Dlow206 does away with double bogeys

[dlow206]

4 minutes ago, ejgaudette said:

I also have this issue, when I am struggling with this I will stand behind the ball align the club to my target and then take my positioning from there. It is one of those things that is frustrating when you realize it given it takes no real skill to do it and can mess up a really well struck shot.

On all iron shots, I stand behind the ball and point the towards the line I want to hit the ball on and then keep the club like that and then line up. If i try to line up without that, i don't trust my sense of direction at all.

[Golfspy_CG2]

What most are having issues with is referred to paralax effect.  There are several good videos on it on YouTube. But here is the shortest. 
 

https://www.pgadigitalgolfacademy.com/video/how-to-line-up-a-golf-shot-parallax-016872/

 

[ejgaudette]

5 minutes ago, dlow206 said:

On all iron shots, I stand behind the ball and point the towards the line I want to hit the ball on and then keep the club like that and then line up. If i try to line up without that, i don't trust my sense of direction at all.

Yes exactly that, otherwise I can get way off

[sirchunksalot]

Alignment is one of the problems I deal with, too. I've been making use of alignment sticks recently and find when I'm lined up it feels like I'm aiming too far right. My big miss is a pull to the left with the irons and wedges.  My process now is to pick an intermediate target about a foot or two in front of the ball, aim to that, then imagine a parallel line to that to place my feet. It doesn't feel right, but I've got to learn to trust the process. 

[dlow206]

22 minutes ago, sirchunksalot said:

Alignment is one of the problems I deal with, too. I've been making use of alignment sticks recently and find when I'm lined up it feels like I'm aiming too far right. My big miss is a pull to the left with the irons and wedges.  My process now is to pick an intermediate target about a foot or two in front of the ball, aim to that, then imagine a parallel line to that to place my feet. It doesn't feel right, but I've got to learn to trust the process. 

Makes sense. I think even when i used alignment sticks and had my feet aligned, my shoulders were not aligned with my feet, does that make sense?

[sirchunksalot]

5 minutes ago, dlow206 said:

Makes sense. I think even when i used alignment sticks and had my feet aligned, my shoulders were not aligned with my feet, does that make sense?

It does, I think I've always had a problem with my shoulders aiming right of the target. It seems like I want to open up my upper body in order to help with the follow through. 

 

[edingc]

On 10/31/2020 at 1:14 PM, dlow206 said:

After that came the life changing conclusion. He said that my body is aimed way right of the target. He said that the balls that I am hitting right are basically go straight where my body is lined up. He then put an alignment stick down and when I looked at the alignment stick, i was like wow, that looks so far left of the target, but he said it is lined up towards the target and to trust it. After that, I started to hit my irons much more online towards the target.

I have the same issue, especially with the driver. What feels way left of target is actually on target or even still a bit right. I've really had to be more aware of this when setting up my shots. 

Sounds like a great lesson!

[RickyBobby_PR]

19 hours ago, dlow206 said:

Makes sense. I think even when i used alignment sticks and had my feet aligned, my shoulders were not aligned with my feet, does that make sense?

Try using the alignment stick on the heels instead of the toes. People splay their feet and it can throw off alignment. Also use an alignment stick across the hips and the shoulders they should be parallel 

[dlow206]

A positive benefit of having the opportunity to review the new TSi 2 driver besides the obvious is that I am recording videos of my swing. The bad thing is the videos show that the things I was working on in lessons a long time back have gone away and I more or less have reverted to a steep, over the top swing. Going to evaluate whether I want to do in-person lessons or do online lessons.

I need to find whatever it was that Monte had me do during my in-person lesson with him, because it made a dramatic immediate impact that is obviously now gone. I remember what he had mentioned, but I just can't get the feel back without being in-person (and I don't live in the same state as Monte).

[dlow206]

I don't feel good about uploading the swing, but will do so, need something to hold myself accountable

Here's the bad iron swing. The turf maintenance folks probably hate me because my swing destroys the turf.

 

[Kenny B]

15 minutes ago, dlow206 said:

A positive benefit of having the opportunity to review the new TSi 2 driver besides the obvious is that I am recording videos of my swing. The bad thing is the videos show that the things I was working on in lessons a long time back have gone away and I more or less have reverted to a steep, over the top swing. Going to evaluate whether I want to do in-person lessons or do online lessons.

I need to find whatever it was that Monte had me do during my in-person lesson with him, because it made a dramatic immediate impact that is obviously now gone. I remember what he had mentioned, but I just can't get the feel back without being in-person (and I don't live in the same state as Monte).

Check out Monte's new Improvement Plan...

https://rebelliongolf.com/improvement-plan/

The best time to get better and groove your best swing is now through the winter months.  Weather takes out the distraction of playing golf so you can focus on fixing issues.  If you play, you will revert to your old swing because you want to score the best, and the swing you need to work on doesn't feel comfortable yet.  Spend the time.  It will be worth it in the spring.

[edingc]

20 minutes ago, dlow206 said:

I don't feel good about uploading the swing, but will do so, need something to hold myself accountable

Here's the bad iron swing. The turf maintenance folks probably hate me because my swing destroys the turf.

