driver length

[PMookie]

The issue I’ve had at Club Champion is that they don’t have varying lengths in the same shaft, or enough to really test to find the right length, and the company reps that do demo days CERTAINLY don’t either. Finding the right length with irons and wedges is a lot easier. It’s great to talk about “get fitted”, but the reality is we don’t have the options pros do to find that perfect length. Maybe at the Kingdom, or Callaway Performance Center, etc have them.


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[GolfSpy BOS]

The issue I’ve had at Club Champion is that they don’t have varying lengths in the same shaft, or enough to really test to find the right length, and the company reps that do demo days CERTAINLY don’t either. Finding the right length with irons and wedges is a lot easier. It’s great to talk about “get fitted”, but the reality is we don’t have the options pros do to find that perfect length. Maybe at the Kingdom, or Callaway Performance Center, etc have them.


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That’s so true, when I got fit for mine at 44.5 we used tape to make sure I wasn’t gripping too high up. It’s certainly not perfect, and doesn’t help if you’re one of those people that actually needs more length, but it was better than nothing.


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[PMookie]

Don’t forget MASS in the whole equation! The weight of the driver head has a distinct effect on distance, direction, etc. Watch TXG’s latest video on the Epic Flash vs Mavrik where they comment on this.
I’m a FIRM believer in the physics equation where force=mass x acceleration
If one can swing a slightly heavier head at the same speed, the greater mass will result in greater force upon the ball! This is NEVER talked about in golf, only speed. Yeah, I know, at a certain point the added weight slows down the speed of the swing... Point is, maximize the weight to the point where the speed is maxed as well.


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[GolfSpy BOS]

Don’t forget MASS in the whole equation! The weight of the driver head has a distinct effect on distance, direction, etc. Watch TXG’s latest video on the Epic Flash vs Mavrik where they comment on this.
I’m a FIRM believer in the physics equation where force=mass x acceleration
If one can swing a slightly heavier head at the same speed, the greater mass will result in greater force upon the ball! This is NEVER talked about in golf, only speed. Yeah, I know, at a certain point the added weight slows down the speed of the swing... Point is, maximize the weight to the point where the speed is maxed as well.


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Yup! We added a heavier weight to my G30 too! At 44.5 you almost need to with the swing weight.


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[Rflores91]

2 hours ago, PMookie said:

Don’t forget MASS in the whole equation! The weight of the driver head has a distinct effect on distance, direction, etc. Watch TXG’s latest video on the Epic Flash vs Mavrik where they comment on this.
I’m a FIRM believer in the physics equation where force=mass x acceleration
If one can swing a slightly heavier head at the same speed, the greater mass will result in greater force upon the ball! This is NEVER talked about in golf, only speed. Yeah, I know, at a certain point the added weight slows down the speed of the swing... Point is, maximize the weight to the point where the speed is maxed as well.


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THIS has been my biggest question! I'm in agreement. If I can swing a 43 inch driver faster than a 45 inch driver (with proper loading of the shaft guys.) and both being the exact same weight. Shouldn't there be an increase in distance? Tests coming today!

[TwoCoatsOfWax]

2 hours ago, PMookie said:

The issue I’ve had at Club Champion is that they don’t have varying lengths in the same shaft, or enough to really test to find the right length, and the company reps that do demo days CERTAINLY don’t either. Finding the right length with irons and wedges is a lot easier. It’s great to talk about “get fitted”, but the reality is we don’t have the options pros do to find that perfect length. Maybe at the Kingdom, or Callaway Performance Center, etc have them.


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Buy a couple cheap used drivers and have them cut down.  Or, buy some knock-offs from a place like GigaGolf.  They may not provide max performance, but would at least give you a sense of what hitting a shorter driver is like.

[StrokerAce]

You can also try swapping your driver shaft with your 3 wood shaft.  3 wood length is obviously shorter than driver and that might give you a good indication of what it feels like.

[RickyBobby_PR]

9 minutes ago, GolfSpy Stroker said:

You can also try swapping your driver shaft with your 3 wood shaft.  3 wood length is obviously shorter than driver and that might give you a good indication of what it feels like.

Two potential issues with this. 1) fairway shafts tend to be heavier than driver shaft 2) not all brands have adapters that fit both fairway and driver heads. 
 

Edit: another is fairway shafts tend to be tipped more than a driver shaft to account for the shorter shaft and headweight of the fw. 

[chisag]

10 minutes ago, GolfSpy Stroker said:

You can also try swapping your driver shaft with your 3 wood shaft.  3 wood length is obviously shorter than driver and that might give you a good indication of what it feels like.

