Bstrick Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 First post for me. Looking to get some opinions here. For reference: I am a 12 handicap. Got my first ever fitting for a new club being a driver Mavrik. The fitter at Rodger Dunn put in a Mavrik Sub Zero with Extra Stiff Shaft 60g. I was averageing 108-109 Club head speed. I have a positive AoA of about 2.5 to 3.5. I am not the best ball striker. I tend to hit the ball in either the center or heel strike. The Mavrik has blocked out the left side of the course which is fine since my miss is more consistent now; being a light to heavy fade. My normal iron shape is a light draw, my previous driver was a Nike Vapor in stiff flex and I was battling a two way miss with that club with a lot of ballooning shots. My current swing fault is an aggresive in to out path which I am working on fixing. After reading some reviews of the driver am now left wonder did I get put into the wrong driver. Has something like this happen to any one else? Quote Mavrik Sub Zero, 10.5° - ROGUE White 130 M.S.I. 60X F7 3 Wood - 818 H1 21° - Tensei 70hy S - Vapor Fly Pro 4-GW - True Temper XP 95 S300 RTX-3 CB 54° and 60° Versa H7, 34" BXS Smart Sensors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEZIPR23 Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 Why do you think you were put in the wrong driver? HardcoreLooper and cnosil 2 Quote Stealth 2+ 9 (Diamana PD 60 S 45") Stealth 2+ 15 (Diamana PD 70 S 43") G425 19 (Raijin 2.0 85x) G425 22 (Raijin 2.0 85x) ZX7 5-9 (KBS C Taper S) Vokey SM9 45 10 F (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 49 08 F (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 55 08 M (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 59 04 T (KBS 610) Spider GT Splitback 34" ProV1 #23 Twitter @THEZIPR23 "One thing Golf has taught me, is that my muscles have no memory." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bstrick Posted February 5, 2020 Author Share Posted February 5, 2020 1. Hitting the heel strikes is generating some of the excess spin right now so if I can get more center I will lose some of that spin. Could I be losing distance because of the lower spin? 2. Since I dont perfectly strike the center every swing could I be losing out on distance with a more tour perfomance head? Quote Mavrik Sub Zero, 10.5° - ROGUE White 130 M.S.I. 60X F7 3 Wood - 818 H1 21° - Tensei 70hy S - Vapor Fly Pro 4-GW - True Temper XP 95 S300 RTX-3 CB 54° and 60° Versa H7, 34" BXS Smart Sensors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEZIPR23 Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 What was spin on good strike? My guess is that he put you in that head because of the heel strikes trying to get the spin down. The sub zero is a reduced spin head, not necessarily a tour performance head. PMookie and HardcoreLooper 2 Quote Stealth 2+ 9 (Diamana PD 60 S 45") Stealth 2+ 15 (Diamana PD 70 S 43") G425 19 (Raijin 2.0 85x) G425 22 (Raijin 2.0 85x) ZX7 5-9 (KBS C Taper S) Vokey SM9 45 10 F (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 49 08 F (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 55 08 M (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 59 04 T (KBS 610) Spider GT Splitback 34" ProV1 #23 Twitter @THEZIPR23 "One thing Golf has taught me, is that my muscles have no memory." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bstrick Posted February 5, 2020 Author Share Posted February 5, 2020 I was around 2000 rpm when I was getting close to center. On my heel strikes I was closer to 3000. Quote Mavrik Sub Zero, 10.5° - ROGUE White 130 M.S.I. 60X F7 3 Wood - 818 H1 21° - Tensei 70hy S - Vapor Fly Pro 4-GW - True Temper XP 95 S300 RTX-3 CB 54° and 60° Versa H7, 34" BXS Smart Sensors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEZIPR23 Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 2000 with the info provided is almost perfect. 3k is getting high and why I believe he put you in that head. Basically you have eliminated the left side of the course, stopped the balloons and when striking the center getting good numbers. Give it some time and see how it does on course but I wouldn't think the fit was bad. Rickp, cnosil and GolfSpy BOS 3 Quote Stealth 2+ 9 (Diamana PD 60 S 45") Stealth 2+ 15 (Diamana PD 70 S 43") G425 19 (Raijin 2.0 85x) G425 22 (Raijin 2.0 85x) ZX7 5-9 (KBS C Taper S) Vokey SM9 45 10 F (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 49 08 F (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 55 08 M (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 59 04 T (KBS 610) Spider GT Splitback 34" ProV1 #23 Twitter @THEZIPR23 "One thing Golf has taught me, is that my muscles have no memory." