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On 11/5/2020 at 5:48 PM, dlow206 said:

I don't feel good about uploading the swing, but will do so, need something to hold myself accountable

Here's the bad iron swing. The turf maintenance folks probably hate me because my swing destroys the turf.

 

Below is a screenshot of your impact position from that video. Compare that with DJs position at impact in 4.  Since you mentioned earlier that you are a fan of Mike Malaska, I would highly recommend Mike's videos and focus on aligning your shaft with your right forearm, and pressing the shaft into the ball through impact - working on your swing from impact backward. If your impact position is wrong, nothing else matters, and you will forever fight inconsistency. I feel like the hip turn DJ shows at impact is a natural result of an intent to compress the ball with right forearm squeezing the shaft. I'd start with partial SW shots and mess with impact until you are they are rocketing effortlessly off your clubface. Then video your impact position and compare it to the pros.JohnsonDownswingTransition.jpg.dbc67fe56e36106c407c01b7737959aa.jpg

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I've decided to move forward working with Alex Moore on the Skillest app. I like his philosophy that is grounded on fundamentals. We are going to start working on the most basic fundamentals including grip, posture, and other setup fundamentals. 

The Skillest app subscription format will work well for me I believe, because I can submit videos for feedback at any time, and i can ask questions at any time. For example, i can just submit a video of a grip check and get feedback on that. 

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22 hours ago, TooSteep said:

Below is a screenshot of your impact position from that video. Compare that with DJs position at impact in 4.  Since you mentioned earlier that you are a fan of Mike Malaska, I would highly recommend Mike's videos and focus on aligning your shaft with your right forearm, and pressing the shaft into the ball through impact - working on your swing from impact backward. If your impact position is wrong, nothing else matters, and you will forever fight inconsistency. I feel like the hip turn DJ shows at impact is a natural result of an intent to compress the ball with right forearm squeezing the shaft. I'd start with partial SW shots and mess with impact until you are they are rocketing effortlessly off your clubface. Then video your impact position and compare it to the pros.JohnsonDownswingTransition.jpg.dbc67fe56e36106c407c01b7737959aa.jpg

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1) comparing swings to pros is an exceptionally poor strategy. Especially one of the most flexible guys on tour with a unique set of matchups. You need to figure out what moves you are physically capable of. 
 

2) Of all the differences to compare in these photos you prioritize the small difference in forearm position? How about approximately 45 degrees less hip turn to setup shaft lean and compress the ball? 

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16 hours ago, BMart519 said:

1) comparing swings to pros is an exceptionally poor strategy. Especially one of the most flexible guys on tour with a unique set of matchups. You need to figure out what moves you are physically capable of. 
 

2) Of all the differences to compare in these photos you prioritize the small difference in forearm position? How about approximately 45 degrees less hip turn to setup shaft lean and compress the ball? 

I was clearly too terse.

1. Every decent golfer on the planet looks similar at impact. Maybe without that much side bend, but definitely with hips open that much.

2. The open hips and angled shoulders are what allow you to press the shaft with the forearm!!!

Put a sandbag or something where the ball is and start from a static address position. Now press so hard with your right forearm that you bend the shaft significantly. You will be in DJs position, and your left leg will be clearly behind your right leg, with your shoulders angled down.

My point is that it makes no sense, from an efficiency of improvement point of view, to worry about the minutiae of earlier positions in the swing if your impact is that far off. Once you learn the feel of a solid impact position, and how to swing through it, many, many other things fall into place in short order.

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On 11/14/2020 at 12:56 PM, dlow206 said:

I've decided to move forward working with Alex Moore on the Skillest app. I like his philosophy that is grounded on fundamentals. We are going to start working on the most basic fundamentals including grip, posture, and other setup fundamentals. 

The Skillest app subscription format will work well for me I believe, because I can submit videos for feedback at any time, and i can ask questions at any time. For example, i can just submit a video of a grip check and get feedback on that. 

dlow206,

First let me say that although I don't post a lot in your thread much, I am a fan and pulling for you to break into the 80's. Trying to make so many changes at the same time is very difficult. I am not an instructor but I am currently a 1.3 handicap and have been where you are. I think we all have at one point or another. I will just tell you a few things that helped me.

  A common trend throughout all your posts seems to be in your grip position. I think we all have struggled with this during the early stages of our golf journey. What I found that worked for me is the simple golf training grip that you can pick up for around $12.00. Put it on an old club and just use that while hitting balls into your net. After a while the grip position will be ingrained and not even a thought.

I was given some advise back in the day that has stuck with me over the years. My instructor said to me "you don't hit anything on the back swing, and a fast backswing leads to inconsistencies in the transition to the downswing" slowing down my back swing fixed some of my issues at the time. If you looked at S.J. Im at the Masters you saw how slow his backswing was. His results were very impressive and consistent even with the pressure of playing in the Masters for the first time. (Not that you need to be that slow but that was for reference.)

The other simple item that helped me was a piece of cord. I got a 6 foot piece of cord and staked it to the ground at both ends and all I did was practice swinging the club down the length of the cord. You can see if you have a good swing path that way. As long as the 6" before impact and the 6" after are along the cord your path will work. Get a square club face during that distance and you will be in the zone.   

I know you are trying the on line lessons currently. What happen to the instructor at your club. Not a good fit?

Keep up the good work and I look forward to you breaking into the 80's. 

