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32 minutes ago, dlow206 said:

I am sort of in this weird mental space. Golf swing vs. what works better on-course. One thing I noticed yesterday was that my eyes wander off the ball when I start my backswing, and that wandering of the eyes makes my ball contact inconsistent. Now, when I properly keep my eyes focused on the ball, contact is a million times better, but on video, I look less shallow in transition. I need to stop chasing what looks nice on video and focus on what works well plus what my instructor wants me to work on. 

Monte pointed out that I follow the club back with my eyes, turning my head which is why I'm inconsistent.  That's a difficult fix for me; I wasn't aware that I did that.

My comment on your latest swings is also something Monte pointed out to me:  I don't let my left knee turn much in my backswing to let my left heel come up; helps rotation and pressure shift.  That is a holdover from my single-plane swing days.  

Also, have you seen the latest post on Monte's Instagram page with Justin Rose on staying closed on the downswing? Justin Rose also shows that with his "feel vs real" on YouTube.  Looking at your video at the very top of your backswing, the first noticeable movement in the downswing is with your upper body. If you keep your back to the target as long as possible as the arms drop, you are in a much more powerful position at impact.

I've been doing that with good results.  It all happens in a fraction of a second, and the timing is something that takes getting used to.  If it doesn't work, forget it.  After attending Monte's clinic, I now understand that I don't know what I doing, and I didn't sleep in a Holiday Inn Express last night!!

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On 4/12/2021 at 10:16 AM, Kenny B said:

Monte pointed out that I follow the club back with my eyes, turning my head which is why I'm inconsistent.  That's a difficult fix for me; I wasn't aware that I did that.

My comment on your latest swings is also something Monte pointed out to me:  I don't let my left knee turn much in my backswing to let my left heel come up; helps rotation and pressure shift.  That is a holdover from my single-plane swing days.  

Also, have you seen the latest post on Monte's Instagram page with Justin Rose on staying closed on the downswing? Justin Rose also shows that with his "feel vs real" on YouTube.  Looking at your video at the very top of your backswing, the first noticeable movement in the downswing is with your upper body. If you keep your back to the target as long as possible as the arms drop, you are in a much more powerful position at impact.

I've been doing that with good results.  It all happens in a fraction of a second, and the timing is something that takes getting used to.  If it doesn't work, forget it.  After attending Monte's clinic, I now understand that I don't know what I doing, and I didn't sleep in a Holiday Inn Express last night!!

Worked on cleaning up my sequencing a bit. Not exactly the way you mentioned but its related to what you mentioned. Looks better now. 

 

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Had an enlightening moment regarding my driver setup today after my round, on the range. Had been hitting some big push fades, push slices, which I hate. I believe much of the issue is setup.

First problem is ball placement being too far toward the middle of my stance vs. being more forward toward the front foot. Its not literally in the middle of my stance but its too much in that direction. 

However, changing that in isolation doesn't fix my issue. The second big piece is shoulder alignment. Even when my feet are square and the clubface is setup square, my shoulders aim to the right. Its sort of like my shoulders are pointing towards the target rather than setup parallel to the target. 

After setting up my shoulders more square and ball more forward, i started to hit the ball much more on-line and farther than normal. Ball was traveling either straight or small left to right fade. Even when I hit the ball off the line i intended, it wasn't a massive miss. 

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14 hours ago, dlow206 said:

.... The second big piece is shoulder alignment. Even when my feet are square and the clubface is setup square, my shoulders aim to the right. Its sort of like my shoulders are pointing towards the target rather than setup parallel to the target. 

After setting up my shoulders more square and ball more forward, i started to hit the ball much more on-line and farther than normal. Ball was traveling either straight or small left to right fade. Even when I hit the ball off the line i intended, it wasn't a massive miss. 

I always looked at 4 points of alignment in a setup position....feet, knees, hips and shoulders.  Ideally each should be aligned toward your target.

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I always looked at 4 points of alignment in a setup position....feet, knees, hips and shoulders.  Ideally each should be aligned toward your target.

