Jump to content

Is an aftermarket shaft worth it?


Recommended Posts

Our Sponsors

9 hours ago, Golfmanufaktur said:

 It comes down to some simple things. First of all, it's about getting length, weight and balance in the correct ballpark. Next this is somewho related to EI curve and torque - it's about feel and trust. If you get a combination, a player feels comfortable with, he will perform nicely with it. If you have a setup, a player doesn't like the feel of, they will struggle to produce consistent results.

Cheers,

Michael

 

... Great point Michael! I was playing the Atmos TS Blue in my F9 and loved the feel and the trajectory, distance was good and the only improvement would be lowering the spin. Easier said than done as you well know. I picked up an Atmos TS Black and hit some of my longest drives with it. But the bend profile and feel was stouter than I am comfortable using and the Black just didn't "feel" like it was loading or unloading and I found myself attempting to swing harder (not faster) trying to get that comfortable feel. I want to feel that release and kick thru impact. When shafts I like are properly timed I am having a great driving day and on my slightly off tempo days I am aware I am not swinging as well and make adjustment accordingly. With a shaft that does not feel like it is unloading correctly, even if the performance is there, I am making unnecessary adjustments to get the feel I am comfortable with. 

  • Like 1

Driver:   TaylorMade SIM Max ... Diamana Limited 55R
Utility:   Callaway Super Hybrid 17*   ... Diamana Limited 65R
               TaylorMade DHy 19* ... Diamana Limited 65R
Irons:    4-Gw Titleist T100-S ... Steelfiber 95 r-flex
Wedges:  SM6 52* F Grind ... Steelfiber 95 r-flex
                 SM7D & SM8M 58* ... Steelfiber 95 r-flex
Putter:  Newport 2.5 at 33.5"
Ball:  TaylorMade TP5

Link to post
Share on other sites
  • 1 month later...
  • Replies 72
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

Top Posters In This Topic

Popular Posts

Let's re-arrange these questions in the order you should be asking them. Should I get fit for a driver? Is the $100-$150 worth it?  In my opinion, absolutely yes.  From the sound of things you've

... As a life long shaft-a-holic there really is no standard answer to this question. For myself, once I found the type off shaft that gives me the best numbers, there is not much difference between s

if you don't want aftermarket, you should at least get fit for the stock shafts.   You should be able to find something withing their offering that works the best for your swing.   Most manufacturers

I think it depends. I have been trying to get more serious about my golf game and trying to play in competitions. I recently got a new driver with the new VA Nemesys shaft. It is a mid-high launch, low spin shaft, which is not easy to find in any stock shaft. Most low spin shafts are also low launch, so this made a big difference for me with driver, being someone who has a negative angle of attack with all of my clubs.

:callaway-small: Mavrik Subzero, 9.5*, VA Nemesys 75, Golfpride MCC Align Midsize

:callaway-small: Mavrik Max Fairway Wood, 15*, Stock shaft, Golfpride MCC Midsize

:titelist-small: Titleist U500 21*, Hzrdus Smoke Stiff, Golfpride MCC Midsize

:benhogan-small: 2020 Ben Hogan Icon Irons 8-PW, Project X LZ, Golfpride MCC Midsize

:benhogan-small: 2020 Ben Hogan PTxPro Irons 4-7, Project X LZ, Golfpride MCC Midsize

:titelist-small: Vokey SM8 50*, 54*, 60*, Stock vokey shaft, Golfpride MCC Midsize

:cameron-small: Scotty Cameron California Mid-Mallet

Link to post
Share on other sites
  • 2 weeks later...

I just had an experience that changed my thoughts on this. I just went through a fitting at Club Champion, and I went in fully expecting to upgrade my driver shaft (I was even looking forward to it). I had always figured that an aftermarket shaft would improve my driving. But after hitting a number of shaft and head combinations, we discovered that none of the shafts performed any better than my current "made-for" shaft. I play a 10.5º M5 with a Tensei CK Orange 60. The point being, getting fit for the right shaft is more important than just deciding you need to play such and such aftermarket shaft because everyone says it's the best shaft they've ever played. Good luck.

