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4 minutes ago, rbsiedsc said:

with the CPO sale going, thinking of getting a similar shaft than what i game but 1" shorter. This thread has me thinking this would help me as well as adding some weight to get the force higher on the golf ball.

My first driver fitting they put me in a 44/44.5 inch shaft and the results have bore themselves out. more fairways with little to no loss of distance and consistently hitting the middle of the face.

the last was most important to me. As long as I can continue to hit the middle then I can make adjustments, but if I am all across the face then I'm in trouble.

I realized this when I recently bought a 45.5" club and my center-face contact went back down.

When I think of how short an inch really is I am amazed how much difference it can make.

Good luck!

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How about a shorter shaft with larger Turbulators? LOL

... azstu mi amigo, this has been a pet peeve of mine ever since my teaching days. I'll start by saying OEM's offer drivers with longer shafts so robots can hit them farther and they can claim they ar

Generally a shorter shaft will have less swing speed than a longer shaft.   Now the fact that it may lead to better control and center face contact, could show an increase in distance.   

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33 minutes ago, GolfSpy Stroker said:

My first driver fitting they put me in a 44/44.5 inch shaft and the results have bore themselves out. more fairways with little to no loss of distance and consistently hitting the middle of the face.

the last was most important to me. As long as I can continue to hit the middle then I can make adjustments, but if I am all across the face then I'm in trouble.

I realized this when I recently bought a 45.5" club and my center-face contact went back down.

When I think of how short an inch really is I am amazed how much difference it can make.

Good luck!

My biggest question is, what do I need to get in terms of weights to up the SW since I will lose some shortening it? I think it would be ~6 grams needed, plus what ever more i need to add a little more mass. I would also presume I would need to change the weight equally in the back and front or i would get some major trajectory issues

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9 minutes ago, rbsiedsc said:

My biggest question is, what do I need to get in terms of weights to up the SW since I will lose some shortening it? I think it would be ~6 grams needed, plus what ever more i need to add a little more mass. I would also presume I would need to change the weight equally in the back and front or i would get some major trajectory issues

yes; you cannot simply cut an inch off a shaft.

when I got my last driver I went from an 11g weight to 14g.
my cobra I went from 12g to 16g.

definitely something to consider.

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I have been thinking about lengths of all clubs lately. Have never felt comfortable with any length irons. And fitting for length has always seemed like one of the hardest areas to fit, given that i have never been to a fitter with a shorter length shafts, and i don't feel like choking down is necessarily equivalent to the feel of a shower club. 

Just for context, I am short 5'5", but have a wrist to floor of 30.5" which is about the wrist to floor of the average person that is 5'2". Ping recommends and Wishon recommend 0.5" shorter than standard length, some others recommend 1" shorter, and I did an online fitting with a local company with a proprietary "dimensional" fitting algorithm and it recommended a 36" 6 iron, which is really short. 

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1 hour ago, GolfSpy Stroker said:

yes; you cannot simply cut an inch off a shaft.

when I got my last driver I went from an 11g weight to 14g.
my cobra I went from 12g to 16g.

definitely something to consider.

I think it is something you have to experiment with.  I cut an inch and a 1/4 off mine with no weight adjustment and haven't had any negative results. 

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I have been thinking about lengths of all clubs lately. Have never felt comfortable with any length irons. And fitting for length has always seemed like one of the hardest areas to fit, given that i have never been to a fitter with a shorter length shafts, and i don't feel like choking down is necessarily equivalent to the feel of a shower club. 
Just for context, I am short 5'5", but have a wrist to floor of 30.5" which is about the wrist to floor of the average person that is 5'2". Ping recommends and Wishon recommend 0.5" shorter than standard length, some others recommend 1" shorter, and I did an online fitting with a local company with a proprietary "dimensional" fitting algorithm and it recommended a 36" 6 iron, which is really short. 

I’m 5’4.5 and play -1/2 and 2 flat on my irons. I actually went to -3/4 on the wedges since I have a set GW and 52 which were the same length. I think my WTF is about 31.5-32.

The -1/2 length feels great for me, but my prior set was std length and I didn’t notice that much of a difference. I am hitting the center more often now. For length I would take a look at your strike tendency. Lots of heel? Maybe go -1/2. All over the face? Try shorter. Pretty good strikes? It’s probably a good length. Then you just need to make sure you lie angles are good.

Of course, a different shaft could also help promote different strike patterns too, so that’s part of it.

I think the best answer for us shorter guys is to go get fit. You can always bring up club length with your fitter and see what they suggest.


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23 minutes ago, B.Boston said:


I’m 5’4.5 and play -1/2 and 2 flat on my irons. I actually went to -3/4 on the wedges since I have a set GW and 52 which were the same length. I think my WTF is about 31.5-32.

