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4 minutes ago, rbsiedsc said:

with the CPO sale going, thinking of getting a similar shaft than what i game but 1" shorter. This thread has me thinking this would help me as well as adding some weight to get the force higher on the golf ball.

My first driver fitting they put me in a 44/44.5 inch shaft and the results have bore themselves out. more fairways with little to no loss of distance and consistently hitting the middle of the face.

the last was most important to me. As long as I can continue to hit the middle then I can make adjustments, but if I am all across the face then I'm in trouble.

I realized this when I recently bought a 45.5" club and my center-face contact went back down.

When I think of how short an inch really is I am amazed how much difference it can make.

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33 minutes ago, GolfSpy Stroker said:

My first driver fitting they put me in a 44/44.5 inch shaft and the results have bore themselves out. more fairways with little to no loss of distance and consistently hitting the middle of the face.

the last was most important to me. As long as I can continue to hit the middle then I can make adjustments, but if I am all across the face then I'm in trouble.

I realized this when I recently bought a 45.5" club and my center-face contact went back down.

When I think of how short an inch really is I am amazed how much difference it can make.

Good luck!

My biggest question is, what do I need to get in terms of weights to up the SW since I will lose some shortening it? I think it would be ~6 grams needed, plus what ever more i need to add a little more mass. I would also presume I would need to change the weight equally in the back and front or i would get some major trajectory issues

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9 minutes ago, rbsiedsc said:

My biggest question is, what do I need to get in terms of weights to up the SW since I will lose some shortening it? I think it would be ~6 grams needed, plus what ever more i need to add a little more mass. I would also presume I would need to change the weight equally in the back and front or i would get some major trajectory issues

yes; you cannot simply cut an inch off a shaft.

when I got my last driver I went from an 11g weight to 14g.
my cobra I went from 12g to 16g.

definitely something to consider.

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I have been thinking about lengths of all clubs lately. Have never felt comfortable with any length irons. And fitting for length has always seemed like one of the hardest areas to fit, given that i have never been to a fitter with a shorter length shafts, and i don't feel like choking down is necessarily equivalent to the feel of a shower club. 

Just for context, I am short 5'5", but have a wrist to floor of 30.5" which is about the wrist to floor of the average person that is 5'2". Ping recommends and Wishon recommend 0.5" shorter than standard length, some others recommend 1" shorter, and I did an online fitting with a local company with a proprietary "dimensional" fitting algorithm and it recommended a 36" 6 iron, which is really short. 

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1 hour ago, GolfSpy Stroker said:

yes; you cannot simply cut an inch off a shaft.

when I got my last driver I went from an 11g weight to 14g.
my cobra I went from 12g to 16g.

definitely something to consider.

I think it is something you have to experiment with.  I cut an inch and a 1/4 off mine with no weight adjustment and haven't had any negative results. 

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I have been thinking about lengths of all clubs lately. Have never felt comfortable with any length irons. And fitting for length has always seemed like one of the hardest areas to fit, given that i have never been to a fitter with a shorter length shafts, and i don't feel like choking down is necessarily equivalent to the feel of a shower club. 
Just for context, I am short 5'5", but have a wrist to floor of 30.5" which is about the wrist to floor of the average person that is 5'2". Ping recommends and Wishon recommend 0.5" shorter than standard length, some others recommend 1" shorter, and I did an online fitting with a local company with a proprietary "dimensional" fitting algorithm and it recommended a 36" 6 iron, which is really short. 

I’m 5’4.5 and play -1/2 and 2 flat on my irons. I actually went to -3/4 on the wedges since I have a set GW and 52 which were the same length. I think my WTF is about 31.5-32.

The -1/2 length feels great for me, but my prior set was std length and I didn’t notice that much of a difference. I am hitting the center more often now. For length I would take a look at your strike tendency. Lots of heel? Maybe go -1/2. All over the face? Try shorter. Pretty good strikes? It’s probably a good length. Then you just need to make sure you lie angles are good.

Of course, a different shaft could also help promote different strike patterns too, so that’s part of it.

I think the best answer for us shorter guys is to go get fit. You can always bring up club length with your fitter and see what they suggest.


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23 minutes ago, B.Boston said:


I’m 5’4.5 and play -1/2 and 2 flat on my irons. I actually went to -3/4 on the wedges since I have a set GW and 52 which were the same length. I think my WTF is about 31.5-32.

