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In my opinion the ultimate goal of the manufacturers with Loft Jacking is reducing the amount of clubs in a "standard" set and selling more individual clubs. Right now the sets are stopping at 4 iron but more and more reducing that to 5 iron or even some 6 irons. After that some driving irons and hybrids witch cost over 200 usd. On the short side of the bag, Right now with PW going down to 45 and 44 degrees, you need another specialty wedge after the GAP witch coincidentally also cost more than the "set" clubs.

 

Anyone else also thinks this is happening?

Why haven't any one in the industry spoken about this?

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No and the loft jacking topic has been talked about ad nauseam here and everywhere else on the internet to include direct information from the the designers at several companies 

One can buy individual set makeup of blades or player cavities as well. 

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The concept of a standard set is going away. Players are choosing to put specialty clubs at the top and bottom of the bag to accomplish specific goals. Players even make decisions across the iron set to include varying types and brands of irons.

Ultimately play what works for you and helps you have fun or score the best you can. Look at my signature, lots of headcovers and I start my irons at 6.

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6 minutes ago, Middler said:

Re: standard sets - not sure if it’s good or bad, but we all have options these days, hard to see how that’s bad. Long irons are harder to buy nowadays, but they haven’t disappeared yet. My club choices are somewhat old school out of habit.

I’ve argued loft jacking several times, but I’m even tired of it. There are truths and distortions on both sides...

Long irons are not hard to buy, in fact they are standard in most sets. Technology and information has changed so you don't see as many of them but they are readily available. 

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I think it’s a great thing - that there is no such thing as a standard set anymore.

Of course manufacturers are going to adjust and make money on that trend. Why shouldn’t they? They aren’t not for profits. :)


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On 1/10/2020 at 11:13 AM, RSeg said:

In my opinion the ultimate goal of the manufacturers with Loft Jacking is reducing the amount of clubs in a "standard" set and selling more individual clubs. Right now the sets are stopping at 4 iron but more and more reducing that to 5 iron or even some 6 irons. After that some driving irons and hybrids witch cost over 200 usd. On the short side of the bag, Right now with PW going down to 45 and 44 degrees, you need another specialty wedge after the GAP witch coincidentally also cost more than the "set" clubs.

 

Anyone else also thinks this is happening?

Why haven't any one in the industry spoken about this?

In 1988, I played Hogan Apex Redlines.  My longest iron had 19* of loft and was 39.25" long.

Now, I play Cobra F8s.  My longest iron has 19* of loft and is 39.25" long.  

 

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3 Wood (16*) - :cobra-small: F8 - Aldila NV Blue 60 ( S )
2 Hybrid - Titleist 585 (17*) - Titleist 4175 ( R )
4i - LW - :cobra-small: F8 - N.S. Pro Modus3 Tour105 ( S )
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2 hours ago, revkev said:

I think it’s a great thing - that there is no such thing as a standard set anymore.

Of course manufacturers are going to adjust and make money on that trend. Why shouldn’t they? They aren’t not for profits. 🙂


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Amen Rev.

Plenty of people are replacing lower lofted irons with hybrids, because lower lofted irons are too hard to hit.  My older daughter is a halfway decent player (she can break 90 on a 5300 yard golf course), and the longest iron she carries is a 7.  Her highest lofted hybrid is 30*.  She can hit 5 and 6 irons, but she can't hold greens with them.  Why should she carry clubs that don't work for her?  And why should I buy them?  She was fit into a set of AP1s, 7 - PW (she liked her old wedges, so no GW), for her senior season in high school.  Saved me a ton buying just what she needed.

 

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Driver - :cobra-small: F8 - Aldila NV Blue 60 ( S )
3 Wood (16*) - :cobra-small: F8 - Aldila NV Blue 60 ( S )
2 Hybrid - Titleist 585 (17*) - Titleist 4175 ( R )
4i - LW - :cobra-small: F8 - N.S. Pro Modus3 Tour105 ( S )
Putter - :ping-small: Craz-e
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4 hours ago, HardcoreLooper said:

In 1988, I played Hogan Apex Redlines.  My longest iron had 19* of loft and was 39.25" long.

Now, I play Cobra F8s.  My longest iron has 19* of loft and is 39.25" long.  

 

And the Apex had the number 2 on the sole--- What does the Cobra have? I am going to guess 4

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4 hours ago, HardcoreLooper said:

Amen Rev.