  • Like 1

Driver: image.png.6d315d10311d9b38d0ca9cad952650b6.png M5 10.5 - Tensei CK Orange 60s
3W: image.png.6d315d10311d9b38d0ca9cad952650b6.png RBZ
5W: image.png.6d315d10311d9b38d0ca9cad952650b6.png SLDR
4-GW: image.png.9df0e471af2d5b9a0272d4536f1043b0.png JPX-EZ Forged - Dynamic Gold X100
Wedges: image.png.b244c1dbed7bae5489798af85f00ca52.png SM7 52 & 60
Putter: image.png.6d315d10311d9b38d0ca9cad952650b6.png TM110

 

image.png

Link to post
Share on other sites
13 minutes ago, Ben Larsen said:

I just had an experience that changed my thoughts on this. I just went through a fitting at Club Champion, and I went in fully expecting to upgrade my driver shaft (I was even looking forward to it). I had always figured that an aftermarket shaft would improve my driving. But after hitting a number of shaft and head combinations, we discovered that none of the shafts performed any better than my current "made-for" shaft. I play a 10.5º M5 with a Tensei CK Orange 60. The point being, getting fit for the right shaft is more important than just deciding you need to play such and such aftermarket shaft because everyone says it's the best shaft they've ever played. Good luck.

 

... I am not aware of a CK Orange "made for" shaft, although Taylor Made might have one. But the CK Orange is my aftermarket shaft and beat out my Tour Rogue Black 110. I have a CK Pro Orange coming but honestly expect the non Pro version to work better for my swing, but I got a deal that was too good to pass up. That said, I agree there are "made for" shafts that can fit a player as well or better than a more expensive aftermarket shaft. 

  • Like 3

Driver:   TaylorMade SIM Max ... Diamana Limited 55R
Utility:   Callaway Super Hybrid 17*   ... Diamana Limited 65R
               TaylorMade DHy 19* ... Diamana Limited 65R
Irons:    4-Gw Titleist T100-S ... Steelfiber 95 r-flex
Wedges:  SM6 52* F Grind ... Steelfiber 95 r-flex
                 SM7D & SM8M 58* ... Steelfiber 95 r-flex
Putter:  Newport 2.5 at 33.5"
Ball:  TaylorMade TP5

Link to post
Share on other sites
2 minutes ago, chisag said:

 

... I am not aware of a CK Orange "made for" shaft, although Taylor Made might have one. But the CK Orange is my aftermarket shaft and beat out my Tour Rogue Black 110. I have a CK Pro Orange coming but honestly expect the non Pro version to work better for my swing, but I got a deal that was too good to pass up. That said, I agree there are "made for" shafts that can fit a player as well or better than a more expensive aftermarket shaft. 

Yeah, the CK is in kind of an inbetween category I would say. I say made for because it was the shaft that came with my M5. But unlike most made-for shafts, MCA actually posts specs and information about the CK on their website, not just the CK pro. That alone leads me to believe it is still a very high quality shaft, and thus a much better shaft than most stock shafts.

  • Like 1

Driver: image.png.6d315d10311d9b38d0ca9cad952650b6.png M5 10.5 - Tensei CK Orange 60s
3W: image.png.6d315d10311d9b38d0ca9cad952650b6.png RBZ
5W: image.png.6d315d10311d9b38d0ca9cad952650b6.png SLDR
4-GW: image.png.9df0e471af2d5b9a0272d4536f1043b0.png JPX-EZ Forged - Dynamic Gold X100
Wedges: image.png.b244c1dbed7bae5489798af85f00ca52.png SM7 52 & 60
Putter: image.png.6d315d10311d9b38d0ca9cad952650b6.png TM110

 

image.png

Link to post
Share on other sites

I have been debating on going to Club Champion. I don't even know if they are doing standard fittings right now. What I've always been curious about with their fittings is that I've always played a 44" driver and have no interest in playing a longer club. I've always put my sticks together. I'm currently gaming a Cobra F7+ and I have 4 different shafts for it. I don't know how much I would gain from a fitting, but I don't know how the fitting would go if I don't want to play a longer shaft. I also have a weight kit for it and am playing it heavier than standard. Temptation is always dangerous, but it's pretty tempting to just buy a newer Cobra and just use the shafts I already have. A newer head would require a new weight kit, but that's also easy to get.