The -1/2 length feels great for me, but my prior set was std length and I didn’t notice that much of a difference. I am hitting the center more often now. For length I would take a look at your strike tendency. Lots of heel? Maybe go -1/2. All over the face? Try shorter. Pretty good strikes? It’s probably a good length. Then you just need to make sure you lie angles are good.

Of course, a different shaft could also help promote different strike patterns too, so that’s part of it.

I think the best answer for us shorter guys is to go get fit. You can always bring up club length with your fitter and see what they suggest.


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Part of my issue is I never feel super comfortable at setup. The club shaft feels very horizontal to me if that makes sense. With it that horizontal feeling, it makes me want to make a flat backswing. That is a 9 iron 0.5" short in the picture.

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4 minutes ago, dlow206 said:

Part of my issue is I never feel super comfortable at setup. The club shaft feels very horizontal to me if that makes sense. With it that horizontal feeling, it makes me want to make a flat backswing. That is a 9 iron 0.5" short in the picture.

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I know this is about shaft length for driver and I am not a fitter or a golf pro, but have you tried widening your stance a 1/2" and then drop your had a little lower? Might give you a better feeling at setup. Again, maybe this is out of line for me, so apologies.

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6 minutes ago, dlow206 said:

Part of my issue is I never feel super comfortable at setup. The club shaft feels very horizontal to me if that makes sense. With it that horizontal feeling, it makes me want to make a flat backswing. That is a 9 iron 0.5" short in the picture.

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Where does the grip line run in your hands?  Both left and right.

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Just now, cnosil said:

Where does the grip line run in your hands?  Both left and right.

Sorry, didn't understand the question exactly.

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35 minutes ago, dlow206 said:

Part of my issue is I never feel super comfortable at setup. The club shaft feels very horizontal to me if that makes sense. With it that horizontal feeling, it makes me want to make a flat backswing. That is a 9 iron 0.5" short in the picture.

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looks about right to me, but if it’s uncomfortable that’s a different story 

 

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1 hour ago, dlow206 said:

Part of my issue is I never feel super comfortable at setup. The club shaft feels very horizontal to me if that makes sense. With it that horizontal feeling, it makes me want to make a flat backswing. That is a 9 iron 0.5" short in the picture.

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I see the problem. Flip flops. 
jk

i do not have much to add to shaft length conversation I just go with feel and lether rip!

I should probably shorten it up though because I took my first swings in a few weeks with my sons clubs and had my best posture and stayed down on the ball

 

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1 hour ago, dlow206 said:

Sorry, didn't understand the question exactly.

Hard to tell with the red line but it looks like the grip is placed along the lifeline of your hands and not the fingers.   

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7 minutes ago, cnosil said:

Hard to tell with the red line but it looks like the grip is placed along the lifeline of your hands and not the fingers.   

Yeah, hard to see. Its in the fingers, something i have been working on closely with my instructor the past week.

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2 hours ago, dlow206 said:

Part of my issue is I never feel super comfortable at setup. The club shaft feels very horizontal to me if that makes sense. With it that horizontal feeling, it makes me want to make a flat backswing. That is a 9 iron 0.5" short in the picture.

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I’ll try to find the video, but I used to be super flat like Rickie on the left here:

 

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It took me a winter of slow motion swings and some sketchy rounds but now I’m closer to the Rickie on the right, but probably still a little flat.

for me I had to really feel like I was reaching back to start the downswing so I didn’t tug it inside. 

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15 hours ago, dlow206 said:

Part of my issue is I never feel super comfortable at setup. The club shaft feels very horizontal to me if that makes sense. With it that horizontal feeling, it makes me want to make a flat backswing. That is a 9 iron 0.5" short in the picture.

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On another note, have you ever caught one straight over the net into your neighbors yard 😱

I'm sure the net is much closer than it appears and it's probably impossible to do that, but it was my first takeaway looking at the picture 🙂

That and oh where did you find that bright red shaft...LOL

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On another note, have you ever caught one straight over the net into your neighbors yard 


That is probably the biggest reason I don’t have a backyard net. I am terrified I would hit on past the net and into someone’s house.

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5 minutes ago, Golfspy_CG2 said:

On another note, have you ever caught one straight over the net into your neighbors yard 😱

I'm sure the net is much closer than it appears and it's probably impossible to do that, but it was my first takeaway looking at the picture 🙂

That and oh where did you find that bright red shaft...LOL

LOL on the bright red shaft.

