Dlow206 does away with double bogeys

[dlow206]

If anyone is wondering what I am talking about when I am talking about the "recentering" move, this is it:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CW5-WnWpvPV/

[stephenmatt]

A good feel for you is almost like your tailbone is moving toward the target. That really helped me with what I was supposed to be feeling when I was learning to get my weight to my lead side consistently.

[sirchunksalot]

Keep up the good work @dlow206! It sounds like your lesson with Monte went extremely well. How was your short game today on the par 3 course?  I know its way too early to tell, just wondering if you put some of the advice you got to the test today. 

[dlow206]

47 minutes ago, sirchunksalot said:

Keep up the good work @dlow206! It sounds like your lesson with Monte went extremely well. How was your short game today on the par 3 course?  I know its way too early to tell, just wondering if you put some of the advice you got to the test today. 

The short game was headed in the right direction: no bladed balls, no fat shots, no full swings to hit a short distance. With the improved mechanics, besides getting used to the mechanics, I am also getting used to the distance. I found that i left some pitch shots a little shorter than desired. Still made it on the green but left myself with longer putts than I would like. 

[Kenny B]

3 hours ago, dlow206 said:

If anyone is wondering what I am talking about when I am talking about the "recentering" move, this is it:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CW5-WnWpvPV/

Yep!  Monte is a good Follow on Instagram.  It's the only social media I use (except MGS), and I only use it to follow Monte.

[dlow206]

Been working on the recentering movement without a club and thinking about what thought makes my body do what its supposed to do. Currently, its thinking about sitting on a chair (more like a stool, because its not down very much). I am probably providing a very bad explanation, but its something from Monte's Efficient Swing. In my lesson with Monte, he said that I will need to figure out what thought or feel will make my body do what we want it to do and gave me a couple of ideas.

I've also been working on understanding where this recentering move can go wrong. One is not getting into the right side to start the swing and go directly to the left, which is a reverse pivot. The second is doing the recentering move but doing it wrong and getting closer to the ball. The third is just not doing it right at all and staying on the right side too long. 

 

[Goober]

I had a chance to delve into this thread during my holiday break. Applaud you for the work you’ve done. But I would avoid the look of the swing. And focus more on the ball flight results. Many of the instructors you posted on here are very “look” oriented. Versus ball flight results and score. Which I think is such BS. If this is what golf is going to. Than you can count me out . Wake up man 

Edited December 26, 2021 by Goober

[Goober]

On 12/23/2021 at 8:20 PM, Kenny B said:

Yep!  Monte is a good Follow on Instagram.  It's the only social media I use (except MGS), and I only use it to follow Monte.

It looks like this instructor is rehashing most of his info from stack and tilt. Their swinging in a circle ideas they had. Almost like his info is 12 years too late. And most of his stuff is just common sense info you can figure out on your own 

Edited December 26, 2021 by Goober

[pakman92]

On 12/23/2021 at 5:38 PM, dlow206 said:

If anyone is wondering what I am talking about when I am talking about the "recentering" move, this is it:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CW5-WnWpvPV/

@dlow206 Thanks for the link.  I think this will be a great tip for me.  Almost exactly what I'm working on, it's good to have a visual and an explanation.  Good luck!

[RickyBobby_PR]

1 hour ago, Goober said:

It looks like this instructor is rehashing most of his info from stack and tilt. Their swinging in a circle ideas they had. Almost like his info is 12 years too late. And most of his stuff is just common sense info you can figure out on your own 

The hottest take on the internet I’ve seen on a long time. Monte is one of if not the top instructors out there and one who has some extensive experience playing at the highest levels along with being a long drive champion. 

curious what part of Monte’s teaching is stack n tilt?

also stack n tilt is still a very effective method for playing golf. Not sure why you would think that is  too late. There’s a lot of ways to skin a cat

One of the best things about monte is his ability to easily explain concepts and drills to accomplish the feels and movements in the swing.

Based on the fact the majority of golfers don’t break 100 there’s a lot of stuff that people can’t figure out on their own.

1 hour ago, Goober said:

I had a chance to delve into this thread during my holiday break. Applaud you for the work you’ve done. But I would avoid the look of the swing. And focus more on the ball flight results. Many of the instructors you posted on here are very “look” oriented. Versus ball flight results and score. Which I think is such BS. If this is what golf is going to. Than you can count me out . Wake up man 

which instructors are look oriented? Monte for sure isn’t and neither is Jake. 

