said i would need more hip bend at setup and therefore need to stand farther from the ball. Also, besides the posture, my arms were getting behind in transition and the downswing, which is a problem that i have always had. He also mentioned he thinks that I would be able to make more longer term progress if I had a more traditional posture and traditional hand height (aka two plane swing). 

I have made the decision going forward to go back to a two plane swing. I know that i have been flippy floppy with swing systems, instructors, etc., and that has probably hurt my game (or slowed my progress), but I believe this is the right decision. Instead of focusing on what I have done in the past, going to take the learnings that i have had and focus on making progress going forward.

Working on speeding up the arms. 

 

Not surprised.  When I saw Monte for the first time, I had already ditched the SPS, but I had some "leftovers".  He doesn't care for it.  It had its purpose for me; basically made playing golf fun without the big slice.  However, I did not have much speed... still don't, but I think I'm better off now than where I was 6 years ago.  

Swing looks good except for the "Spieth" chicken wing, but he plays it pretty well!!    Monte will fix that; have fun in SoCal.  Be sure to write up your daily lessons.  Should be a good read.

[dlow206]

4 minutes ago, Kenny B said:

Not surprised.  When I saw Monte for the first time, I had already ditched the SPS, but I had some "leftovers".  He doesn't care for it.  It had its purpose for me; basically made playing golf fun without the big slice.  However, I did not have much speed... still don't, but I think I'm better off now than where I was 6 years ago.  

Swing looks good except for the "Spieth" chicken wing, but he plays it pretty well!!    Monte will fix that; have fun in SoCal.  Be sure to write up your daily lessons.  Should be a good read.

Yeah, don't know why I have that chicken wing, but I'm going to focus the arms trailing behind issue for now. You know this, but Monte doesn't want people working on more than 1 or 2 items at a time (usually if he gives me 2, he says to only work on one at a time). 

[Kenny B]

12 minutes ago, dlow206 said:

Yeah, don't know why I have that chicken wing, but I'm going to focus the arms trailing behind issue for now. You know this, but Monte doesn't want people working on more than 1 or 2 items at a time (usually if he gives me 2, he says to only work on one at a time). 

Yeah... I'm still working on one he gave me 2 years ago!!  I'm better, but I know he will still want me to rotate more in the backswing.  It's tough for this old body.  I can do it just fine with a weighted club, but put a ball down that I have to hit and I stop rotating!!    

After I get back from Palm Springs at the end of January, I'm signing up for online lessons.  I'd do it now, but I don't want to screw up my golf vacation.