Prior to this summer, there was a severe slope in my backyard. So the net was probably two feet below where it is now. Back then, i definitely hit a few over the fence. 

With the backyard more level, have not hit one over the fence. Also, switched to using limited flight foam balls as well to reduce the chance. Also, what looks like a house over the fence is actually a rarely used barn, so nothing really to damage if i hit one over. 

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Commencing driver length test soon. Pulled the trigger this morning.

 

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36 minutes ago, rbsiedsc said:

Commencing driver length test soon. Pulled the trigger this morning.

 

... Looking forward to hearing how this works out for you! 

... Refresher: every 1/4" you miss the center of your driver can result in a loss of 5-7 yds. Measure 1" full inch from the center and you can see many miss by this much regularly, resulting in a 20-28 yd loss of distance. This is more the norm and these are the players that occasionally hit a huge drive and wonder how they did it. Easy enough, they hit the center of the face for a change. For most that play this game, the extra distance potentially gained by a 1-1.5" longer shaft is much less than the loss of distance by missing the center. As always, there are exceptions to this rule and some are good at hitting the center with a longer shaft, but they are in the minority and most will actually gain distance and improve direction with a shorter shaft. 

Driver:     :taylormade-small:  Qi10 10.5* ... Ventus Red Velocore 5R
Fairway:  :cobra-small: Aerojet 3/5 ... Kai'li Blue 60R
Hybrids:  :ping-small:      430 Hybrid 22*... Steelfiber 780Hy 
                  :taylormade-small:  DHy #4 ... Diamana LTD 65r 
Irons:       :titleist-small:         '23 T200 5-Pw ... Steelfiber i95r
Wedges:  :taylormade-small: Vokey 50*/54*/58* ... Steelfiber i95r
Putter:     :cobra-small:  Sport-60 33" 
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10 minutes ago, chisag said:

 

... Looking forward to hearing how this works out for you! 

... Refresher: every 1/4" you miss the center of your driver can result in a loss of 5-7 yds. Measure 1" full inch from the center and you can see many miss by this much regularly, resulting in a 20-28 yd loss of distance. This is more the norm and these are the players that occasionally hit a huge drive and wonder how they did it. Easy enough, they hit the center of the face for a change. For most that play this game, the extra distance potentially gained by a 1-1.5" longer shaft is much less than the loss of distance by missing the center. As always, there are exceptions to this rule and some are good at hitting the center with a longer shaft, but they are in the minority and most will actually gain distance and improve direction with a shorter shaft. 

Thanks. I am looking forward to hopefully more consistency. Trying to figure out the proper swing weighting now and add slightly more mass since F=m x a. want to avoid lead tape since i have a little one.

Current Setup:                                                       

Grip: 57g lamkin midsize sonar +                            

Shaft: Fujikura Pro XS  (68 g at 46", currently 45.5")                  

Clubhead: Epic Flash SZ (2g front, 12g back)       

  New setup:

Grip: 57g lamkin midsize sonar + 

Shaft: Fujikura Pro 7 2.0 XS (79g at 46", cut down to 44.5")

Clubhead: Epic Flash SZ (thinking of a 6g front and 15.5g to 17.5g back weight? or add additional back weight, any suggestions?

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... Going to a 17.5gm back weight should do the trick, as long as your spin is where you want it. I did that with my SIM Max going to a 25gm weight from the stock 18gm weight and it has worked very well for me. 

*I would add that lead tape is a great way to find out of something works before spending g the m only on an alternative. Easy enough to add and remove if you decide it gives you the performance you are looking for, then add a different weight or hot meld to the head for a clean look if that is important to you. 

Driver:     :taylormade-small:  Qi10 10.5* ... Ventus Red Velocore 5R
Fairway:  :cobra-small: Aerojet 3/5 ... Kai'li Blue 60R
Hybrids:  :ping-small:      430 Hybrid 22*... Steelfiber 780Hy 
                  :taylormade-small:  DHy #4 ... Diamana LTD 65r 
Irons:       :titleist-small:         '23 T200 5-Pw ... Steelfiber i95r
Wedges:  :taylormade-small: Vokey 50*/54*/58* ... Steelfiber i95r
Putter:     :cobra-small:  Sport-60 33" 
Ball:           Maxfli     Maxfli Tour

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22 minutes ago, chisag said:

 

... Looking forward to hearing how this works out for you! 