Link to post
Share on other sites

I thought this was worth the share since a test was finally done on the OG Velocore Ventus Vs the Taylormade non-velocore Ventus. I think they make some good points in here.


  • Like 3

#COBRACONNECT CHALLENGE 4 ALUMNUS

:cobra-small: Speedzone Driver 10.5 - Ventus Blue 6X

:cobra-small: Speedzone 5-wood - Ventus Blue 8S

:cobra-small: Speedzone 4-Hybrid - KBS Proto 85S vs :titelist-small: 818 H1 - Tensei Blue 70s

:cobra-small: KING Forged Tec 5-GW - PX LZ 6.5

:cobra-small: KING MIM Black 52.12 Classic, 56.10 Versatile, 60.04 Widelow - KBS 610 Wedge

:EVNROLL: ER2B

:titelist-small: Pro V1x vs :Snell: MTB-X vs :bridgestone-small: Tour B X

:918457628_PrecisionPro: NX9 HD Slope

 

#cuetheduckboats

 

Link to post
Share on other sites
19 minutes ago, B.Boston said:

I thought this was worth the share since a test was finally done on the OG Velocore Ventus Vs the Taylormade non-velocore Ventus. I think they make some good points in here.

 

I didn't watch the full video, but Matt was hitting hooks with with the non-Velocore shaft. His dispersion was much better with the Velocore.

Follow my golf journey to break into the 80s

Current tester for the Titleist TSi Driver

Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft

Updated 10/6/2020
Driver:taylormade-small:SIM Max 10.5 - Fujikura Ventus Red 5S Velocore (the real one)
Hybrids:taylormade-small: SIM Max 3H, 4H - Matrix Ozik 85S
Irons:callaway-small:Mavrik Max 5 - AW - Nippon Neo 950GH S
Wedges: :cleveland-small: CBX 2 54, CBX Full Face 58 - Nippon Modus 105 Wedge flex
Putter:  LAB Golf Directed Force 2.1

Current Putter Collection: LAB Golf DIrected Force 1, :cleveland-small: HB Soft Premier #11, :cameron-small: La Costa 1st 500, :scotty-small: Squareback 1 (2008)
 

Link to post
Share on other sites
21 minutes ago, dlow206 said:

I didn't watch the full video, but Matt was hitting hooks with with the non-Velocore shaft. His dispersion was much better with the Velocore.

Numbers wise everything is close enough to be a wash but the standard deviation is slightly better with the velocore version which is what the shaft is designed to do.

for those interested in the difference between the two versions around the 3 min mark Ian talks about them and it’s not just the using non 70t material. The taper design is different and he even mentions that they really aren’t the same shaft. 

  • Like 2

Driver: Titleist 917D3 9.5 with Graphite Design MAD Pro 65g S

Wood: Titleist 917F2 with UST Mamiya Helium 5F4

Hybrid: Titleist 816H1 21 with Atmos Blue 85 S

Irons: Titleist 718 AP3 4i, 718 CB 5-6, MB 7-9 with KBS $ Taper 125

Wedges: Vokey SM7 46/50/54/60 with DG s200

Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1

Ball: Titleist Prov1

Link to post
Share on other sites
Numbers wise everything is close enough to be a wash but the standard deviation is slightly better with the velocore version which is what the shaft is designed to do.
for those interested in the difference between the two versions around the 3 min mark Ian talks about them and it’s not just the using non 70t material. The taper design is different and he even mentions that they really aren’t the same shaft. 