 

Did you ever end up getting another PlaneMate (or using the one you have)?

[dlow206]

14 minutes ago, Kenny B said:

Check out Monte's new Improvement Plan...

https://rebelliongolf.com/improvement-plan/

The best time to get better and groove your best swing is now through the winter months.  Weather takes out the distraction of playing golf so you can focus on fixing issues.  If you play, you will revert to your old swing because you want to score the best, and the swing you need to work on doesn't feel comfortable yet.  Spend the time.  It will be worth it in the spring.

I did try Monte's improvement plan and it was okay, but it worked much better working with him in-person, at least for me.

I am going to try an online lesson with Chris Ryan. I really like how Chris explains things in his Youtube videos, but need some focused help based on his diagnosis rather than my trying to self-diagnose.

1 minute ago, edingc said:

Did you ever end up getting another PlaneMate (or using the one you have)?

I do have a second Planemate, sitting in the box unused lol.

[BMart519]

Do you use Arccos or any other system to track stats? 

[dlow206]

2 hours ago, BMart519 said:

Do you use Arccos or any other system to track stats? 

I have a Shotscope but haven't been using it religiously for stat tracking. Planning to do a better job of that. 

[dlow206]

Made some small improvements today to my swing and it helped my ball flight on the range. I know its going to take a lot to totally revamp my swing, so trying to make some incremental improvements that I can bring to the course. Today's focus was trying to keep the flying right elbow from flying. It definitely helped reduce the severity of my misses with driver and less fat shots with irons. 

Keeping my right elbow from flying is actually not too hard of a change for me to make, i just have to focus on it or else it sneaks its way back in slowly and then gets worse.

[dlow206]

One other thing that I have changed between many times in the last year has been style of grip. I started with interlock and then switched to overlap at times and 10 finger at times.

I have most recently been using overlap, but i realized based on the video that my grip has become way more strong than I intended. I know overlap doesn't equal strong grip and they are not necessarily related at all, but for me personally, having small hands, my hands tend to gravitate towards strong when i do overlap and if i try to weaken my grip at all with overlap, the grip doesn't feel comfortable. If i use a ten finger grip, its not an issue. Going to go back to 10 finger. I now remember that i had much less directional issues with a ten finger grip, not sure why i ever switched out of it.

[dlow206]

I've made the decision that I will be working with an online instructor. I am working on choosing an instructor. I've been looking at sample lessons on Skillest for various instructors, so that helps me to better understand their teaching methods. Stay tuned for an update.

[cnosil]

I've made the decision that I will be working with an online instructor. I am working on choosing an instructor. I've been looking at sample lessons on Skillest for various instructors, so that helps me to better understand their teaching methods. Stay tuned for an update.

I love golf lessons. I have learned a lot since I started doing lessons a few months ago

[Chip Strokes]

1 hour ago, dlow206 said:

I've made the decision that I will be working with an online instructor. I am working on choosing an instructor. I've been looking at sample lessons on Skillest for various instructors, so that helps me to better understand their teaching methods. Stay tuned for an update.

never tried an online lesson and based on the zoom class i took last summer, i’m not sure how i’d like it. 

but i’ve been really enjoying taking lessons and can’t recommend it enough, so i’m stoked for you. 

[cnosil]

never tried an online lesson and based on the zoom class i took last summer, i’m not sure how i’d like it. 
but i’ve been really enjoying taking lessons and can’t recommend it enough, so i’m stoked for you. 

I wasn’t sure about online lessons at first but it does work pretty well. I started online with putting which was good. It was all email, videos, and pictures with no video conferencing. I worried about online for other aspect of the game but my coach told me it works. I capture numbers on the gc quad and video things and send them to my coach. We then have zoom meetings and talk about the data and what I need to work on. I am also able to step back from the camera and show what I think is being communicated. Works better than I thought.

[Chip Strokes]

21 minutes ago, cnosil said:

I wasn’t sure about online lessons at first but it does work pretty well. I started online with putting which was good. It was all email, videos, and pictures with no video conferencing. I worried about online for other aspect of the game but my coach told me it works. I capture numbers on the gc quad and video things and send them to my coach. We then have zoom meetings and talk about the data and what I need to work on. I am also able to step back from the camera and show what I think is being communicated. Works better than I thought.

that’s awesome. the only point of reference i have for online education is an anatomy class on zoom where my 71yr old professor couldn’t find the “enable audio” button

[dlow206]

1 hour ago, cnosil said:

I wasn’t sure about online lessons at first but it does work pretty well. I started online with putting which was good. It was all email, videos, and pictures with no video conferencing. I worried about online for other aspect of the game but my coach told me it works. I capture numbers on the gc quad and video things and send them to my coach. We then have zoom meetings and talk about the data and what I need to work on. I am also able to step back from the camera and show what I think is being communicated. Works better than I thought.

I think it will work well for me once i find the right instructor. Going to get an initial lesson from two instructors, mainly to evaluate how they convey what I should work on, how well they work with and communicate with me, etc.