[Goober]

5 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

The hottest take on the internet I’ve seen on a long time. Monte is one of if not the top instructors out there and one who has some extensive experience playing at the highest levels along with being a long drive champion. 
 

One of the best things about monte is his ability to easily explain concepts and drills to accomplish the feels and movements in the swing.

Based on the fact the majority of golfers don’t break 100 there’s a lot of stuff that people can’t figure out on their own.

which instructors are look oriented? Monte for sure isn’t and neither is Jake. 

Sounds like an endless rabbit hole to me. I’m more impressed by the outcome of a swing. Versus the minute tasks getting there. I’m just not sure how many can even function on a golf course with these many thoughts in their heads. 
 

Here is a question for you. Say you joined up with a scratch golfer that had the most unique swing you’ve ever noticed. And when you filmed his swing it would be exact opposite of what these “in the know” instructors are promoting. What would you tell him to do ? And would it possibly change your thinking? Knowing a less than ideal swing works. Because believe me, you can go to any local county, or state events and see the oddest swings shooting the lowest scores day after day 

[RickyBobby_PR]

31 minutes ago, Goober said:

Sounds like an endless rabbit hole to me. I’m more impressed by the outcome of a swing. Versus the minute tasks getting there. I’m just not sure how many can even function on a golf course with these many thoughts in their heads. 
 

Here is a question for you. Say you joined up with a scratch golfer that had the most unique swing you’ve ever noticed. And when you filmed his swing it would be exact opposite of what these “in the know” instructors are promoting. What would you tell him to do ? And would it possibly change your thinking? Knowing a less than ideal swing works. Because believe me, you can go to any local county, or state events and see the oddest swings shooting the lowest scores day after day 

I wouldn’t tell him anything because I don’t give advice to people I meet on the course. Every swing is unique and has each person has their own compensations for what they do in a swing. 

what Monte and every good coach does is teach the movements to make

the swing as efficient as possible. If you look at what the best golfers do they all have lots of similarities at impact. 
 

But curious if you will answer any of the questions I posed in my reply to you.

 

[Goober]

1 minute ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

I wouldn’t tell him anything because I don’t give advice to people I meet on the course. Every swing is unique and has each person has their own compensations for what they do in a swing. 

what Monte and every good coach does is teach the movements to make

the swing as efficient as possible. If you look at what the best golfers do they all have lots of similarities at impact. 
 

But curious if you will answer any of the questions I posed in my reply to you.

 

All these online instructors seem to be enthralled with stop motion positions. Even the jake and montel fellow. Again, I wasn’t taught that way. Or maybe I’m just out of the know. I just find it like an endless search for perfection. When golf isn’t that way. It’s a game of dealing with your misses and scoring your best with what you have. 
 

all the best in that pursuit. I’m so thankful I never went down your path. Don’t think I would have the persistence for that 

[RickyBobby_PR]

6 minutes ago, Goober said:

All these online instructors seem to be enthralled with stop motion positions. Even the jake and montel fellow. Again, I wasn’t taught that way. Or maybe I’m just out of the know. I just find it like an endless search for perfection. When golf isn’t that way. It’s a game of dealing with your misses and scoring your best with what you have. 
 

all the best in that pursuit. I’m so thankful I never went down your path. Don’t think I would have the persistence for that 

Monte and Jake are both far from online instructors. They just happen to have expanded their business to online like many instructors today. It expands their ability to grow their business and help golfers who don’t have access for them.

it’s apparent you haven’t dug into withers teachings because neither teach positions. They teach movements and how each aspect of the body is supposed to move. Neither teach the early 2000s swing.

You make claims about what they do or that one is 12 years too late yet he teaches golfers to move in similar patterns to what the best do. He teaches in manner to break down the swing from impact backwards which is usually opposite of what most instructors teach. While he may have some videos that focus on positions it’s to teach the body the motor patterns needed to get to impact in the proper position.

Monte is one of the few that actually teach more online with the old school swings than most instructors out there. 
 

Again there’s lots of ways to skin a cat and each person learns differently. 