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, Bstrick said: I was around 2000 rpm when I was getting close to center. On my heel strikes I was closer to 3000. How did the mavrik compare to your current driver? Did you go in only wanting a mavrik? If not did the fitter have you hit other drivers and how did those compare? did you hit other shafts in the mavrik? what information did you gather in reading about the mavrik that has you questioning the fit? cnosil 1 Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bstrick Posted February 6, 2020 Author Share Posted February 6, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, RickyBobby_PR said: How did the mavrik compare to your current driver? Did you go in only wanting a mavrik? If not did the fitter have you hit other drivers and how did those compare? did you hit other shafts in the mavrik? what information did you gather in reading about the mavrik that has you questioning the fit? The Mavrik SZ is much better for me than the Nike driver it replaced. I gained about 10 to 15 yards off the tee, my club head speed increased by 3-4 mph with the Mavrik. The problem with the Nike was that the spin rate was at 3700+rpm, after a shaft change I was still hover around 3000. I went in wanting to try the new cobra and mavrik. After trying both I liked the look, feel, sound of the mavrik more than the cobra. I then tried a couple different shafts, I started off trying the 60 and I believe the 70 stiff shaft. The fitter told me that I am right between needing a stiff and extra stiff shaft, which I could see as I was still able to get the ball to draw and fade. The fitter then swapped in the extra stiff shaft the miss came more to the middle or a fade. I tried the 60g and 70g shafts; the 70g shaft felt heavy to me. The 60g felt the smoothest to me. The information I was reading was that Mavrik has more forgiveness with a little bit higher spin then the Mavrik SZ. My worry is that with my handicap and ball striking ability that I could be losing distance with the sub zero head. Also could the combo of the sub zero head and extra stiff shaft block me from hitting a draw with the driver when I need it. Probably an odd worry to have with my handicap but none the less its a worry for me. Edited February 6, 2020 by Bstrick Quote Mavrik Sub Zero, 10.5° - ROGUE White 130 M.S.I. 60X F7 3 Wood - 818 H1 21° - Tensei 70hy S - Vapor Fly Pro 4-GW - True Temper XP 95 S300 RTX-3 CB 54° and 60° Versa H7, 34" BXS Smart Sensors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardcoreLooper Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 Did you hit the regular Mavrik as well as the SZ? And I'll take a manageable one-way miss with added length over the ability to turn the ball both ways but miss both ways. Can you draw a three wood? I know plenty of players better than me that fade their driver exclusively and use a three wood of the tee to hit a draw. cnosil and THEZIPR23 2 Quote What's in the bag: Driver - F8 - Aldila NV Blue 60 ( S ) 3 Wood (13.5*) - 980F 4 Wood (18*) - F8 - Aldila NV Blue 60 ( S ) 3 Hybrid (19*) - RBZ 4i - PW - D7 Forged - Recoil 760 ( S ) 52* - CBX 58* - CBX Full Face 2 Putter - Craz-e Bag - 2.5 (Blue) Ball - AVX Instagram - @hardcorelooper Twitter - @meovino Facebook - mike.eovino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 7 hours ago, Bstrick said: The Mavrik SZ is much better for me than the Nike driver it replaced. I gained about 10 to 15 yards off the tee, my club head speed increased by 3-4 mph with the Mavrik. The problem with the Nike was that the spin rate was at 3700+rpm, after a shaft change I was still hover around 3000. I went in wanting to try the new cobra and mavrik. After trying both I liked the look, feel, sound of the mavrik more than the cobra. I then tried a couple different shafts, I started off trying the 60 and I believe the 70 stiff shaft. The fitter told me that I am right between needing a stiff and extra stiff shaft, which I could see as I was still able to get the ball to draw and fade. The fitter then swapped in the extra stiff shaft the miss came more to the middle or a fade. I tried the 60g and 70g shafts; the 70g shaft felt heavy to me. The 60g felt the smoothest to me. The information I was reading was that Mavrik has more forgiveness with a little bit higher spin then the Mavrik SZ. My worry is that with my handicap and ball striking ability that I could be losing distance with the sub zero head. Also could the combo of the sub zero head and extra stiff shaft block me from hitting a draw with the driver when I need it. Probably an odd worry to have with my handicap but none the less its a worry for me. Increased distance and speed are always nice gains and playing one side of the course and eliminating the other side makes course management even easier. Well the mavrik sz is a different design than the mavrik so what you are reading is either a combo of people seeing the difference in design between the two, mavrik sz being a bad fit for someone compared to the mavrik. while it’s nice to be able to work the ball both ways there’s pros with major wins that only hit one shot 5 hours ago, HardcoreLooper said: Did you hit the regular Mavrik as well as the SZ? And I'll take a manageable one-way miss with added length over the ability to turn the ball both ways but miss both ways. Can you draw a three wood? I know plenty of players better than me that