Nitpicking wording. Not sure aligned toward target is correct. People will try to be parallel to
Target line. Aligning toward target would be a closed setup. People may also want to setup open to promote a fade. Not going to get into the target vs where you are aiming. [emoji16]
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13 minutes ago, cnosil said:


Nitpicking wording. Not sure aligned toward target is correct. People will try to be parallel to
Target line. Aligning toward target would be a closed setup. People may also want to setup open to promote a fade. Not going to get into the target vs where you are aiming. emoji16.png

Yeah....probably poor or incomplete two sentence wording on my description.  I see what you mean by 'parallel' and that is a more accurate term.  I can demonstrate with an alignment stick better than writing it down that's for sure.  I always felt the 4 points of alignment should be aimed consistently for most people, you don't want feet open, hips closed, shoulders & knees square for example.  Once they determine their most consistent ball flight with a 'square' set up then they can adjust the setup alignment to promote, compensate or manipulate ball flight as they want.

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16 hours ago, dlow206 said:

Had an enlightening moment regarding my driver setup today after my round, on the range. Had been hitting some big push fades, push slices, which I hate. I believe much of the issue is setup.

First problem is ball placement being too far toward the middle of my stance vs. being more forward toward the front foot. Its not literally in the middle of my stance but its too much in that direction. 

However, changing that in isolation doesn't fix my issue. The second big piece is shoulder alignment. Even when my feet are square and the clubface is setup square, my shoulders aim to the right. Its sort of like my shoulders are pointing towards the target rather than setup parallel to the target. 

After setting up my shoulders more square and ball more forward, i started to hit the ball much more on-line and farther than normal. Ball was traveling either straight or small left to right fade. Even when I hit the ball off the line i intended, it wasn't a massive miss. 

Using the alignment sticks to at least make sure your body is set up to the intended target is helpful. Takes one of the variables out of the equation to let you cross check the other areas

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1 hour ago, cnosil said:


Nitpicking wording. Not sure aligned toward target is correct. People will try to be parallel to
Target line. Aligning toward target would be a closed setup. People may also want to setup open to promote a fade. Not going to get into the target vs where you are aiming. emoji16.png

GG dives into alignment in his course and talks about it both as a stock setup and also that the shorter the club the more open one should be, but he also gets into matchups like you mention for hitting different types of shots. 
 

 

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18 hours ago, dlow206 said:

Had an enlightening moment regarding my driver setup today after my round, on the range. Had been hitting some big push fades, push slices, which I hate. I believe much of the issue is setup.

First problem is ball placement being too far toward the middle of my stance vs. being more forward toward the front foot. Its not literally in the middle of my stance but its too much in that direction. 

However, changing that in isolation doesn't fix my issue. The second big piece is shoulder alignment. Even when my feet are square and the clubface is setup square, my shoulders aim to the right. Its sort of like my shoulders are pointing towards the target rather than setup parallel to the target. 

After setting up my shoulders more square and ball more forward, i started to hit the ball much more on-line and farther than normal. Ball was traveling either straight or small left to right fade. Even when I hit the ball off the line i intended, it wasn't a massive miss. 

It's easy to misalign your feet using your toes, especially if you flare your feet like I do.  Better to use an alignment stick on your heels.  When I flare my toes, I tend to align to the right... and so do my shoulders.

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14 minutes ago, Kenny B said:

It's easy to misalign your feet using your toes, especially if you flare your feet like I do.  Better to use an alignment stick on your heels.  When I flare my toes, I tend to align to the right... and so do my shoulders.

So much this. GG talks about this in the alignment section of his swing module. I’ve seen other instructors talk about it in videos too. 

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2 hours ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

GG dives into alignment in his course and talks about it both as a stock setup and also that the shorter the club the more open one should be, but he also gets into matchups like you mention for hitting different types of shots. 
 

 

I get myself in trouble with doing this correctly, because when i start to open up my stance slightly, then I start to point the clubface left along with it, instead of pointing the clubface towards the target which I am intending to do. 

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15 minutes ago, dlow206 said:

I get myself in trouble with doing this correctly, because when i start to open up my stance slightly, then I start to point the clubface left along with it, instead of pointing the clubface towards the target which I am intending to do. 

You can put a club or alignment stick perpendicular to the target line and place the face of the club on it so that it stays square the the target as you open or close your stance. 

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You can put a club or alignment stick perpendicular to the target line and place the face of the club on it so that it stays square the the target as you open or close your stance. 

