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@J.B. TexasEx Google says that 1 mph in clubs speed = 3.16 yards.  Obviously many more factors that go into it as well.... but generally speaking

...cue someone to make ridiculous comments, that you can't assume that, more factors, Rick Shiels says otherwise, TXG thinks its 3.34yds based on their Canadian altitude etc. 😂

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15 minutes ago, jlukes said:

That is pretty much what TrueGolfFit will tell you.  Put in your swing parameters and it will give you the best driver.  The database will be updated in a few months to include all of the new stuff.

And this information is free if all you have is Swing Speed

https://mygolfspy.com/2019-most-wanted-the-best-drivers-for-mid-swing-speeds/

Thanks

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9 minutes ago, JonMUSC08 said:

@J.B. TexasEx Google says that 1 mph in clubs speed = 3.16 yards.  Obviously many more factors that go into it as well.... but generally speaking

...cue someone to make ridiculous comments, that you can't assume that, more factors, Rick Shiels says otherwise, TXG thinks its 3.34yds based on their Canadian altitude etc. 😂

I’m a bit confused at this point what the argument is. Is the argument that the technological improvements are just hyperbolic marketing bs or that there just isn’t enough data to validate a new purchase over the previous years model?

I ask because the engineering appears to work based on what’s been shown so far. Sure, the marketing department is going to build it up as the next big thing but I don’t even recall the last time an OEM advertised specific yardage gains (maybe X-Hot?). Most claims are pretty vague anymore; “more speed”, “more distance” are the typical slogans and they aren’t TECHNICALLY wrong. I think we just have a tendency to read into it based on past experience. Sites like MGS have caused OEMs to take notice by conducting proper research on the golf industry and posting their findings for Joe Public free of charge. And yes, mileage may vary, but it the tech still works. Unfortunately, there’s often just more benefit for higher speed players than lower speed players

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6 minutes ago, TR1PTIK said:

I’m a bit confused at this point what the argument is. Is the argument that the technological improvements are just hyperbolic marketing bs or that there just isn’t enough data to validate a new purchase over the previous years model?

I ask because the engineering appears to work based on what’s been shown so far. Sure, the marketing department is going to build it up as the next big thing but I don’t even recall the last time an OEM advertised specific yardage gains (maybe X-Hot?). Most claims are pretty vague anymore; “more speed”, “more distance” are the typical slogans and they aren’t TECHNICALLY wrong. I think we just have a tendency to read into it based on past experience. Sites like MGS have caused OEMs to take notice by conducting proper research on the golf industry and posting their findings for Joe Public free of charge. And yes, mileage may vary, but it the tech still works. Unfortunately, there’s often just more benefit for higher speed players than lower speed players

He asked what 1 more mph in club head is equal to. VERY VERY VERY general statement.

More detailed answer... EVERY aspect of physics will change distance. EVERY brand will say their newest technology is the best over the prior year. If not, why would they release it. Example, the TM SLDR driver is very long and could still beat out drivers in DISTANCE (maybe not forgiveness) compared to drivers that came out after it.

Thread is getting a little ridiculous... the only one that can say if its a good driver or not is yourself. If you hit it better than what you currently have then its better. If its equal or not, than its not better. How cares if its a true or copy Ventus shaft. Most players dont wanna pay the extra money for one anyway nor do they need to.

Marketing is not necessarily BS. Its used to inform and intrigue consumers to becoming interested in the product.

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2 minutes ago, JonMUSC08 said:

He asked what 1 more mph in club head is equal to. VERY VERY VERY general statement

Unless I missed something, his question was much more vague than that, but thanks for explaining. 

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2 hours ago, TR1PTIK said:

I’m a bit confused at this point what the argument is. Is the argument that the technological improvements are just hyperbolic marketing bs or that there just isn’t enough data to validate a new purchase over the previous years model?

Every manufacturer makes vague, hyperbolic claims when they launch new clubs especially drivers.

But, TM's new SIM tech appears to do what it says based on initial testing by TXG, Shiels, and others. Based on @JonMUSC08's google search, we can expect to gain maybe 3.2 yards per mph increase in swing speed. Shiels claims to have only gained .4 mph with SIM vs M5.

Here's the argument: is 3-8 yards worth the $550 sticker price to most golfers if they're only gaining .4 to 2 mph. Hell, is 8 yards to the mid-handicapper? Maybe, but he doesn't swing 117 mph like Matty with consistent swing path, face angle, etc. An inconsistent 13.4 like me at 102 mph isn't gonna get as much bang for the buck.

