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3 minutes ago, Quigleyd said:

As cool as they are. i wonder how practical they will actually end up being. Also, how much damage will they cause? 

I'm no physicist but 2 fat guys in a cart weighs less than 1 fat guy on a bike?

One of our courses here just got them, also a public course. They're a client of ours so I'm hoping they let the tech guys sample them haha.

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4 minutes ago, yungkory said:

I'm no physicist but 2 fat guys in a cart weighs less than 1 fat guy on a bike?

One of our courses here just got them, also a public course. They're a client of ours so I'm hoping they let the tech guys sample them haha.

True, but 2 thin tires vs 4 very wide tires and the idea that you can go anywhere. I am not saying they will be worse. I am just curious of unintended consequences and collateral damage. 

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10 minutes ago, Quigleyd said:

As cool as they are. i wonder how practical they will actually end up being. Also, how much damage will they cause? 

I rode a couple last year on the grass, and I don't see them doing any more damage than a cart, two wheels versus 4, and they stands are designed to work in a way they dont' put a lot of pressure on the surface.   Now that said, in the hands of some drunken yahoos, they can certainly be more of a detriment than the carts.  

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1 minute ago, Quigleyd said:

True, but 2 thin tires vs 4 very wide tires and the idea that you can go anywhere. I am not saying they will be worse. I am just curious of unintended consequences and collateral damage. 

One of the tires is pretty large and designed to take most of the load.  But yeah, unintended consequences could definitely occur.   i'll be happy to report back 😛

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Just now, Golfspy_CG2 said:

I rode a couple last year on the grass, and I don't see them doing any more damage than a cart, two wheels versus 4, and they stands are designed to work in a way they dont' put a lot of pressure on the surface.   Now that said, in the hands of some drunken yahoos, they can certainly be more of a detriment than the carts.  

Cool, I have not seen one in person, I definitely like the idea. Just curious what the other side of the coin looks like. 

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9 hours ago, russtopherb said:

Good stuff! I appreciate the honesty on the Duo Soft+ results and your discussions with W/S. Looking forward to more info & pics. 

For what it's worth I have been testing golf balls all winter and for me across my entire bag the Duo is longer than any other ball I've tried.  The ball speeds are slower for sure but the distance is there.  Spin is down across the bag as well but for a guy like me that comes up short a lot I'll take the distance gain and roll out.  When Barbajo wrote the article about the new Duo+ balls he mentioned his best score ever was with the Duo.  Well, up until a year ago so was mine.  I am going to start the season with the Duo.

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Yeah, ideally we would need two, just so a two some coudl try them out.   And right there is the rub.   They are roughly $4,000 apiece, where a single golf cart is about $2,500 each.   So not saying we would replace all 150 of our carts, but I think it'd be interesting to bring at least 4 on to see how they go, and if there would be a market to rent them?
Do you have any idea how much they are going to charge per round, over and above the normal green/cart fee?

I’ll find out. They really think that the advertising is going to cause folks to come there JUST to ride them! Rounds should go up a bit. They’ll have print, radio, and TV coverage. They’re not in a big market either. 20 miles South of Lexington


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As cool as they are. i wonder how practical they will actually end up being. Also, how much damage will they cause? 

They we already had them on-course to demo and had them running just after the rain. It’s no different than cart damage. They are light! They’re not motorcycles..... They’re made for golf and golf courses. If they tore-up everything, there wouldn’t be a market for them. They probably won’t rent them out when it’s cart path only...... Not sure though


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1 minute ago, PMookie said:


They we already had them on-course to demo and had them running just after the rain. It’s no different than cart damage. They are light! They’re not motorcycles..... They’re made for golf and golf courses. If they tore-up everything, there wouldn’t be a market for them. They probably won’t rent them out when it’s cart path only...... Not sure though


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I get all that. I was just curious. Sometimes great ideas take a few alterations to make them right. It is not until they are out to the masses that you find some of these things out. 

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Yeah, ideally we would need two, just so a two some coudl try them out.   And right there is the rub.   They are roughly $4,000 apiece, where a single golf cart is about $2,500 each.   So not saying we would replace all 150 of our carts, but I think it'd be interesting to bring at least 4 on to see how they go, and if there would be a market to rent them?
Do you have any idea how much they are going to charge per round, over and above the normal green/cart fee?

I sent you a DM with my buddy’s reply.


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... John, I know how tough it is to get good pictures. If possible, can you take some pictures of clubs at address? Backs/soles of the club are interesting for sure but doesn't matter to many of us if it doesn't look right at address. It is always illuminating seeing everyone park and get on the carts and hop off moving briskly and later in the day passing those folks on their way out crawling along like a turtle LOL. Show days can be very looooooong and tiring so thanks a lot for your time and energy!