... Refresher: every 1/4" you miss the center of your driver can result in a loss of 5-7 yds. Measure 1" full inch from the center and you can see many miss by this much regularly, resulting in a 20-28 yd loss of distance. This is more the norm and these are the players that occasionally hit a huge drive and wonder how they did it. Easy enough, they hit the center of the face for a change. For most that play this game, the extra distance potentially gained by a 1-1.5" longer shaft is much less than the loss of distance by missing the center. As always, there are exceptions to this rule and some are good at hitting the center with a longer shaft, but they are in the minority and most will actually gain distance and improve direction with a shorter shaft. 

You quoted Tom Wishon earlier in the thread and I just recently finished his book.  He is convinced the OEM's have done a disservice over the years, to a majority of amateur players, by marketing longer club lengths as the means of gaining distance.  It was his discussion about this, in several sections of the book, along with the CCC "Tour Length" driver option/discussion that made me decide to try it. 

Thus far my FIR has increased significantly, dispersion lessened, and my distance reduced by about 5 yards (though my round this past Saturday seemed usual distance). More important is that my scores have been better.  

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1 hour ago, fixyurdivot said:

You quoted Tom Wishon earlier in the thread and I just recently finished his book.  He is convinced the OEM's have done a disservice over the years, to a majority of amateur players, by marketing longer club lengths as the means of gaining distance.  It was his discussion about this, in several sections of the book, along with the CCC "Tour Length" driver option/discussion that made me decide to try it. 

Thus far my FIR has increased significantly, dispersion lessened, and my distance reduced by about 5 yards (though my round this past Saturday seemed usual distance). More important is that my scores have been better.  

 

... I have also talked to several VP's of Club Head Design and Engineering and they all agree the driver shaft is too long for Am's and even most Pro's. Off the record they blame the sales department so I can't name names but it is the Big Boys not boutique brands.  

Driver:     :taylormade-small:  Qi10 10.5* ... Ventus Red Velocore 5R
Fairway:  :cobra-small: Aerojet 3/5 ... Kai'li Blue 60R
Hybrids:  :ping-small:      430 Hybrid 22*... Steelfiber 780Hy 
                  :taylormade-small:  DHy #4 ... Diamana LTD 65r 
Irons:       :titleist-small:         '23 T200 5-Pw ... Steelfiber i95r
Wedges:  :taylormade-small: Vokey 50*/54*/58* ... Steelfiber i95r
Putter:     :cobra-small:  Sport-60 33" 
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1 hour ago, fixyurdivot said:

You quoted Tom Wishon earlier in the thread and I just recently finished his book.  He is convinced the OEM's have done a disservice over the years, to a majority of amateur players, by marketing longer club lengths as the means of gaining distance.  It was his discussion about this, in several sections of the book, along with the CCC "Tour Length" driver option/discussion that made me decide to try it. 

Thus far my FIR has increased significantly, dispersion lessened, and my distance reduced by about 5 yards (though my round this past Saturday seemed usual distance). More important is that my scores have been better.  

Glad to see we converted you! 

your post here made me want to take a look at where I stand with the Cobra vs the M5 I was using prior:

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Not quite as many drives yet with the Cobra, but there's def a trend.  I'll take 14% more FIR every day.  On top of that I'm 6 yards tighter on average, and go left way less often.

Interestingly, my longest drive came with the Cobra, and it was in less favorable conditions than some of the other long balls.  The smart range is slightly less with the Cobra, but the longest is with the Cobra... so that's a wash in my book.  The Cobra is just overall a tighter dispersion, left to right and near to far.  All things that make me happy! 

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2 hours ago, chisag said:

... Going to a 17.5gm back weight should do the trick, as long as your spin is where you want it. I did that with my SIM Max going to a 25gm weight from the stock 18gm weight and it has worked very well for me. 

*I would add that lead tape is a great way to find out of something works before spending g the m only on an alternative. Easy enough to add and remove if you decide it gives you the performance you are looking for, then add a different weight or hot meld to the head for a clean look if that is important to you. 