But, we've already established I'm cheap so TM obviously isn't marketing to guys like me. 😜 

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4 hours ago, Middler said:

They are marketing to guys like you and everyone else. But not everyone buys into the not so subtle claims...

I guess so, since we're debating the SIM's merits here. I look forward to reviewing MGS testing on 2020's latest drivers.

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I don't know, I thought TXG made it quite clear all of last year that the M5, much like the M3 before it, was not a good fit for Matt -- too low spin. And as much as Ian wanted to game the M5, he really struggled to get his ball speeds up with it when compared to the Callaway and Ping drivers he was testing.

Maybe it just seems like they're dumping on the M5 more because of how much better the SIM has been for Matt?

What I learned from the TXG video is they didn't much care for the M5 - I wonder if they said that when it came out (nope)? Understandably all the YT channels are very reluctant to differentiate between clubs/brands, you really have to read between the lines to get any sense. Funny thing is Crossfield is probably the most direct about clubs he doesn't like, albeit he can't outright say it either.
The SD is important, but it's not necessarily all in club design, the Indian plays a role too though Matt is clearly outstanding, more consistent than most. Robot testing would tell us more about how the M5 and SIM compare, but I agree real world human dispersion is valuable - it's what we all see, even pros to a lesser extent.
I didn't see where they shared all the data from both the M5 and SIM, but at the point they did share raw data (below), there are some suspect hits with the SIM, the first two are very low launch, crazy low spin and peak height - I wonder if they eliminate any data as outliers, don't know? And one of the M5 hits was 15°. Please look over the peak heights, those are not apples to apples.
It was probably there but I didn't find what lofts they had them both set at. I see the M5 was offered at 9-10.5-12 and the SIM at 8-9-10.5, surely they made sure they were comparing the same lofts. And if the M5 launches a degree higher, dial it down one and compare it to the SIM. Then what? I'd think we should all be choosing the loft that yields the optimal launch angle before just concluding the SIM is better.
And yes this test shows a guy who carries 293 to 303 getting 10 yards more carry. I wonder how many members here are in that league? If we don't address the launch angle we might be 5-7 yards, or nothing if we correct launch angle.
I agree TXG is the most professional. To say Shiels and Crossfield judge based on ball speed and distance only is unfair, and false. They have shared all the same data that TXG does, though I'd agree they don't do it as consistently as they used to.
I'm not looking for an argument either. I am sure all club manufacturers are (usually marginally) improving their clubs from one cycle to the next and it's not just pure BS, and I can be overly cynical about the marketing hype (and fittings as a silver bullet). But I also know that marketing is carefully worded to make a potential buyer believe they'll see more benefit than they usually do, especially the 90% of us with double digit HI's.
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14 minutes ago, J.B. TexasEx said:

Here's the argument: is 3-8 yards worth the $550 sticker price to most golfers if they're only gaining .4 to 2 mph.

In short, no. Not unless you’re playing competitive golf at a high level where everyone is likely playing the latest and greatest for free or at a significant discount. That’s where my “more money than sense” comment from earlier comes in because plenty of people will make that switch. And I don’t say that simply to insult anyone who does this (if it makes you happy, go for it), but from my perspective it seems like you’re throwing money away for marginal gains. 
 

That said, not everyone falls into the same boat and if you have older equipment like my G25 or even older, you MAY see a bigger improvement.

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19 minutes ago, J.B. TexasEx said:

Every manufacturer makes vague, hyperbolic claims when they launch new clubs especially drivers.

But, TM's new SIM tech appears to do what it says based on initial testing by TXG, Shiels, and others. Based on @JonMUSC08's google search, we can expect to gain maybe 3.2 yards per mph increase in swing speed. Shiels claims to have only gained .4 mph with SIM vs M5.

Here's the argument: is 3-8 yards worth the $550 sticker price to most golfers if they're only gaining .4 to 2 mph. Hell, is 8 yards to the mid-handicapper? Maybe, but he doesn't swing 117 mph like Matty with consistent swing path, face angle, etc. An inconsistent 13.4 like me at 102 mph isn't gonna get as much bang for the buck.

