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1 minute ago, Getoffmylawn said:

Following the club or anything other than the ball during the golf swing is of course not a good idea.  Be careful about consciously restricting head movement though...it's okay and even good to allow your head to turn (turn, not sway).  Watch DJ swing, or even Nicklaus who often turned his head to start the swing.  Allows for a greater overall turn of the body and a wider backswing.

you make an important point of turning vs. moving.

DJ has a HUGE shoulder turn that would be rendered impossible by keeping his head still.  even when the head turns, it stays relatively centered and his eyes are still down looking at the ball.  it's fair to say that his head rotates as a result of his massive shoulder turn, not the other way around.

with a smaller shoulder turn, the need to rotate the head at all is minimized.  so for sake of simplicity @dlow206should just try keeping it still and feeling what he's trying to accomplish in the backswing.  less moving parts is always better and it's not like looking back is giving him a lot of information about what's happening with the club

 

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Just now, Chip Strokes said:

you make an important point of turning vs. moving.

DJ has a HUGE shoulder turn that would be rendered impossible by keeping his head still.  even when the head turns, it stays relatively centered and his eyes are still down looking at the ball.  it's fair to say that his head rotates as a result of his massive shoulder turn, not the other way around.

with a smaller shoulder turn, the need to rotate the head at all is minimized.  so for sake of simplicity @dlow206should just try keeping it still and feeling what he's trying to accomplish in the backswing.  less moving parts is always better and it's not like looking back is giving him a lot of information about what's happening with the club

 

Agree completely, I guess I'm making the point that not chasing the club with his eyes should not be confused with prioritizing a rigid/fixed head position.  Emphasizing that would likely limit his turn, as you've highlighted.

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4 minutes ago, Getoffmylawn said:

Agree completely, I guess I'm making the point that not chasing the club with his eyes should not be confused with prioritizing a rigid/fixed head position.  Emphasizing that would likely limit his turn, as you've highlighted.

absolutely! wasn't disagreeing at all, just expounding on a good point you made.

rigidity anywhere as you attempt to twist your body along several different axes is a bad thing!

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Appreciate all the folks following along by the way

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5 minutes ago, dlow206 said:

Appreciate all the folks following along by the way

It's interesting to see the changes you've made since you started this thread.  Reminds me of my journey, except mine has lasted over 25 years!!  Starting at a younger age makes a big difference.

Best of luck and I will keep following!

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Trying to get less inside with the takeaway. Felt like I was taking the club super outside on the takeaway, but guess it actually wasn't. Went across the line at the top which is not optimal. But good to feel what it feels like to take it away less inside. 

 

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34 minutes ago, dlow206 said:

Trying to get less inside with the takeaway. Felt like I was taking the club super outside on the takeaway, but guess it actually wasn't. Went across the line at the top which is not optimal. But good to feel what it feels like to take it away less inside. 

 

So I'll chime in on this specifically because it's something I worked on a lot last winter with my instructor. I had to practice the takeaway a ton for about a month straight before it started to move in the right direction, and then it started to move too outside. 🤦‍♂️

This is one area where I'm a huge fan of the PlaneMate and the short green band. If you keep tension on the band up to hip height you've nailed the takeaway.

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3 hours ago, dlow206 said:

Trying to get less inside with the takeaway. Felt like I was taking the club super outside on the takeaway, but guess it actually wasn't. Went across the line at the top which is not optimal. But good to feel what it feels like to take it away less inside. 

 

Looking good! I like the move you made there to drop the club into the slot. I'm like you, I tend to take the club away inside and am currently working on a more inside to out swing. I was at the range the other day and had a guy suggest I try exaggerating the takeaway and, for lack of a better term, loop it around to the inside. I hit some gorgeous drives doing that. Best of luck to you and keep up the great work!

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13 minutes ago, sirchunksalot said:

Looking good! I like the move you made there to drop the club into the slot. I'm like you, I tend to take the club away inside and am currently working on a more inside to out swing. I was at the range the other day and had a guy suggest I try exaggerating the takeaway and, for lack of a better term, loop it around to the inside. I hit some gorgeous drives doing that. Best of luck to you and keep up the great work!

The good thing for me is if i get the backswing moving in mostly the right way and in the right position, then my downswing shallows itself without me trying to actively do anything. The bad thing for me though is if my backswing gets in the wrong position, i'm unable to do anything with it other than swing over the top.

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1 hour ago, dlow206 said:

The good thing for me is if i get the backswing moving in mostly the right way and in the right position, then my downswing shallows itself without me trying to actively do anything. The bad thing for me though is if my backswing gets in the wrong position, i'm unable to do anything with it other than swing over the top.