...so would you replace the 12g with the 17.5g (then also add the 4g up front weight to keep the front back ratio similar) or add the 17.5g weight in addition to the 12g (then also add the 6g weight up front to keep the front back ratio similar)

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Putter: L.A.B. Directed Force 2.1 69*/35" in blue 

 

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6 minutes ago, rbsiedsc said:

...so would you replace the 12g with the 17.5g (then also add the 4g up front weight to keep the front back ratio similar) or add the 17.5g weight in addition to the 12g (then also add the 6g weight up front to keep the front back ratio similar)

 

... That depends on what you want or need. The short answer is I would add the 17.5 gm eight to the rear and leave the 2gm weight up front. 2 additional gms up front will have pretty close to zero performance change. Yes, Tiger might tell difference but we will not. 5.5gms more weight in the rear will produce a slightly higher trajectory with a little more spin but most importantly increases MOI for better head stability on miss hits. If you re a very high speed player with a ton of spin, weight up front can help lower trajectory and reduce spin slightly BUT with a lower MOI direction control suffers on miss hits. I think it is a rare player that needs weight up front.

... The original Fly Z was played by all the Cobra engineers with a shorter shaft and 18gm weight in the rear and they called it their fairway finder. Only one ex D1 college player used the LTD and the rest the Fly Z. Moving from a SLDR with forward weight to the Fly Z with the highest 18gm weight produced my best driving season ever to that point. I have not changed that set up ever since and when switching from my Xtreme to the Sim Max, I added the higher weight in the rear and have had excellent results. 

Driver:     :taylormade-small:  Qi10 10.5* ... Ventus Red Velocore 5R
Fairway:  :cobra-small: Aerojet 3/5 ... Kai'li Blue 60R
Hybrids:  :ping-small:      430 Hybrid 22*... Steelfiber 780Hy 
                  :taylormade-small:  DHy #4 ... Diamana LTD 65r 
Irons:       :titleist-small:         '23 T200 5-Pw ... Steelfiber i95r
Wedges:  :taylormade-small: Vokey 50*/54*/58* ... Steelfiber i95r
Putter:     :cobra-small:  Sport-60 33" 
Ball:           Maxfli     Maxfli Tour

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1 hour ago, chisag said:

 

... That depends on what you want or need. The short answer is I would add the 17.5 gm eight to the rear and leave the 2gm weight up front. 2 additional gms up front will have pretty close to zero performance change. Yes, Tiger might tell difference but we will not. 5.5gms more weight in the rear will produce a slightly higher trajectory with a little more spin but most importantly increases MOI for better head stability on miss hits. If you re a very high speed player with a ton of spin, weight up front can help lower trajectory and reduce spin slightly BUT with a lower MOI direction control suffers on miss hits. I think it is a rare player that needs weight up front.

... The original Fly Z was played by all the Cobra engineers with a shorter shaft and 18gm weight in the rear and they called it their fairway finder. Only one ex D1 college player used the LTD and the rest the Fly Z. Moving from a SLDR with forward weight to the Fly Z with the highest 18gm weight produced my best driving season ever to that point. I have not changed that set up ever since and when switching from my Xtreme to the Sim Max, I added the higher weight in the rear and have had excellent results. 

sounds good. Weight is ordered. may the winter experiment commence soon.

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Driver: :callaway-small:   Epic Max LS :Fuji:Ventus Black 6x 44.5" 

3wHL: :callaway-small: Rogue ST LS 75x  Tensei AV Blue w/ xlink

7w: :callaway-small:Apex UW 21* MMT 80S

DI: Caley 01X 18* with KBS PGH Stiff plus 95g

4-AW: th.jpg.d6e2abdaeb04f007fd259c979f389de6.jpg  0211  with KBS Tour Stiff 2.5* up 3/4" long, Soft stepped, MOI matched

Wedges     :cleveland-small: Zipcore 

Putter: L.A.B. Directed Force 2.1 69*/35" in blue 

 

Ball:  TBD

Shot Tracking: :ShotScope:

Bag: Vessel VLX 2.0

Grip: Lamkin Sonar +  Midsize 

My Reviews:

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Max Swing Speed Training and Speed Progress: Current Speed 120 in the MGS Speed Challenge (updated 3/15/23)

 :1332069271_TommyArmour:TAIII #2  Review here: TAIII Impact #2 Putter )

 :cleveland-small: Zipcore Tour Rack 54/full and 58/mid (review here)

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