Yeah I really liked that part of it. To this point I hadn’t seen anything close to that kind of detail about the two shafts design.
I also liked that they gave it a fair shake and even Matt said it wasn’t a ‘bad shaft’ but they both clearly don’t like that its called a Ventus.
The change in strike location consistency was actually kind of amazing allowing for the fact that Matt is an elite ball striker.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

#COBRACONNECT CHALLENGE 4 ALUMNUS

:cobra-small: Speedzone Driver 10.5 - Ventus Blue 6X

:cobra-small: Speedzone 5-wood - Ventus Blue 8S

:cobra-small: Speedzone 4-Hybrid - KBS Proto 85S vs :titelist-small: 818 H1 - Tensei Blue 70s

:cobra-small: KING Forged Tec 5-GW - PX LZ 6.5

:cobra-small: KING MIM Black 52.12 Classic, 56.10 Versatile, 60.04 Widelow - KBS 610 Wedge

:EVNROLL: ER2B

:titelist-small: Pro V1x vs :Snell: MTB-X vs :bridgestone-small: Tour B X

:918457628_PrecisionPro: NX9 HD Slope

 

#cuetheduckboats

 

Link to post
Share on other sites
9 minutes ago, B.Boston said:


Yeah I really liked that part of it. To this point I hadn’t seen anything close to that kind of detail about the two shafts design.
I also liked that they gave it a fair shake and even Matt said it wasn’t a ‘bad shaft’ but they both clearly don’t like that its called a Ventus.
The change in strike location consistency was actually kind of amazing allowing for the fact that Matt is an elite ball striker.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Yeah matt seems to do better with stiffer profile shafts especially those with stiffer tip like what’s in the velocore version.

The discussion around value was a nice piece to the video. Slower swing speeds may not see a difference that’s worth spending $250 for the upgrade or $350 aftermarket. Someone with higher speeds like Matt may feel the stability is worth it

  • Like 1

Driver: Titleist 917D3 9.5 with Graphite Design MAD Pro 65g S

Wood: Titleist 917F2 with UST Mamiya Helium 5F4

Hybrid: Titleist 816H1 21 with Atmos Blue 85 S

Irons: Titleist 718 AP3 4i, 718 CB 5-6, MB 7-9 with KBS $ Taper 125

Wedges: Vokey SM7 46/50/54/60 with DG s200

Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1

Ball: Titleist Prov1

Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, B.Boston said:

I thought this was worth the share since a test was finally done on the OG Velocore Ventus Vs the Taylormade non-velocore Ventus. I think they make some good points in here.

Beat me to it.  I love what these guys are doing and the knowledge he shares.

Mass production or made for shafts could work very well for a large group of golfers even if the higher end shafts with better materials will likely be a bit better for dispersion and likely feel.

  • Like 1

Driver:  image.png.3c6db1120d888f669e07d4a8f890b3f1.pngMavrik Sub Zero 9* (Set to 10) Ventus Blue 6X

3 Wood: :titelist-small: 917F2 Fujikura Pro 84 Tour Spec S

3 Hybrid: :titelist-small: 818 H2 Hybrid Tensei Blue 80 X

Irons 4-PW: :mizuno-small: MP 18 SC Dynamic Gold AMT X

Gap/Sand Wedge:  :titelist-small: Vokey SM6 49*  SM8 54* 

Lob Wedge:  image.png.3c6db1120d888f669e07d4a8f890b3f1.pngJaws 5 Wedge 58* DG Tour Issue Stiff

Putter:  image.png.cca2328f4144a299c795aa9b8f3bf677.png Inovai 6.0              :scotty-small: Pro Platinum Newport 2 35"  

Link to post
Share on other sites
  • 3 weeks later...

To keep with what everyone else is saying,  play what works best for you,   When epic came out, Hzrdus t800 (made for callaway], beat out everything

Driver: Taylormade SIM Max d 9 with graphite design tour ad xc 6s

Fairway Wood:Taylormade Sim 15 with Graphite design Tour ad iz 6s
Hybrid:  Pxg gen2 19 with hand crafted hzrdus black 85 6.0 and Adams super ls xtd 22 with Diamana s+  stiff

Irons: 5-pw Miura Mc501 with modus 120s pured

Wedges:  Callaway md2 gold 50 Dg tour issue s400 black onyx, Taylormade MG 54 with DG tour issue s400 black onyx, and Taylormade hi toe 59 with modus 120r

Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

×
×
  • Create New...