fade their driver exclusively and use a three wood of the tee to hit a draw. I’m with you on wanting to know if regular mavrik was hit. I’m also in the give me a one way miss and not have to worry about the other side of the course. cnosil and edingc 2 Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonMUSC08 Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 Its easy to second guess if something else could have been better. I did it last year when I got the M6 bc the Rogue was a good 10yds longer BUT I hit the M6 WAY more consistent. The rogue was all over the place on mishits. If you're hitting the SZ consistent and know where the ball will go more often than not, then its the right fit. Hitting more fairways will help your game much much more than getting 5 more yards. Take a quick lesson and make a slight adjustment to your swing and the Mavrik will work even better. Mishits will always be higher spin but if your center strikes are low 2000's then its great. PMookie, cnosil and HardcoreLooper 3 Quote Charleston, SC HDCP 13.0 Driver: M6 9* with 65g Stiff Mitsubishi Tensei Red shaft 3 wood: G425 stiff shaft 5 wood: Stealth 2 stiff shaft 4-gw irons: JPX 921 Hot Metal w/ X-stiff KBS 130gr shafts (soft stepped) Wedges: MG3 52, 56, 60 Putter: 34" Scotty Cameron 12.5 Ball: ProV-1x Tracked By: MGS Tester '20 - G710 Iron Review MGS Tester '19 - Precision Pro NX9 HD Pro laser rangefinder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 3 minutes ago, JonMUSC08 said: Its easy to second guess if something else could have been better. I did it last year when I got the M6 bc the Rogue was a good 10yds longer BUT I hit the M6 WAY more consistent. The rogue was all over the place on mishits. If you're hitting the SZ consistent and know where the ball will go more often than not, then its the right fit. Hitting more fairways will help your game much much more than getting 5 more yards. Take a quick lesson and make a slight adjustment to your swing and the Mavrik will work even better. Mishits will always be higher spin but if your center strikes are low 2000's then its great. Shots high in the face will have less spin than middle and low on the face will have more. Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bstrick Posted February 6, 2020 Author Share Posted February 6, 2020 11 hours ago, HardcoreLooper said: Did you hit the regular Mavrik as well as the SZ? And I'll take a manageable one-way miss with added length over the ability to turn the ball both ways but miss both ways. Can you draw a three wood? I know plenty of players better than me that fade their driver exclusively and use a three wood of the tee to hit a draw. I hit the standard mavrik then the sub zero. My normal three wood shape is a light draw off the tee right now. So probably right that I could just use the three wood off the tee. HardcoreLooper 1 Quote Mavrik Sub Zero, 10.5° - ROGUE White 130 M.S.I. 60X F7 3 Wood - 818 H1 21° - Tensei 70hy S - Vapor Fly Pro 4-GW - True Temper XP 95 S300 RTX-3 CB 54° and 60° Versa H7, 34" BXS Smart Sensors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 6 minutes ago, Bstrick said: I hit the standard mavrik then the sub zero. My normal three wood shape is a light draw off the tee right now. So probably right that I could just use the three wood off the tee. What were the results of the standard mavrik compared to both your old driver and the sub zero? Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 Reading through your comments it sounds like a good fit. More consistency than the old driver. Mishits always create havoc so work on better contact....that is my problem as well. Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trentyoung33 Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 From your comments, I think the SZ was a better fit than the standard Mavrik. It sounds like with the ideal strike, your numbers are very good, and with heel shot mishits, the SZ will help to keep the spin number down. If you went with the standard Mavrik, those heel shots would spin very high and you'd likely lose distance. I would definitely take a one way miss over being able to consistently shape the ball both ways, as others have said. Quote Driver: Mavrik SZ - GD XC-7X 3 Wood: Taylormade SIM - GD AD-DI 7X Hybrids: Apex 20* - GD AD-DI 95X Irons: Apex Pro '19 - DG X100 4-PW Wedges: SM7 Putter: Spider X Chalk Ball: ProV1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BMart519 Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 With your clubhead speed and positive angle of attack, I dont think you have anything to worry about in terms of losing distance. As other have mentioned, the sub zero will help to keep your heel strikes more manageable with lower spin. The only downside to the subzero model is if you start hitting high toe misses and the spin is so low that it causes knuckle balls that tend to hook and drop quickly. I experienced this demoing a non sub zero draw version of the Epic Flash. The moral of the story is focus on good contact since the numbers you have provided indicate you will get strong performance from the Mavrik SZ. Quote G425 MAX Driver & 5W Baffler Rail-H 3H-4H 699 Pro Utility V2 - 4i APEX CF19 6-AW INDI Wedges 52, 56, 60 EAS 2.