Also can Put a tee on the target line. You can aim the face at the tee or a grass spot when playing Shawn Clement also talks about this a lot in his videos and is more what you see on the course. Martin Chuck always advocates a
Line across the feet and one for
Ball position like you mention.
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2 minutes ago, cnosil said:


Also can Put a tee on the target line. You can aim the face at the tee or a grass spot when playing Shawn Clement also talks about this a lot in his videos.

Lots of ways to skin that cat. Seen some use a 2x4 that can also be into and impact drill at the same time

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Stick to your lessons on a regular basis. Then practice with a purpose.  

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So I know it seems like I have ADHD in terms of which coach i am working with at any point in time. I decided to work with Monte again and stick with it. He recently identified some very specific items in my backswing that hadn't been identified by other coaches. While my swing had been looking pretty decent to date, the two main items that Monte had called out have made a significant difference in low point control, getting my arms and pivot more in sync, etc. The two things called out were:

- I was getting pressure on to my left side much too early in the backswing. i was essentially never getting pressure to the right side. i think that stemmed from me previously having a sway and trying to make a centered pivot and trying to get to my left side earlier. i basically then ingrained over doing it. this made my swing feel very unathletic

- My arms were getting jammed near the top of my backswing at the point where my body stopped rotating, so my arms reacted by continuing to move to get more space. This action caused my arms and pivot get out of sync, which just made it harder for me to make a good, proper downswing. I could do it okay at times, but Monte was saying i was making it really hard on myself.

I think i now know best how to work with Monte going forward, what his communication style is like, how he likes to best work with students, etc. I have a better understanding on how to use his Improvement Plan, its not for identifying new issues or addressing my random questions, its for making sure i am not screwing up what i was prescribed to do between lessons. I had sent him the videos below today just to make sure I wasn't screwing up what he told me to work on, and i got back probably the most positive comment ever from Monte, "brilliant".

Swing is looking and feeling great. I know that we often one day feel great and then all of a sudden lose it all. I have taken notes on my phone on what exact feelings I need to have to make the swing I want to, and will go back to that when things go awry.

 

 

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I am sort of in this weird mental space. Golf swing vs. what works better on-course. One thing I noticed yesterday was that my eyes wander off the ball when I start my backswing, and that wandering of the eyes makes my ball contact inconsistent. Now, when I properly keep my eyes focused on the ball, contact is a million times better, but on video, I look less shallow in transition. I need to stop chasing what looks nice on video and focus on what works well plus what my instructor wants me to work on. 

I dealt with the “wandering eyes” for over a season; I was working on shortening my back swing while still completely turning, while adding a bit of wrist flexion. I couldn’t stop looking back at my hands when I got to the top! Eventually I just accepted that what I was working on would become habit if I just kept grinding on it. 2 years later it isn’t an issue. I like to just swing whatever swing I brought to the course while I’m playing, and worry about technique during lessons/practice.


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One of the things I have learned from Monte is how to look at my own swing and identify when things are going wrong. Everyone has unique tendencies, so its essentially understanding and being able to spot my own tendencies on video. I think that is helpful for being able to correct things before the wrong things get ingrained. 

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Had my next big breakthrough with my swing over the last few days. Had been hitting the ball like trash for a while, and I went back to my online lesson with Monte, as well as what he mentioned in the past. One of the common themes was arm overswing. 

My arm overswing is a problem for me because it also comes with: flat hip/shoulder turn, arms keep going back even when the body stop turning in the backswing, etc. My arms and pivot get out of sync in the downswing, and its all timing to hit the ball decently.

I spent some time watching some older videos about how to know your backswing and turn is long enough for you personally. It had to do with getting in golf posture, holding a shaft or long stick across your chest, and making a rotation. When your body stops moving during that drill (without standing up and losing posture), thats the max turn you should have in your swing. 

What I found was that my max turn coincides with my left arm touching my chin in the backswing. So i worked on that and it has really made a difference in my swing. While my swing doesn't really look that much shorter, i used to make all sorts of inefficient movement previously, and most of that is gone now. 

Now I am less likely to EE as much, less stuck, not backing out of the shot to make room for my arms, etc. Monte likes the changes and how my swing is looking and just mentioned I am a little to bent over at setup, which I will fix. 

 

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I just video taped my driver swing. doesn't even look like a swing from the same person lol. It so different than my iron swing and i see why i am so hot and cold with my driver. Time to rebuild driver swing. Not ready to post any videos yet, its too crappy for right now. 

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