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2 hours ago, jlarose said:

I wear an Apple Watch and need a some help.  I’ve been searching everywhere and cannot find any videos or anyone talking about how well or how sucky the experience is with Arccos using their Apple Watch to track shots instead of their phone in the front pocket.

It feels like both Shotscope V3 & Arccos “miss” shots.  I already have an Apple Watch.  
 

Can someone convince me why I should buy Shotscope V3 (swap watches) over Arccos?  I am open to both systems and have used neither.  

I don't have any personal experience with SS, but used Arccos for about 6 months before I ditched it. For me, it just missed too many putts for me to get over the annoyance of having to play with my phone in my pocket (I don't have an iWatch). Pulling my phone out of pocket to set pin locations, only for it to miss my putt, was disappointing. It didn't happen every time, but it happened often enough for it to be too annoying to keep using. If you can wait, I suggest waiting for Arccos Link before purchasing either of the two. From what I've seen, Arccos' dashboard looks better than Shotscope's, but as I admitted already I have not used SS.

I was interested in Shotscope V3 because I have small, flat wrist bones and the V2 would probably look like a 65" TV on my wrist, but I don't know if I could play golf with a watch on. Was hoping to be able to secure it to my belt loop but as @MattF said, it won't work. Might still try it though because my wallet is itchy and I like stats.

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When I was still using V2 and I couldn't attach a tag to my new driver yet, @downlowkey suggested I keep the loose driver tag in a pocket. Since I don't usually have pockets, I kept it in the waist band of my skirt. Before hitting my driver, I would touch the face of the watch to the driver tag (thru the fabric, I didn't remove it) to secure the link and then hit my driver. It worked. It always recorded where I hit my drive from. And the tag must have been far enough away from the watch to not interfere with other tags because it never showed that I was hitting my driver when I hit other clubs.

@downlowkey also taught me that if I walked to my ball carrying more than one club (especially in my watch hand) that the watch can get confused about which club to record. I would touch the watch to the tag of the club I chose to use to make sure the connection was made with the correct club at that location. That also worked.

I assume that the watch is not recording actual hits but is recording each GPS location. Sometimes I hit two drives off the first tee but the watch doesn't know how many practice swings vs hits I made, so it only shows one drive (one GPS location). Then it picks up the next GPS location from the ball I choose to use and records the length of only that drive.

The next time I play with my new V3, I will try to remember touch the watch to the tag on each club just before I hit it. If we need to sometimes "wake up" the watch to make the connection, then maybe this will be a simple foolproof method. Better for me than spending energy on multiple practice swings.

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Finally showed up today when I got home from the course. Charged it, did firmware update and hopefully it works well for my round tomorrow.  I must say, it's a lot more comfortable for me than the V2

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2 hours ago, JY56 said:

Finally showed up today when I got home from the course. Charged it, did firmware update and hopefully it works well for my round tomorrow.  I must say, it's a lot more comfortable for me than the V2

Damn... finally!

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3 hours ago, artful_golfer said:

When I was still using V2 and I couldn't attach a tag to my new driver yet, @downlowkey suggested I keep the loose driver tag in a pocket. Since I don't usually have pockets, I kept it in the waist band of my skirt. Before hitting my driver, I would touch the face of the watch to the driver tag (thru the fabric, I didn't remove it) to secure the link and then hit my driver. It worked. It always recorded where I hit my drive from. And the tag must have been far enough away from the watch to not interfere with other tags because it never showed that I was hitting my driver when I hit other clubs.

@downlowkey also taught me that if I walked to my ball carrying more than one club (especially in my watch hand) that the watch can get confused about which club to record. I would touch the watch to the tag of the club I chose to use to make sure the connection was made with the correct club at that location. That also worked.

I assume that the watch is not recording actual hits but is recording each GPS location. Sometimes I hit two drives off the first tee but the watch doesn't know how many practice swings vs hits I made, so it only shows one drive (one GPS location). Then it picks up the next GPS location from the ball I choose to use and records the length of only that drive.