 

[cnosil]

4 hours ago, Goober said:

All these online instructors seem to be enthralled with stop motion positions. Even the jake and montel fellow. Again, I wasn’t taught that way. Or maybe I’m just out of the know. I just find it like an endless search for perfection. When golf isn’t that way. It’s a game of dealing with your misses and scoring your best with what you have. 
 

all the best in that pursuit. I’m so thankful I never went down your path. Don’t think I would have the persistence for that 

just because you weren't taught that way doesn't make it right or wrong since people learn differently and need different pieces of information.    I guess in your mind there are only two positions: setup and impact and the player is free to move the club in any manner between those to spots and if the ball doesn't do what you want then keep trying?

 

 

[Stuka44]

On 12/26/2021 at 1:47 PM, RickyBobby_PR said:

Again there’s lots of ways to skin a cat and each person learns differently. 

  I'm not speaking for anyone.    But what I think Goober was getting at is that you are absolutely right there are lots of ways to skin a cat, that is the gift, and the curse of the golf swing, all rolled into one. A person can spend a lifetime reading books, manuals, and watching videos, or taking lessons  about ways to skin a cat (or swing a golf club). But eventually you have to pick one, and stick the knife in so to speak.  You will eventually become proficient at skinning the cat your way.  There will always be room to improve your method(swing), but you must, to a great extent, first and foremost settle on a method or swing first.

  Maybe an extreme example, but I once played with a guy who every really  bad swing(and there was normall only one or two a round), or ball that came up short , resulted in a perpetual, "narrated aloud"  slow motion, continuous, for the rest of the round, stage by stage, takeaway, transition, downswing, and follow through played out in agonizing  2 foot practice swing segments.  He just couldn't accept as I tried to tell him, that you "just hit that(or a couple of shots)  fat, because we dont practice hitting 300 balls a week, and equally as debilitating to his game was when the chosen club came up short he was convinced it was  because of a flaw in his swing , ( and again slow motion recreation to "figure it out), and not because  he needed to hit a 6 iron like I did.  He was convinced , or had been convinced by someone or something else, of "should" results. Oh and just for clarification all of his thoughts about how his swing had let him down didn't result in better play the rest of the round.  

This is one example of the "should be"  "rabbit hole" that I think Goober was referring to, and it is very real.

At a certain level of ability practicing "what is", is going to be more beneficial, than, searching for, or paying to find what "should be".  Make no mistake there will always be instructors willing to take your money to help you find, what you or the instuctor thinks should be.

I'm not saying that dlow is headed this way, and I cautioned him similarly earlier in this thread, but looking for what things "should" be is dangerous in this game.

 

 

 

 

Edited December 27, 2021 by stuka44
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[cnosil]

19 minutes ago, stuka44 said:

 

This is the  "should be"  "rabbit hole" that I think Goober was referring to, and it is very real.

 

I agree with what you said in your post.   However;  reading Goober's posts he things everyone is trying to make their swing look pretty because instructors talk about positions.  He mentioned a few instructors that have successfully helped people on this forum hit the ball straighter, farther, and lowered their scores which as he has stated the only measurement of instruction.    The rabbit hole is the player that keeps trying every available tip to try and improve their game.  Youtube is criticized because it is full of tips that don't work or have poor instructors.  The tips work and the instructors are good,  but as I said people go down the rabbit hole trying everything to fix their swing even tips that don't apply.  

[RickyBobby_PR]

1 hour ago, stuka44 said:

  I'm not speaking for anyone.    But what I think Goober was getting at is that you are absolutely right there are lots of ways to skin a cat, that is the gift, and the curse of the golf swing, all rolled into one. A person can spend a lifetime reading books, manuals, and watching videos, or taking lessons  about ways to skin a cat (or swing a golf club). But eventually you have to pick one, and stick the knife in so to speak.  You will eventually become proficient at skinning the cat your way.  There will always be room to improve your method(swing), but you must, to a great extent, first and foremost settle on a method or swing first.

  Maybe an extreme example, but I once played with a guy who every really  bad swing(and there was normall only one or two a round), or ball that came up short , resulted in a perpetual, "narrated aloud"  slow motion, continuous, for the rest of the round, stage by stage, takeaway, transition, downswing, and follow through played out in agonizing  2 foot practice swing segments.  He just couldn't accept as I tried to tell him, that you "just hit that(or a couple of shots)  fat, because we dont practice hitting 300 balls a week, and equally as debilitating to his game was when the chosen club came up short he was convinced it was  because of a flaw in his swing , ( and again slow motion recreation to "figure it out), and not because  he needed to hit a 6 iron like I did.  He was convinced , or had been convinced by someone or something else, of "should" results. Oh and just for clarification all of his thoughts about how his swing had let him down didn't result in better play the rest of the round.  