Thanks for the insight but you know how busy shows are - you are so busy you dont have time to waste talking to people who aren’t important - let alone plan out a photo shoot.

Just kidding - having way too much fun - snapping whatever pix I can so it’s gonna be what it’s gonna be


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I get all that. I was just curious. Sometimes great ideas take a few alterations to make them right. It is not until they are out to the masses that you find some of these things out. 
Asked Sun Mountain about how it affects the course - they said they’ve had zero problems in the last year. The startup is so low torque you really can’t spin the tires on normal turf. When the course is wet it won’t be a whole lot different than carts.

The bigger picture - they’re fun as hell. Out one of those bags with speakers on it and It’s goffin’ time, baby!!


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Square toe golf shoes? Mmmmm - No. Haven't worn any square toe shoes since the 70's when Fry boots were all the rage. Speakers built into a golf bag? Say it ain't so. Too bad Plaid. It's so.
 Bolt on driver face? Hmmm...yeah... maybe. I'd like to learn more about this.

Frye Boots
Flashback


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One of the tires is pretty large and designed to take most of the load.  But yeah, unintended consequences could definitely occur.   i'll be happy to report back 

Stock rental carts usually have 8” tires. Most of our carts here have 10” wide tires. Less damage and better ride.


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33 minutes ago, GolfSpy Barbajo said:

Asked Sun Mountain about how it affects the course - they said they’ve had zero problems in the last year. The startup is so low torque you really can’t spin the tires on normal turf. When the course is wet it won’t be a whole lot different than carts.

The bigger picture - they’re fun as hell. Out one of those bags with speakers on it and It’s goffin’ time, baby!!


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Thanks for the feedback and asking the right questions. They do look super fun. I will have to see if I can dig up $3500 or whatever they cost!

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Day 1 is in the books...

Started the morning at the annual KBS Breakfast meeting - Kim Braly and the team showed THE new product for 2020 - the TD Tour graphite wood shaft. Kim
Hates the R-S-X-XS classification - says it’s pretty meaningless since one company’s R in one model
Might be stiffer than someone else’s X.

The new shaft is meant for fitters and the aftermarket - no plans to sell it to OEMs at this time. Fitting is primarily based on swing speed - and each Category (there are 5 that KBS does equate to traditional flexes - Kim says that’s what the industry wants) has three different weight options.

Saw Bridgestone’s booth - they had a pipe cutter set up to slice open their new balls - the story, along with the new cover - is quality. They have 120’in-process quality checks, and every single ball is visually inspected before it can go to packaging. They’ve been doing this for years but are clearly taking aim at Callaway.

Caught up with a few people - young Tony Tuber and T-Squared putters is becoming a thing. He has a “tour” van and has been making the rounds at Florida country clubs leading up to the show. Tony graduates high school this spring and it going to The university of Tennessee in the fall. The business will go on while he’s in college.

Met with G-Tech apparel. You know those hand warmers quarterbacks wear in the cold weather? G-Tech put a lithium-battery powered heating element in them - a very cool (pardon the pun) accessory for those early spring and late fall rounds. They have heated hoodies and will be coming out with vests and quarter-zips this fall. They’ve also been named the official hand warmer of the US Ryder Cup team.

Also finally got to meet Stephen Riley of PRG - the headcover company - truly a gentleman.

Saw some sweet copper-finished MP20 blades - limited edition from Mizuno. They’re only making 500 sets and selling them for $2,020. Rumor is they sold out the first day.

Also met Baldovina Mattezino, who says he was the guy who invented the hybrid, spikeless shoe. His Italian company was displaying his latest shoes. Very European, very busy looking.

Golf Pride took a handful of media to the Orlando Magic game last night to introduce their new Team Colors MCC line. I matter what you’re favorite team is, they have colors that are close. Did learn that if the MCC line was its own company, it’d be the largest grip company on earth. That’s kind of impressive.

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Good stuff John!!  Man I miss being there.  Won't miss next year for sure! 

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Nothing from Arccos on the Link.  Pretty disappointed in Arccos 

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14 minutes ago, jlukes said:

Nothing from Arccos on the Link.  Pretty disappointed in Arccos 

I really like the data arccos provided and it was pretty helpful,  but some late season hiccups with it were too frustrating to deal with. So I'll probably start the year without it in my clubs.  

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4 minutes ago, Golfspy_CG2 said:

I really like the data arccos provided and it was pretty helpful,  but some late season hiccups with it were too frustrating to deal with. So I'll probably start the year without it in my clubs.  

Yup. They don't seem to be prioritizing the user experience. 

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