The next time I play with my new V3, I will try to remember touch the watch to the tag on each club just before I hit it. If we need to sometimes "wake up" the watch to make the connection, then maybe this will be a simple foolproof method. Better for me than spending energy on multiple practice swings.

With the V3, I had a couple of holes where it recorded 4 shots from the same location. They were all practice swings, so not sure how it tells them apart from each other.

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2 hours ago, Kanoito said:

With the V3, I had a couple of holes where it recorded 4 shots from the same location. They were all practice swings, so not sure how it tells them apart from each other.

Dang, not what I want to read after I just ordered one lol


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1 hour ago, yungkory said:

Dang, not what I want to read after I just ordered one lol

LOL it never happened with the V1 I had. Missed shots happened once in a while, but never 4 repeated practice swings. But don't worry, seems like 99% of the users here haven't encountered such issue.

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19 hours ago, yungkory said:

I don't have any personal experience with SS, but used Arccos for about 6 months before I ditched it. For me, it just missed too many putts for me to get over the annoyance of having to play with my phone in my pocket (I don't have an iWatch). Pulling my phone out of pocket to set pin locations, only for it to miss my putt, was disappointing. It didn't happen every time, but it happened often enough for it to be too annoying to keep using. If you can wait, I suggest waiting for Arccos Link before purchasing either of the two. From what I've seen, Arccos' dashboard looks better than Shotscope's, but as I admitted already I have not used SS.

I was interested in Shotscope V3 because I have small, flat wrist bones and the V2 would probably look like a 65" TV on my wrist, but I don't know if I could play golf with a watch on. Was hoping to be able to secure it to my belt loop but as @MattF said, it won't work. Might still try it though because my wallet is itchy and I like stats.

So what’s the point of this technology versus using an app to track your stats?  Does it give you accurate carry distance?  I’m not seeing the benefit of the technology over let’s say TheGrint App or GolfShot App.  I really want to buy one just not sure why I should.  Any thoughts?  Can anyone convince me to buy one over the other?  Thanks in advance.

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6 hours ago, jlarose said:

So what’s the point of this technology versus using an app to track your stats?  Does it give you accurate carry distance?  I’m not seeing the benefit of the technology over let’s say TheGrint App or GolfShot App.  I really want to buy one just not sure why I should.  Any thoughts?  Can anyone convince me to buy one over the other?  Thanks in advance.

Hmmm, where to start?  

First things first, it automatically registers your stats as you play - you don't have to do much of anything. It knows what club you hit and where you hit it from. For example - it knows you're using your driver for your tee shot, and then it knows you're using, say, you're 8-iron for your next shot, and from where you're hitting your 8-iron. From that, it knows how far you hit your driver. It basically uses the GPS to pinpoint where you're hitting from and it uses the technology in the strap and the RFID tags to know which club you're hitting and from where. 

On the green, since you have a tag with your putter, it knows where your first put is, and using the Pin Collect function you can tell it where the pin is and how many putts you took to hole out. 

The rest of the story is the actual data presentation. You get distances for each club, as well as what it calls P-Average, which basically culls out things like punch outs, half shots or really, really bad tee shots to give you an accurate idea of your "good" shots. You also get stats like proximity to the hole for approach shots with different clubs, short game and putting stats, etc. It's all presented on a personal dash board on their website and on the app. You will probably have to do a little post-round editing once you upload the data from the watch to your app or computer, but it's easy enough to do.

Aside from all that, you get a pretty decent GPS watch and a way to remember bucket list rounds. 

 

Not sure if any of this helps - but to me, that's the point of this technology,. 

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2 hours ago, jlarose said:

So what’s the point of this technology versus using an app to track your stats?  Does it give you accurate carry distance?  I’m not seeing the benefit of the technology over let’s say TheGrint App or GolfShot App.  I really want to buy one just not sure why I should.  Any thoughts?  Can anyone convince me to buy one over the other?  Thanks in advance.