Plenty of people are replacing lower lofted irons with hybrids, because lower lofted irons are too hard to hit.  My older daughter is a halfway decent player (she can break 90 on a 5300 yard golf course), and the longest iron she carries is a 7.  Her highest lofted hybrid is 30*.  She can hit 5 and 6 irons, but she can't hold greens with them.  Why should she carry clubs that don't work for her?  And why should I buy them?  She was fit into a set of AP1s, 7 - PW (she liked her old wedges, so no GW), for her senior season in high school.  Saved me a ton buying just what she needed.

 

I am going to agree with you and Rev 110%---- Now I have always been able to hit long irons and still can--- But the top end of my bag has always been a little funny-- Back in the day I carried a 4 wood and a 6 wood ( 24*) but still carried and hit a 1 iron---- Now on the hybrid end I am sorta new to it---- I have finally found 2  I can hit---- That little Adams 24 in my signature I can hit several different shots with it and it has sorta became a go to club for me.  the other week I found a Adams Boxer (on the scrap pile) with an Matrix Ozik shaft in regular. That is one ugly club. I saved it for the shaft because I have a Adams Peanut 17* with a stiff shaft I can not hit. Well I always try clubs I find especially for the shaft to feel what the shaft does and to see if I want to use it. I figured with the Boxer which is 20* and off set I would hook the snot out of it. First time I used it was out on the course on a whim and I scorched it. It is a fairway finder too and with practice I found I can hit several shots with it and surprisingly I do not hook it. For some reason I control and hit it further than I do the Adams 4 wood in my signature.  So now the top end of my bag is pretty odd with no FW with 2 hybrids and a Ping Karsten 1 iron or a Tommy Armour 1 iron--- Last Saturday in a Dog Fight I hit that 20* 225 yards with the wind at my back on a Par 5. But on average I have been hitting it 210 or so.  But yep I have always believed in set make ups that get the job done with no regards to lofts etc. Most of you that know me know I have always thought outside the box. I carry the 1 iron for 2 holes at the club I am at now but if it is wet Saturday I may pull it out and put one of my Persimmon 2 woods in--- Like I said I have never been conventional and never will be

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4 wood Adams Tight Lies 

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24* Hybrid Adams A 10-OS Pro Launch Red R

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On 1/10/2020 at 2:15 PM, Middler said:

Re: standard sets - not sure if it’s good or bad, but we all have options these days, hard to see how that’s bad. Long irons are harder to buy nowadays, but they haven’t disappeared yet. My club choices are somewhat old school out of habit.

I’ve argued loft jacking several times, but I’m even tired of it. There are truths and distortions on both sides...

Old school and habit are not a bad thing------ You know what you can do with the older traditional lofts like I can---- It does not make 2 hoots to me if Joe Blow hits his super jacked up Carpenter hot steel faced PW where I hit my antique out of date Macgregor 8 iron. With me it is in my mind I am so ingrained on how far say I hit the 8 iron with the newer stuff it still says like 9 iron and is really a 7 iron but I can not get it out of my mind it is an 9 iron and I will try to kill it. So I have learned with much experimentation to do my own thing--- That is not to be misconstrued to say just because I hit old blades that every one else should too--- I have always been a proponent of play what works for you with no regard to jacked lofts or vintage. 

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4 wood Adams Tight Lies 

20* Hybrid Adams Boxer Ozik Matrix R shaft

24* Hybrid Adams A 10-OS Pro Launch Red R

Irons 5 thru PW 1980 Macgregor VIP Hogan Apex #2 shafts

SW- Macgregor LRA 56* S-400

Putter 1997 Santa Fe rusty as heck

 

 

 

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I went from standard full sent, when I was younger to what I use now; I would return.


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19 hours ago, BIG STU said:

And the Apex had the number 2 on the sole--- What does the Cobra have? I am going to guess 4

We have a winner!  Absolutely correct on both counts.

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3 Wood (16*) - :cobra-small: F8 - Aldila NV Blue 60 ( S )
2 Hybrid - Titleist 585 (17*) - Titleist 4175 ( R )
4i - LW - :cobra-small: F8 - N.S. Pro Modus3 Tour105 ( S )
Putter - :ping-small: Craz-e
Bag - :1590477705_SunMountain: 2.5 (Forest Green)
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