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1 minute ago, Tom the Golf Nut said:

dlow206,

First let me say that although I don't post a lot in your thread much, I am a fan and pulling for you to break into the 80's. Trying to make so many changes at the same time is very difficult. I am not an instructor but I am currently a 1.3 handicap and have been where you are. I think we all have at one point or another. I will just tell you a few things that helped me.

  A common trend throughout all your posts seems to be in your grip position. I think we all have struggled with this during the early stages of our golf journey. What I found that worked for me is the simple golf training grip that you can pick up for around $12.00. Put it on an old club and just use that while hitting balls into your net. After a while the grip position will be ingrained and not even a thought.

I was given some advise back in the day that has stuck with me over the years. My instructor said to me "you don't hit anything on the back swing, and a fast backswing leads to inconsistencies in the transition to the downswing" slowing down my back swing fixed some of my issues at the time. If you looked at S.J. Im at the Masters you saw how slow his backswing was. His results were very impressive and consistent even with the pressure of playing in the Masters for the first time. (Not that you need to be that slow but that was for reference.)

The other simple item that helped me was a piece of cord. I got a 6 foot piece of cord and staked it to the ground at both ends and all I did was practice swinging the club down the length of the cord. You can see if you have a good swing path that way. As long as the 6" before impact and the 6" after are along the cord your path will work. Get a square club face during that distance and you will be in the zone.   

I know you are trying the on line lessons currently. What happen to the instructor at your club. Not a good fit?

Keep up the good work and I look forward to you breaking into the 80's. 

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Thanks the training grip seems like a good idea. 

Regarding lessons with the head pro at my club, his lesson was helpful, but didn't focus too much on helping with my root cause issues. It seems like giving lessons in not a major priority for him, and he didn't even suggest more lessons or anything like that. I am a pretty needy student that is full of questions, so this online subscription format works well for me.

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Ok. Just checking. I hope the online works out for you. I prefer the in person one on one approach. I'm fortunate to have two good instructors at my club. One of ours has worked with a kid that has now just turned 16 and just broke the club record with a 62 from the blue tees. That's just not right! My problem is that I'm to lazy to ask them for any lessons and I'm afraid they will try to change something when I'm already playing well. 

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14 minutes ago, Tom the Golf Nut said:

Ok. Just checking. I hope the online works out for you. I prefer the in person one on one approach. I'm fortunate to have two good instructors at my club. One of ours has worked with a kid that has now just turned 16 and just broke the club record with a 62 from the blue tees. That's just not right! My problem is that I'm to lazy to ask them for any lessons and I'm afraid they will try to change something when I'm already playing well. 

With the right instructor, i also do prefer an in-person instructor

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@Tom the Golf Nut - i just looked up the training grip you suggested, and i hadn't previously realized that it was something that snaps on to an existing grip/club. I had only seen the type that is a standalone training grip that you need to install on a club. Just ordered the one you suggested, looks awesome.

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1 minute ago, dlow206 said:

@Tom the Golf Nut - i just looked up the training grip you suggested, and i hadn't previously realized that it was something that snaps on to an existing grip/club. I had only seen the type that is a standalone training grip that you need to install on a club. Just ordered the one you suggested, looks awesome.

Way back in the day they only had the replacement rubber grip. This one looks better so you can use it on any club you are practicing with. Good luck. 

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This is from a video advertising DST training clubs, but the information and presentation is excellent and really worth watching. I like that they show in great detail how, why and when we lose control of the clubface.

100% of tour pros reach full extension after impact. 84% of club golfers reach full extension before impact (20:29). (Only the final 40 seconds of the video talk about their product.)

 

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Hey @dlow206 I know we are like 6 hours apart but I would love to help however I can. It can be anything from being an additional set of eyes, a set of ears to bounce things off or even someone to play with (when possible). Whatever I can help with just let me know!

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6 minutes ago, DPattGolf said:

Hey @dlow206 I know we are like 6 hours apart but I would love to help however I can. It can be anything from being an additional set of eyes, a set of ears to bounce things off or even someone to play with (when possible). Whatever I can help with just let me know!

Ditto here @dlow206, although I am on my own personal golf journey like you.

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10 minutes ago, DPattGolf said:

Hey @dlow206 I know we are like 6 hours apart but I would love to help however I can. It can be anything from being an additional set of eyes, a set of ears to bounce things off or even someone to play with (when possible). Whatever I can help with just let me know!

Thanks. I'm a mess right now, but I know I need to work on not swaying and also on not rolling my forearms during the early part of the backswing. Really trying to get that down.

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6 hours ago, Tom the Golf Nut said:

Way back in the day they only had the replacement rubber grip. This one looks better so you can use it on any club you are practicing with. Good luck. 

From the time you mentioned this grip training aid, i already have ordered it and received it. The power of Amazon lol.

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9 minutes ago, dlow206 said:

From the time you mentioned this grip training aid, i already have ordered it and received it. The power of Amazon lol.

the power of Amazon when you live in Seattle. i remember 1 hour delivery when i lived there. you could get a package faster than you could get takeout 

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1 minute ago, Chip Strokes said:

the power of Amazon when you live in Seattle. i remember 1 hour delivery when i lived there. you could get a package faster than you could get takeout 

Didn't know you had lived in Seattle, whereabouts did you live?

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2 minutes ago, dlow206 said:

Didn't know you had lived in Seattle, whereabouts did you live?

lived in Renton, worked in Bellevue from 2015-2017

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2 hours ago, dlow206 said:

From the time you mentioned this grip training aid, i already have ordered it and received it. The power of Amazon lol.

Dam that was fast. The pony express is still running in my area of Tennessee.  So do tell!  Will this help you grip inconsistencies?

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