This is one example of the "should be"  "rabbit hole" that I think Goober was referring to, and it is very real.

At a certain level of ability practicing "what is", is going to be more beneficial, than, searching for, or paying to find what "should be".  Make no mistake there will always be instructors willing to take your money to help you find, what you or the instuctor thinks should be.

I'm not saying that dlow is headed this way, and I cautioned him similarly earlier in this thread, but looking for what things "should" be is dangerous in this game.

 

 

 

 

He pointed the instructors that dlow has used were focused on look, that they were teaching outdated methods and that Monte was a stack and tilt guy.

None of what he pointed out was true and when asked for examples of why he thought that he could loot them out. He also called them online instructors which yes they offer that service but they are far from just some random online pro and that Monte is a well accomplished golfer and teacher.

So yeah probably best not to speak for anyone.

And to your point about having to pick one at some point, dlow has admitted that he’s been all over the place with bouncing between instructors and swing thoughts and is back to working with Monte and planning to stick with it, so the defense of what he was saying has already been hashed out by dlow

[Stuka44]

On 12/24/2021 at 7:17 PM, dlow206 said:

I've also been working on understanding where this recentering move can go wrong. One is not getting into the right side to start the swing and go directly to the left, which is a reverse pivot. The second is doing the recentering move but doing it wrong and getting closer to the ball. The third is just not doing it right at all and staying on the right side too long.

dlow after some hope and comments I left you at around page 24, I have revisited your post, and commented just prior, but having reviewed most of this entire thread again, I feel I must be honest with you, and I expect most will crush me for saying this. 

You are rapidly approaching the point of being unable to believe there can be any real improvement in your game without improvement in your swing, and that you must do one, in order to achieve the other. This is just not true.  Many times people have indicated that your swing looks good, but you persisted in very shortly afterwards  mentioning swing plane, and other technical things, that you changed to make your swing "better".  I have watched  all of your swing video's, and in all the ball gets off the ground and would be going towards the green. Your swing looks every bit as good, if not better than mine would on video, many people have said the same thing.  

You must at some point "own" the swing you have and not provide yourself with the built in excuse, for not improving of, I'm still trying to "find my swing".  You can't repaint or customize a rental car, if you do you will be in trouble. The golf swing is no different  you have to first and foremost take ownership of one, before you can customize it, improve it, and paint flames on it.   

And from what I have read you have done more than enough research, and lessons to have been able to pick a swing and go with it, and claim.  I'm fearful that all of the swing thoughts and terms, you reference, and the seeking  of information about the "golf swing", and how to make it better, and what it "should be", and look like,  has unknowingly, and insidiously  become a crutch, and has eroded your ability to take the responsibility  on yourself. To make it no longer about needing to learn this move or that move, or takeaway thought, or "recentering move"(I have no idea what that means), before you can improve.  And be willing to blame dlow206, because he doesn't practice his swing, and his technique enough, or has poor course strategy, or makes poor club selections.  None of these things require a "swing adjustment" or a lesson to improve.

You need to get out of your own head to a great extent, and it is absolutely necessary to get all those other people out of your head,  for a good long while until the information overload has subsided.

This is just my opinion, and as  always I truly wish you the best of luck!!

 

   

[cnosil]

4 hours ago, stuka44 said:

  I have watched  all of your swing video's, and in all the ball gets off the ground and would be going towards the green.

I get your point,  but let me ask a question.  Dlow posts a single swing that shows a ball hitting a net.   How do you know where that ball goes?  If some of the balls slice way right, some hook way left, and some go relatively straight,  should he look to instruction to fix his swing or should he just own what he has and accept the fact that the ball gets off the ground and goes towards the green?  

I think Derrick has also acknowledged that he has switched instructors and swing types and needs to lock in on a single approach.  The reason for the changes was largely to find an instructor that he communicated well with and find a swing type that he could own.  

I'll reference myself as an example.   My scoring range this year has been 75-98; my swing looks good to the average eye; I strike the ball off the toe and can hit the ball fat, straight, or with a large hook.   when I practice I tend to hit the ball off the heel.  I was on a GC quad and my strikes were off the heel.  I even got to the point that my entire club was completely inside the ball and I was still striking it off the heel.   Should I pursue instruction and why am I different than dlow?

Note:  not "crushing you",  just trying to understand when you things changes and instruction are appropriate.