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayjay0808 Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 2 hours ago, BMart519 said: With your clubhead speed and positive angle of attack, I dont think you have anything to worry about in terms of losing distance. As other have mentioned, the sub zero will help to keep your heel strikes more manageable with lower spin. The only downside to the subzero model is if you start hitting high toe misses and the spin is so low that it causes knuckle balls that tend to hook and drop quickly. I experienced this demoing a non sub zero draw version of the Epic Flash. The moral of the story is focus on good contact since the numbers you have provided indicate you will get strong performance from the Mavrik SZ. I agree with this 100%. My ss is right with the original poster and your miss is my exact, low heel. The Sub Zero is what offered me the best on my most common miss and best strikes. I dont tend to hit high toe so low spin was not a concern. Quote In my bag: Driver: Rogue ST Triple Diamond LS 10.5* (set to 9.5) UST Lin-Q Gunmetal 6f5 Wood: Tsi2 15* Project X RDX Black 70 6.5 Hybrids: King Utility 19.5* Diamana Tensei White Pro 90TX Irons: Cobra King Tour MIM 4-PW Dynamic Gold 120 X100 Wedges: Milled Grind 3 50*, 54*, 58* Tour Issue S400 Putter: Nashville Z1C 34" Ball: Pro V1x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rtracymog Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 If you’re heeling the ball often, did you try a shorter shaft? That could help with the heel miss. Don’t forget if you see the ball falling out of the sky early, try adding some loft.Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Quote Cortex w/MGS Motore X F1 7X tipped 1" F5 17 degree hybrid w/Rogue Black 85X C300 Forged 3-5 w/C-Taper 130X FG Tour V6 5-6 w/C-Taper 130X Staff Model Blade 7-PW w/C-Taper 130X RTX4 52, 56, 60 w/S400 Tour Issue ER7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bstrick Posted February 16, 2020 Author Share Posted February 16, 2020 I was able to put a lot of range time over the last 3 weeks since picking up the mavrik sz. I was able to get my path straightened out which has greatly improved my contact. The last two days at the range I was checking my contact and it much more centered. This is the best I felt with a driver in my hands since picking up golf again 2 years ago. No more seconds guessing the fitting. GolfSpy BOS, THEZIPR23, cnosil and 1 other 4 Quote Mavrik Sub Zero, 10.5° - ROGUE White 130 M.S.I. 60X F7 3 Wood - 818 H1 21° - Tensei 70hy S - Vapor Fly Pro 4-GW - True Temper XP 95 S300 RTX-3 CB 54° and 60° Versa H7, 34" BXS Smart Sensors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy BOS Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 On 2/16/2020 at 12:35 AM, Bstrick said: I was able to put a lot of range time over the last 3 weeks since picking up the mavrik sz. I was able to get my path straightened out which has greatly improved my contact. The last two days at the range I was checking my contact and it much more centered. This is the best I felt with a driver in my hands since picking up golf again 2 years ago. No more seconds guessing the fitting. good to hear you gained confidence with what the fitter recommended! When I was being fit for a new driver I tried to not pay attention to what the fitter was doing and just trusting what he said/did. Its not always easy, but with the multiple fittings I've had they haven't been wrong yet. Quote Epic Max LS 10.5 - Motore X F3 6X | Speedzone 5-wood - Ventus Blue 8S | TSi3 20* Hybrid - KBS Proto 85S SMS Pro 4-PW - Steelfiber i110S | MG3 Raw Black 50.09, 54.11, 58.11 - DG TI S200 ER2B | Pro V1x | NX9 Slope | Jones Trouper R | CaddyLite EZ v8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canam13 Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 On 2/12/2020 at 5:37 PM, trentyoung33 said: From your comments, I think the SZ was a better fit than the standard Mavrik. It sounds like with the ideal strike, your numbers are very good, and with heel shot mishits, the SZ will help to keep the spin number down. If you went with the standard Mavrik, those heel shots would spin very high and you'd likely lose distance. I would definitely take a one way miss over being able to consistently shape the ball both ways, as others have said. I would have to agree with this as well. Sounds like you work out the mishits in the face area and all is well. Good luck with the new Mavrik, the Sz is a great head. Quote Sim 9* - Diamana white board S 3W - M2 HL 16.5 Diamana white board X-flex 19 & 23 deg. X-Hot Hybrids Fuji Pro 70 hyb S-flex 5-PW I500 - Modus3 105 S-flex Glide 3.0 50,54 & 60 - Custom grinds- ZZ wedge shafts Rosa 34 1/2" winn grip Ball - Tour BX / Maxfli Tour X 14/5 BAG on a 2.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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