But, we've already established I'm cheap so TM obviously isn't marketing to guys like me. 😜 

I think the range for what will be worth $550 based on distance gains alone will vary from person to person even in the same hdcp range. For some 3 yards is enough...some pros would take that. For me 3-4 not really as it doesn’t affect clubs selection on approach shots. 5-6 now I might consider it. 6+ I’m in.

another thing some consider is dispersion and/or consistency in distance and dispersion. The comment pmookie made earlier about standard deviation is a very key aspect here imo, also something that txg pointers out and when you look Matt’s shots he didn’t hit one right after they adjusted the weight heel to toe. 
 

give me 3+ yards of carry plus eliminating one side of the course and it’s worth $550 or more if it’s with an upcharge shaft

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1 minute ago, Middler said:

OK, now I'm confused. Matt got significantly lower spin numbers with the SIM over the M5...

Lower but consistent. Lower isn’t bad the problem for Matt was the lower ones with m5 were unplayable. There’s a too low spin just like there’s a too high spin mark, both are unplayable.

the standard deviation is what keeps matt lower spin ok with the sim. His numbers were pretty close to optimal and he doesn’t have to worry about a shot getting away from him to the right or falling out of the sky 

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12 minutes ago, FrogginBullfish said:

Maybe it just seems like they're dumping on the M5 more because of how much better the SIM has been for Matt?

I’d say that’s pretty reasonable. Data aside, you can just see the difference in (simulated) ball flight. The M5 in Matty’s hands was all over the place. He had a couple hooks, some nice bullets, a real floater or two. The SIM on the other hand seemed to maintain a more consistent trajectory. I think he still had a couple fall to the right a bit more than he’d want, but overall much better for him.

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The guy in the TXG video has a 117mph swing speed!!!! He's faster than most tour pro's! Essentially hes in the top 0.05% of golfers haha.  (my guess on %)
Doing a QUICK Google search:
The average male amateur's swing speed is 93.4 miles per hour, according to research by TrackMan, for an average distance of 214 yards. Using TrackMan's "optimal" distance, the average golfer's potential is 255 yards at that same swing speed
I wanna see the average 90-95mph swing player with like a 10 hdcp (bad eough that there are mishits, good enough that they have the ability to make good contact).

The great part about the video is they didn’t even talk about swing speed gains. They pointed out that machines have difficulty measuring swing speed in the first place, so on the ball speed, deviation, all of the other parameters that Taylormade claims they have improved are showing to be true. Every single golfer in the world can benefit from More consistency in a driver head.


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Too in-depth, IMO. I don't care to get bogged down in TXG's level of minutiae. The 117 mph swinger @ TXG is even less relevant to me.
Not to be argumentative, but the average swing speed on Tour is what? 112 mph? That aligns with Shiels review. He's not my "only source", but I trust his topline insights. He's usually concise and to the point and I like his style. To each his own.
But, I do look forward to reading the MGS reviews from our contributors and spies once we mere mortals give 'em a swing.

Why get caught up and swing speed? That has nothing to do with the consistency of a driver head, set of irons, fairway woods, or hybrids,. Standard deviation, consistency is what matters. A 90 mile an hour swing is going to benefit from a smaller deviation! The improvements from last year’s model to this year’s model is about forgiveness, and consistency, primarily. This is why you should watch TXG videos so you actually learn about what the manufacturer is saying are the benefits, especially when an engineer from the manufacturer itself is in the video explaining everything.


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True story. 
That's probably why I don't watch TXG very often. Their reviews are too long and I lose interest, so I stopped following them on YouTube. I see their
is only 15 minutes long, though. 

Watch the video of their initial impressions on the clubs where they have a TaylorMade engineer speaking about the technology. 10 times better, probably 1000 times better, than watching Rick Shiels videos!


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What I learned from the TXG video is they didn't much care for the M5 - I wonder if they said that when it came out (nope)? Understandably all the YT channels are very reluctant to differentiate between clubs/brands, you really have to read between the lines to get any sense. Funny thing is Crossfield is probably the most direct about clubs he doesn't like, albeit he can't outright say it either.

The SD is important, but it's not necessarily all in club design, the Indian plays a role too though Matt is clearly outstanding, more consistent than most. Robot testing would tell us more about how the M5 and SIM compare, but I agree real world human dispersion is valuable - it's what we all see, even pros to a lesser extent.

I didn't see where they shared all the data from both the M5 and SIM, but at the point they did share raw data (below), there are some suspect hits with the SIM, the first two are very low launch, crazy low spin and peak height - I wonder if they eliminate any data as outliers, don't know? And one of the M5 hits was 15°. Please look over the peak heights, those are not apples to apples.

It was probably there but I didn't find what lofts they had them both set at. I see the M5 was offered at 9-10.5-12 and the SIM at 8-9-10.5, surely they made sure they were comparing the same lofts. And if the M5 launches a degree higher, dial it down one and compare it to the SIM. Then what? I'd think we should all be choosing the loft that yields the optimal launch angle before just concluding the SIM is better.