[dlow206]

I am going to choose between two instructors for online lessons soon. First is Alex Moore on Skillest. He has a high rating on Skillest and I watched his sample lesson and liked his approach. He sent back my initial swing analysis, and the key findings were some minor setup changes, and the main finding being that i need to be more vertical in my backswing, because I am rolling my forearms. The forearm rolling action is what makes me become over the top on the downswing. He is going to send a few video drills soon.

The second instructor that I am getting a lesson from is Chris Ryan who is a popular instructor on Youtube. He is going to work on my lesson this week.

After I receive the lessons material back from both, I will decide who to move forward with.

[dlow206]

Based on an online lesson I received back, i now have a fundamentally better understanding of how posture impacts the backswing and the ability to swing from the inside on the downswing. While it will take a lot of work to implement a better swing, I now at least understand why physiologically why my current swing happens the way it does, starting with my setup posture. 

[cnosil]

Based on an online lesson I received back, i now have a fundamentally better understanding of how posture impacts the backswing and the ability to swing from the inside on the downswing. While it will take a lot of work to implement a better swing, I now at least understand why physiologically why my current swing happens the way it does, starting with my setup posture. 

It is all cause and effect. Great to hear that you are getting a plan to move forward. All changes are hard but make sure to stick with them.

[GolfSpy AFG]

13 minutes ago, dlow206 said:

Based on an online lesson I received back, i now have a fundamentally better understanding of how posture impacts the backswing and the ability to swing from the inside on the downswing. While it will take a lot of work to implement a better swing, I now at least understand why physiologically why my current swing happens the way it does, starting with my setup posture. 

What was it specifically that you feel is going to help you get inside the ball going forward?  

If I start getting the rights I can usually trace it back to posture and early extension problems in my swing too.

[dlow206]

24 minutes ago, Getoffmylawn said:

What was it specifically that you feel is going to help you get inside the ball going forward?  

If I start getting the rights I can usually trace it back to posture and early extension problems in my swing too.

The first thing (and I may not be describing it correctly but i understand what the instructor intends) is that I need to hunched over a little more. Currently, if I try to swing from the inside, based on my posture, my arms almost physically get blocked from swinging from the inside, like my right arm will run into the side of my body, there really is no room for the arms to come through. Second is not rolling the arms inside and getting more vertical with the backswing.

Both of those things then just cause a bunch of additional issues in my swing. I will be receiving drills from my instructor today to work towards fixing these issues.

[dlow206]

Just got my lesson back from Chris Ryan and it was excellent. So I have now received lessons back from both Alex and Chris and both were top notch. A quick overview of what both said:

From Alex:

• He's philosophy is fundamentals first: posture, grip, stance, etc. He was the one who pointed out some changes to posture, holding grip more in the fingers, etc. 
• He pointed out that my arms roll and need to move more vertical. Also that my hip turn and shoulder turn get too flat
• He is still in process of sending drill videos, but the first one was a detailed video on grip

From Chris:

• His feedback was that the club moves well in my swing, but i need to work on how my body moves because it puts my hands in a bad position at the top (not enough depth).
• He said not to focus on the downswing for now and that i am already shallowing the shaft well, but because of my lack of hand depth in the backswing, it is causing me to come over the top. 
• He provided some good drills on how to stop swaying in the backswing and getting proper hip rotation. He didn't specifically call out that my hip turn and shoulder turn get too flat, but if i perform the drills he provided, it does stop the hip turn and shoulder turn from getting too flat

Overall, very happy with both lessons. Both lessons were very focused on better movements in the backswing. With many of the lessons that I have had with local instructors in-person, they were very focused on the downswing only and swinging to the right. Those have never worked for me, because I would still have the same bad backswing movements and then it is really hard to swing outside in from there. 

[Rickp]

Just got my lesson back from Chris Ryan and it was excellent. So I have now received lessons back from both Alex and Chris and both were top notch. A quick overview of what both said:
From Alex:

• He's philosophy is fundamentals first: posture, grip, stance, etc. He was the one who pointed out some changes to posture, holding grip more in the fingers, etc. 
• He pointed out that my arms roll and need to move more vertical. Also that my hip turn and shoulder turn get too flat
• He is still in process of sending drill videos, but the first one was a detailed video on grip

From Chris:

• His feedback was that the club moves well in my swing, but i need to work on how my body moves because it puts my hands in a bad position at the top (not enough depth).
• He said not to focus on the downswing for now and that i am already shallowing the shaft well, but because of my lack of hand depth in the backswing, it is causing me to come over the top. 
• He provided some good drills on how to stop swaying in the backswing and getting proper hip rotation. He didn't specifically call out that my hip turn and shoulder turn get too flat, but if i perform the drills he provided, it does stop the hip turn and shoulder turn from getting too flat

Overall, very happy with both lessons. Both lessons were very focused on better movements in the backswing. With many of the lessons that I have had with local instructors in-person, they were very focused on the downswing only and swinging to the right. Those have never worked for me, because I would still have the same bad backswing movements and then it is really hard to swing outside in from there. 

I’m guilty of the “sway” also. Sounds like some good instructions from both.


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