Dlow206 does away with double bogeys

[Vegan_Golfer_PNW]

Just now, dlow206 said:

That 260 carry shot doesn't exist in my repertoire  

get it there. lol  

[dlow206]

5 minutes ago, Vegan_Golfer_PNW said:

get it there. lol  

If i can obtain the swingspeed for 260+ carry, scores are going to go down.

unfortunately gotta get to 110 plus swingspeed to get there. 

[Vegan_Golfer_PNW]

6 minutes ago, dlow206 said:

If i can obtain the swingspeed for 260+ carry, scores are going to go down.

unfortunately gotta get to 110 plus swingspeed to get there. 

you can carry 260 if your AOA is positive and swing speed is around 105. 

 

My speed with a ball is roughly 106-108 and i see carry over 260 regularly. 110+ gets you closer to 275-280

[Grasmere5]

14 hours ago, Vegan_Golfer_PNW said:

get it there. lol  

But then he has to get it on the green from ‘wherever’ the drive finishes and by trying to clear the bunker it actually brings the bunker ‘into’ play. Plus the further the wider so more likely to be rough either side!

My suggestion, and it’s ‘not’ a negative one but a course management one, would be to play to definitely  be short of the bunker, then depending on lie, play to green centre or short of ditch, pitch to pin and single putt

[Shapotomous]

The other thing to look at is this is a par 5 and even if the drive clears the bunker the 2nd shot to the green is over 200 yards all carry to clear a creek and miss bunkers on both sides by the look of the overhead pic.  Since we are looking to take doubles off the card, using 3w off the tee and laying up with a 2nd shot to about 110 is how I would play it.

 

[Kenny B]

19 hours ago, dlow206 said:

That 260 carry shot doesn't exist in my repertoire  

He's right!  I've played with Derrick!  He's longer than me... but that's not saying much!  

I'm with @Shapotomous on strategy... except I'm hitting driver at the bunker!

[dlow206]

4 hours ago, Shapotomous said:

The other thing to look at is this is a par 5 and even if the drive clears the bunker the 2nd shot to the green is over 200 yards all carry to clear a creek and miss bunkers on both sides by the look of the overhead pic.  Since we are looking to take doubles off the card, using 3w off the tee and laying up with a 2nd shot to about 110 is how I would play it.

 

That is where my head is at. 

What's also not reflected well in the overhead view is the topography of the area around the green. Front and left side of the green is hilly. Too long is OB. I don't really see a scenario where I should ever go for it in 2. 

[cnosil]

22 minutes ago, dlow206 said:

That is where my head is at. 

What's also not reflected well in the overhead view is the topography of the area around the green. Front and left side of the green is hilly. Too long is OB. I don't really see a scenario where I should ever go for it in 2. 

With your desire to avoid fairway bunkers ; since they are effectively a penalty shot for you, and your lack of confidence in going for the green on your second shot your decision to play less club off the tee probably isn’t a bad one.   I don’t know the distance of the hole so,I don’t know what you second shot distance is.  I’m assuming it is a par 4 on the card so you should probably play as a par 5

[Shapotomous]

59 minutes ago, dlow206 said:

That is where my head is at. 

What's also not reflected well in the overhead view is the topography of the area around the green. Front and left side of the green is hilly. Too long is OB. I don't really see a scenario where I should ever go for it in 2. 

I dont think you ever need to go for it.  There is a similar par 5 at our league course where i lay up between 90 and 110 all the time instead if trying to thread the needle with a 225 shot to the green.  I have birdied that hole a lot more times than bogey with that strategy.

Now during a scramble its a whole nuther story!!!  . My tee shot is an attempted 275 high fade over 60' trees dropping it in the fairway softly so it doesnt roll through into the trees on the far side.  Usually that fails.

[dlow206]

49 minutes ago, cnosil said:

With your desire to avoid fairway bunkers ; since they are effectively a penalty shot for you, and your lack of confidence in going for the green on your second shot your decision to play less club off the tee probably isn’t a bad one.   I don’t know the distance of the hole so,I don’t know what you second shot distance is.  I’m assuming it is a par 4 on the card so you should probably play as a par 5

its a par 5

[BMart519]

23 hours ago, dlow206 said:

This is the only additional hole i am considering not hitting driver off the tee. If i hit 3 wood, i can aim at the bunker on the left side, but my 3 wood doesn't go far enough to ever make it to that bunker. This also reduces the risk of hitting it in the trees on the right. The trees on the right is not on flat land, so a punch out is not an easy shot. There are also red stakes on that side if you hit it deep into the trees.

 

Pretty easy decision based on this hole and the tee shot considerations you laid out:
- right miss is the worse side, which is the problem with your Driver
- 200+ yard forced carry to green protected by sand (problem area) needs to be successful 80-90% to make sense long term if you are losing 1 shot in the water and close to 1 shot in the bunker. Not a good choice for 15+ index 
- the commitment to hitting less than driver hard with the whole fairway will produce better results vs a tentative driver swing into a pinching hazard 

Driver is my fade club, next club down is pulls or draws. Which side the big trouble is on is a major consideration on which club I pull along with fairway bunkers. I use Decade principals but it's not as simple as 60-70 yard between "hazards". Especially on tree lined courses where you are punching out from the trees most times. 

Practice some 60-100 wedges and you might get the occasional birdie. Par on the most difficult hole on the course is basically a birdie for any handicap golfer. Shot Scope shows your scoring average by club which can also inform these decisions, not sure what the other trackers do. 

[dlow206]

23 minutes ago, BMart519 said:

Pretty easy decision based on this hole and the tee shot considerations you laid out:
- right miss is the worse side, which is the problem with your Driver
- 200+ yard forced carry to green protected by sand (problem area) needs to be successful 80-90% to make sense long term if you are losing 1 shot in the water and close to 1 shot in the bunker. Not a good choice for 15+ index 
- the commitment to hitting less than driver hard with the whole fairway will produce better results vs a tentative driver swing into a pinching hazard 

Driver is my fade club, next club down is pulls or draws. Which side the big trouble is on is a major consideration on which club I pull along with fairway bunkers. I use Decade principals but it's not as simple as 60-70 yard between "hazards". Especially on tree lined courses where you are punching out from the trees most times. 

Practice some 60-100 wedges and you might get the occasional birdie. Par on the most difficult hole on the course is basically a birdie for any handicap golfer. Shot Scope shows your scoring average by club which can also inform these decisions, not sure what the other trackers do. 

Makes sense.

And for clarification (but doesn't change my strategy for the hole), i hit from greenside bunkers fine, its fairway bunkers that cause me problems. 

[Shapotomous]

1 hour ago, dlow206 said:

its a par 5

And it's the #1 handicap hole.

[BMart519]

19 hours ago, dlow206 said:

Makes sense.

And for clarification (but doesn't change my strategy for the hole), i hit from greenside bunkers fine, its fairway bunkers that cause me problems. 

What's your up and down percentage from greenside bunkers compared to your normal up and down percentage?