I didn't want to muddy the waters with Arccos stuff so I replied in the Arccos thread (it's a good read btw). Link below:

I'm hoping that Shotscope can improve where I felt Arccos fell short, but honestly most of the issues I had with Arccos were personal preference. i.e. phone in pocket.

 

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21 hours ago, artful_golfer said:

The next time I play with my new V3, I will try to remember touch the watch to the tag on each club just before I hit it. If we need to sometimes "wake up" the watch to make the connection, then maybe this will be a simple foolproof method. Better for me than spending energy on multiple practice swings.

I played 9 holes this evening. I touched my watch to the tag on each club before I took a practice swing and hit, including my putter. The results are no missed shots, locations or wrong clubs. It even recorded my putts correctly. When a short 2 footer lipped out and left me with only 4 inches, it showed the 2 foot and then counted the 4 inch putt but listed it as no length. The only editing was I had to add a water ball penalty because I didn't mark it while playing.

I'm delighted. If I can remember to record penalties (or avoid them) then I can skip the editing time altogether. In the past I have always guessed at the length of all putts, write them down and then add them later. No writing, just tag touch and enjoy playing. I guess the exception is written score cards to turn in during tournaments.

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Anyone else order from Dick’s this week and have theres ship? Mine has shown as preparing for shipment for the last 36 hours 

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For those in the US that have received their v3, where did your shipment originate from and through what delivery service?

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1 hour ago, jlukes said:

For those in the US that have received their v3, where did your shipment originate from and through what delivery service?

Ordered mine directly from ShotScope last night and just got shipment notification. Coming via DHL from Illinois. Hope you get yours soon! I didn't want to try ordering from Dick's because they always dick me on shipping costs 😂. The direct one was free to Hawaii, but DHL is probably snail service.

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1 hour ago, jlukes said:

For those in the US that have received their v3, where did your shipment originate from and through what delivery service?

Mine shipped by DHL from a Shot Scope facility in Illinois. It took 8 days to arrive.

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55 minutes ago, artful_golfer said:

Mine shipped by DHL from a Shot Scope facility in Illinois. It took 8 days to arrive.

8 days from Illinois to Texas? Did they rollerblade it down to you?!

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8 days from Illinois to Texas? Did they rollerblade it down to you?!


For those too young or too old this is a rollerblade aka inline skates !

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Lol! Just such a super random and old method of transportation to pick ! Love it.



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First round with V3 and was pleasantly surprised after reading all the hiccups on here.  I rarely take practice swings but it picked up all my shots.  I had to do quite a bit of editing as I kept forgetting to record penalty/lost shots and I had a really rough round.  I was a little distracted today. 

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8 hours ago, yungkory said:

Coming via DHL from Illinois.

That's where and how mine came.

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19 hours ago, GolfSpy Barbajo said:

You also get stats like proximity to the hole for approach shots with different clubs, short game and putting stats, etc. It's all presented on a personal dash board on their website and on the app. You will probably have to do a little post-round editing once you upload the data from the watch to your app or computer, but it's easy enough to do.

I have used both ShotScope and Arccos, ultimately settling on Arccos. I think they do a better job of data presentation for almost everything. Putting stats for ShotScope are a lot better than Arccos, though. During the Stroke Lab test last year, I could define two different putters in ShotScope and let the stats do the talking, especially related to make percentage as a function of distance, first putt proximity, and three-putt percentage. Arccos? They have somewhat similar metrics, but I like the ShotScope presentation better.

12 hours ago, yungkory said:

The direct one was free to Hawaii, but DHL is probably snail service.

At work, we usually have very good luck using DHL from Europe to the US. I tried to convince a supplier in Germany to use DHL with a shipment last week. They used FedEx and my shipment has been hung up in customs for 8 days now. Of course, DHL is based in Germany and I believe their first stop in the US is Cincinnati, so that may helps matters for us.

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