And yes this test shows a guy who carries 293 to 303 getting 10 yards more carry. I wonder how many members here are in that league? If we don't address the launch angle we might be 5-7 yards, or nothing if we correct launch angle.

I agree TXG is the most professional. To say Shiels and Crossfield judge based on ball speed and distance only is unfair, and false. They have shared all the same data that TXG does, though I'd agree they don't do it as consistently as they used to.

I'm not looking for an argument either. I am sure all club manufacturers are (usually marginally) improving their clubs from one cycle to the next and it's not just pure BS, and I can be overly cynical about the marketing hype (and fittings as a silver bullet). But I also know that marketing is carefully worded to make a potential buyer believe they'll see more benefit than they usually do, especially the 90% of us with double digit HI's.

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Watch the TXG video for yourself and you will have all the answers to your questions and doubts

 

 

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Watch the video of their initial impressions on the clubs where they have a TaylorMade engineer speaking about the technology. 10 times better, probably 1000 times better, than watching Rick Shiels videos!


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30 minutes ago, PMookie said:


Why get caught up and swing speed? That has nothing to do with the consistency of a driver head, set of irons, fairway woods, or hybrids,. Standard deviation, consistency is what matters. A 90 mile an hour swing is going to benefit from a smaller deviation! The improvements from last year’s model to this year’s model is about forgiveness, and consistency, primarily. This is why you should watch TXG videos so you actually learn about what the manufacturer is saying are the benefits, especially when an engineer from the manufacturer itself is in the video explaining everything.


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Also Matt touched on the stability of the sim over the m5. Im sure that plays a role in the standard deviation they were seeing but having a head not moving all over the place on impact is a nice feeling. After watching the txg videos it’s hard to not argue that Tm significantly improved one of their offerings from the previous year. Like you said many will get hung up in swing speed and maybe even ball speed improvements but there’s a lot that can be seen as improved in those videos

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46 minutes ago, PMookie said:


Why get caught up and swing speed? That has nothing to do with the consistency of a driver head, set of irons, fairway woods, or hybrids,. Standard deviation, consistency is what matters. A 90 mile an hour swing is going to benefit from a smaller deviation! The improvements from last year’s model to this year’s model is about forgiveness, and consistency, primarily. This is why you should watch TXG videos so you actually learn about what the manufacturer is saying are the benefits, especially when an engineer from the manufacturer itself is in the video explaining everything.


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Why get caught up in clubhead speed? Because that's supposed to be one of the SIMs big value-added benefits. More speed = more distance. Yeah, I know a 90 mph swing won't hit it as far offline with the same error as a 117 mph swinger might.

I don't believe driver tech makes quantum leaps YOY. The SIM may be marginally more "forgiving" than the M5, but I'd rather see the results from Iron Byron - a swing we know is gonna repeat damn near every time. Even TXG's Matty can't match the robot's consistency.

Plus, I don't really care what the manufacturer rep is saying. He's gonna tow the company line, unlike MGS testing.

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Irons: :benhogan-small:Apex Plus, 4-PW, Apex S4-Flex
Wedges: :cleveland-small: CG10; 50*, 54*, 58*, Dynamic Gold W-flex 

Putter: :odyssey-small: White Hot Pro Blade #2
Grips: Golf Pride MCC-Plus 4 & Lamkin UTx
Ball: Kirkland Signature 3-Piece 

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6 minutes ago, J.B. TexasEx said:

Why get caught up in clubhead speed? Because that's supposed to be one of the SIMs big value-added benefits. More speed = more distance. Yeah, I know a 90 mph swing won't hit it as far offline with the same error as a 117 mph swinger might.

I don't believe driver tech makes quantum leaps YOY. The SIM may be marginally more "forgiving" than the M5, but I'd rather see the results from Iron Byron - a swing we know is gonna repeat damn near every time. Even TXG's Matty can't match the robot's consistency.

Plus, I don't really care what the manufacturer rep is saying. He's gonna tow the company line, unlike MGS testing.

As Ian explained the monitors don’t always rea speed the same for every head and the different shapes of m5 and sim could cause different readings and he’s more interested in the output rather than the input which is why when you look at ball speed increase with better standard deviation, consistent spin and a more stable head Matt gained 10 yards, basically eliminated one side of the course all of which come a YOY comparison sim is significantly better than m5

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Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4

Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white

Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid

Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120

Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60

Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1

Ball: Titleist Prov1

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