I kind of think of it in the opposite way. I know what my transition needs to be. You mentioned Monte earlier, his 8 o clock cast is a good feel. What resonated with me is Bradley Hughes 4:30 swing. Regardless, my focus is on getting into a good position in transition, feeling ridiculously shallow, and attacking from the inside. My sole focus on the backswing is to create enough width, so that my arms have room for my transition and I can swing out instead of down.  

any critique on your backswing is really just, "that takeaway is not helping you get into a good transition." thats why you can make a compilation of insanely different backswings from PGA players, but the still images from p-5 to impact are so similar. whatever backswing works to get said player into a good transition is fine.

in your case you get inside, the body turns before the arms and then runs of out room while the arms keep going up. the arms come down a bit OTT, a bit steep. you refrain from opening your left hip up like you should because that would only carry the arms more OTT. So your motion stalls. You guide your arms down the line (that seems like it would be beneficial, but a good shallow strike is quick in quick out). So on your best swings you are probably hitting somewhat weak pull cuts. Probably lowish ball flights even on good strikes. And its possible to play decent golf from there. But when the timing is off we are seeing hooks and slices depending on your clubface control and/or grip. 

so yes, when your backswing ends up with you in a good position there are less compensations to make. So maybe focus on what a good transition looks and feels like, and work backwards to see what gets you there. 

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8 hours ago, dlow206 said:

Trying to get less inside with the takeaway. Felt like I was taking the club super outside on the takeaway, but guess it actually wasn't. Went across the line at the top which is not optimal. But good to feel what it feels like to take it away less inside. 

 

YES!!  Much better takeaway!  Now the club is coming from the inside, and look at your followthrough; you've rotated so the club finishes over your left shoulder instead of straight up holding the face open.  Compare with your other videos.

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Somewhat disappointed in myself that the over the top swing came out at the range today. Not my over top at its worst swing, but not optimal. I know it its going to take a while.

 

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Somewhat disappointed in myself that the over the top swing came out at the range today. Not my over top at its worst swing, but not optimal. I know it its going to take a while.
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16 minutes ago, dlow206 said:

Somewhat disappointed in myself that the over the top swing came out at the range today. Not my over top at its worst swing, but not optimal. I know it its going to take a while.

 

Just a little OTT, but not bad.  A little across the line at the top of the backswing... shorten it up a little and keep your back toward the target as long as you can in the downswing.

 

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2 minutes ago, Kenny B said:

Just a little OTT, but not bad.  A little across the line at the top of the backswing... shorten it up a little and keep your back toward the target as long as you can in the downswing.

 

Thanks, its definitely not as bad as my OTT when it is at its worst. 

What is bad is I felt like I was taking a short backswing and it was definitely not short at all. I need to have an intent to stop at left arm parallel. That intent causes me to get to a good full backswing. Actual left arm parallel for my feels like a chip shot haha.

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29 minutes ago, dlow206 said:

Thanks, its definitely not as bad as my OTT when it is at its worst. 

What is bad is I felt like I was taking a short backswing and it was definitely not short at all. I need to have an intent to stop at left arm parallel. That intent causes me to get to a good full backswing. Actual left arm parallel for my feels like a chip shot haha.

haha  That's what Monte says to do!

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thats what a ton of great golf coaches want you to do, because it keeps the arms and body in synch. keep the club in front of your chest and stand it up more and just L:L swing, or 9:3 swing or parallel to parallel swings. Whatever you want to call it. Alot of great players do it as a drill on the range. Tommy Fleetwood puts in into play on the course better than anyone.

2 other things that can help with out really feeling like you are modifying your swing on the range.

1. Align some mark on the ball, so that when you are looking at it at address, its on the back inside part of the ball. Could be the ball number, sharpie mark, a range stripe, or if your focus is good just a particular dimple. And your intent is to hit that part of the ball first. That should help you in 2 ways, with your head movement and your path.

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2. Take a few steps out on the range and put an alignment stick dead in between you are your target. Your job is to start the ball right of the target. Even if its a bad push. Just get it to the right. You'll have a hard time doing that with an OTT move. 

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Cleaned up some things with my grip today and I am finally getting my normal distances back. I went through some strange phase where the ball would go nowhere. Like I would hit a 7 iron and it would only go 110 yards and it wasn't topped or super fat or anything. 115 - 125 is my normal PW range, so to have been hitting a 7 iron that distance was depressing. Was able to get back to hitting a PW today in that normal range, and other clubs back in the normal range as well.

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Swing today, watch for a laugh. Its a foam ball btw.

 

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You're back to pulling the club almost 45 degrees off the target line at P2 with shaft parallel in backswing. Next stop: OTT shank town.

A place I know all too well! 

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