The -1/2 length feels great for me, but my prior set was std length and I didn’t notice that much of a difference. I am hitting the center more often now. For length I would take a look at your strike tendency. Lots of heel? Maybe go -1/2. All over the face? Try shorter. Pretty good strikes? It’s probably a good length. Then you just need to make sure you lie angles are good.

Of course, a different shaft could also help promote different strike patterns too, so that’s part of it.

I think the best answer for us shorter guys is to go get fit. You can always bring up club length with your fitter and see what they suggest.


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Part of my issue is I never feel super comfortable at setup. The club shaft feels very horizontal to me if that makes sense. With it that horizontal feeling, it makes me want to make a flat backswing. That is a 9 iron 0.5" short in the picture.

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4 minutes ago, dlow206 said:

Part of my issue is I never feel super comfortable at setup. The club shaft feels very horizontal to me if that makes sense. With it that horizontal feeling, it makes me want to make a flat backswing. That is a 9 iron 0.5" short in the picture.

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I know this is about shaft length for driver and I am not a fitter or a golf pro, but have you tried widening your stance a 1/2" and then drop your had a little lower? Might give you a better feeling at setup. Again, maybe this is out of line for me, so apologies.

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6 minutes ago, dlow206 said:

Part of my issue is I never feel super comfortable at setup. The club shaft feels very horizontal to me if that makes sense. With it that horizontal feeling, it makes me want to make a flat backswing. That is a 9 iron 0.5" short in the picture.

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Where does the grip line run in your hands?  Both left and right.

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Where does the grip line run in your hands?  Both left and right.

Sorry, didn't understand the question exactly.

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35 minutes ago, dlow206 said:

Part of my issue is I never feel super comfortable at setup. The club shaft feels very horizontal to me if that makes sense. With it that horizontal feeling, it makes me want to make a flat backswing. That is a 9 iron 0.5" short in the picture.

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looks about right to me, but if it’s uncomfortable that’s a different story 

 

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1 hour ago, dlow206 said:

Part of my issue is I never feel super comfortable at setup. The club shaft feels very horizontal to me if that makes sense. With it that horizontal feeling, it makes me want to make a flat backswing. That is a 9 iron 0.5" short in the picture.

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I see the problem. Flip flops. 
jk

i do not have much to add to shaft length conversation I just go with feel and lether rip!

I should probably shorten it up though because I took my first swings in a few weeks with my sons clubs and had my best posture and stayed down on the ball

 

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1 hour ago, dlow206 said:

Sorry, didn't understand the question exactly.

Hard to tell with the red line but it looks like the grip is placed along the lifeline of your hands and not the fingers.   

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7 minutes ago, cnosil said:

Hard to tell with the red line but it looks like the grip is placed along the lifeline of your hands and not the fingers.   

Yeah, hard to see. Its in the fingers, something i have been working on closely with my instructor the past week.

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2 hours ago, dlow206 said:

Part of my issue is I never feel super comfortable at setup. The club shaft feels very horizontal to me if that makes sense. With it that horizontal feeling, it makes me want to make a flat backswing. That is a 9 iron 0.5" short in the picture.

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I’ll try to find the video, but I used to be super flat like Rickie on the left here:

 

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It took me a winter of slow motion swings and some sketchy rounds but now I’m closer to the Rickie on the right, but probably still a little flat.

for me I had to really feel like I was reaching back to start the downswing so I didn’t tug it inside. 

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15 hours ago, dlow206 said:

Part of my issue is I never feel super comfortable at setup. The club shaft feels very horizontal to me if that makes sense. With it that horizontal feeling, it makes me want to make a flat backswing. That is a 9 iron 0.5" short in the picture.

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On another note, have you ever caught one straight over the net into your neighbors yard 😱

I'm sure the net is much closer than it appears and it's probably impossible to do that, but it was my first takeaway looking at the picture 🙂

That and oh where did you find that bright red shaft...LOL

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On another note, have you ever caught one straight over the net into your neighbors yard 


That is probably the biggest reason I don’t have a backyard net. I am terrified I would hit on past the net and into someone’s house.
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On another note, have you ever caught one straight over the net into your neighbors yard 😱

I'm sure the net is much closer than it appears and it's probably impossible to do that, but it was my first takeaway looking at the picture 🙂

That and oh where did you find that bright red shaft...LOL

LOL on the bright red shaft.

Prior to this summer, there was a severe slope in my backyard. So the net was probably two feet below where it is now. Back then, i definitely hit a few over the fence. 

With the backyard more level, have not hit one over the fence. Also, switched to using limited flight foam balls as well to reduce the chance. Also, what looks like a house over the fence is actually a rarely used barn, so nothing really to damage if i hit one over. 

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