 

... That is a great way to find out of the length helps you make better contact and if you can get comfortable swinging a shorter shaft. That said, just keep in mind a 3 wood shaft is usually heavier and has been tipped so it will be stiffer than your driver shaft. That can effect ball flight so it may not give you the results you would like but certainly can give you an idea of what it is like swinging a shorter shafted driver. 

... Edit: LOL, you beat me to it RB! 

[StrokerAce]

4 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

Two potential issues with this. 1) fairway shafts tend to be heavier than driver shaft 2) not all brands have adapters that fit both fairway and driver heads. 

the point in the exercise is to get a feel for what a shorter shaft feels like when using a driver w/o cutting the driver shaft.

of course you would need a compatible tip.

you can use foot spray to spray the head and see where your ball mark is.  if it's centered more consistently maybe a shorter driver shaft would be a good move.  if it is not then obviously that's not a good solution.

[RickyBobby_PR]

22 minutes ago, GolfSpy Stroker said:

the point in the exercise is to get a feel for what a shorter shaft feels like when using a driver w/o cutting the driver shaft.

of course you would need a compatible tip.

you can use foot spray to spray the head and see where your ball mark is.  if it's centered more consistently maybe a shorter driver shaft would be a good move.  if it is not then obviously that's not a good solution.

I understand the concept of the exercise but the wording of your post poses issues. It’s not just that another adapter is needed but that the weight and the tipping of the shaft will be different than the driver shaft changing feel and stiffness and potentially affecting the swing and potentially the results. 

[StrokerAce]

10 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

I understand the concept of the exercise but the wording of your post poses issues. It’s not just that another adapter is needed but that the weight and the tipping of the shaft will be different than the driver shaft changing feel and stiffness and potentially affecting the swing and potentially the results. 

you're not testing the shaft....you're testing the length.

it was merely a suggestion.... do it if you want, don't do it if you don't want to.  It wasn't a debate on can you put your 3 wood shaft in your driver and expect anything different.  It's a 3 wood shaft - of course it will be different.

I think I'm pretty much done here....

[RickyBobby_PR]

2 minutes ago, GolfSpy Stroker said:

you're not testing the shaft....you're testing the length.

it was merely a suggestion.... do it if you want, don't do it if you don't want to.  It wasn't a debate on can you put your 3 wood shaft in your driver and expect anything different.  It's a 3 wood shaft - of course it will be different.

I think I'm pretty much done here....

Unfortunately the suggestion was worded wrong and this the reason both I and @chisag pointed out the flaws with it. 

[chisag]

6 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

Unfortunately the suggestion was worded wrong and this the reason both I and @chisag pointed out the flaws with it. 

 

... LOL, don't include me in your hall monitor duties! I thought it was a great idea and said so. Like Stroker I think it will give you an idea if a shorter shaft helps you make better contact.  I just added it may not give you the ball flight you normally see. 

[tony@CIC]

Definitely individual dependent. Brooke Henderson at 5’4” plays a 48” driver 

But she really chokes down on that club


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[RickyBobby_PR]

17 minutes ago, tony@CIC said:

But she really chokes down on that club


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She chokes down on every club and did so when she played a shorter length driver. 

[Smellis745]

My current setup is a 44.5” driver with a 85 series shaft.  The shaft weight is typically for a fairway but with the shorter length, it lets me keep the static weight similar and only had to add minimal weight back to the head to get the SW back to what I like.

[PMookie]

Buy a couple cheap used drivers and have them cut down.  Or, buy some knock-offs from a place like GigaGolf.  They may not provide max performance, but would at least give you a sense of what hitting a shorter driver is like.

But I’m not buying the shafts that would “fit” me, and the heads are different as well. Weighting of heads, where the weight is INSIDE the head, etc. Too many variables that ultimately wouldn’t show me if what I would buy would be equal to the results....


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[cnosil]

I have been using my shortened shaft (45.75 to 44.25)for a few rounds and wanted to report back that it was a great decision. More consistent ball striking and no loss in distance and maybe a bit longer on pure strikes.

As for the weighting, I made no changes. This may not have been necessary since the G400 is a bit head heavy and is often paired with a counterbalanced. shaft and since my shaft isn’t Counterbalanced it just worked out.

Obviously the difficulty is trying the different lengths. Choking down and seeing where I was hitting the face was how I tried to find the right length. I then bought an inexpensive shaft
And cut it down. With no intention of going back to the original length, the worst case was that I need to extend the shaft a bit or add more weight to the head.

[Vegan_Golfer_PNW]

with the CPO sale going, thinking of getting a similar shaft than what i game but 1" shorter. This thread has me thinking this would help me as well as adding some weight to get the force higher on the golf ball.