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I went .75 short from titleist standard and have found more consistency in Striking center. I tried 44 inches and 44.5 before settling on 44.75. For my swing it balances control and speed. 

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DI: ZX Utility 18* AD DI 95x 

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How about a shorter shaft with larger Turbulators? LOL

... azstu mi amigo, this has been a pet peeve of mine ever since my teaching days. I'll start by saying OEM's offer drivers with longer shafts so robots can hit them farther and they can claim they ar

I cut my G400 max down to 44.25 from 45.75. I experimented by choking down to see what might work best. I figured the worst case was to just add an extension if it didn’t work. I cut it down myself a

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Well my 2 nine hole rounds in I am happy with the shorter length. My distance is not where I want but I think weather and head weight and maybe loft contribute to that. Last nine I hit all but one fairway and my dispersion seemed better. Will trend more and will see how it goes this summer. I may need to cut down my previous shaft if I am still not getting the distance I want. 

Previous 6 rounds (some disparity as i benched my driver for a little bit)

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last 18 holes

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Driver: :callaway-small: Epic Flash SZ with  :Fuji:Pro 2.0 TS 7X. Testing Tensei Orange Pro S (1" tipped) at 44.75"

2H: :callaway-small: Super Hybrid with Tensei Orange Pro Hyb 80 Stiff (shaft may be swapped at some point) 

3H: :Sub70: 939X UST proforce V2 black F3 hybrid soft stepped XStiff UPRT setting 

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Putter: :taylormade-small: Corza Ghost 35" ( Benched :odyssey-small: Toulon Las Vegas Stroke Lab  34")

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Interesting development. My weights came in. Swapped the rear slider, which stock is 12g with a 17.5g weight. I take off the old weight, and to my surprise, it was 3g!!!!! I had bought this head from the bay last year with supposed std setup. I was jibbed. I was always wondering why I was having flighting issues.  I am very curious now what the new weight will do. I did also get a 4g weight for the front just to tinker. Will see which setup works best for me. 

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Driver: :callaway-small: Epic Flash SZ with  :Fuji:Pro 2.0 TS 7X. Testing Tensei Orange Pro S (1" tipped) at 44.75"

2H: :callaway-small: Super Hybrid with Tensei Orange Pro Hyb 80 Stiff (shaft may be swapped at some point) 

3H: :Sub70: 939X UST proforce V2 black F3 hybrid soft stepped XStiff UPRT setting 

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Putter: :taylormade-small: Corza Ghost 35" ( Benched :odyssey-small: Toulon Las Vegas Stroke Lab  34")

Ball: :Snell:MTB-X

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What is great about this subject is how easy it is to test.  I'm trying this on my 4i and to a lesser extent on my 5i and finding benefit too.  Hitting the clubface center more consistently.... priceless 👍.

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10 minutes ago, fixyurdivot said:

What is great about this subject is how easy it is to test.  I'm trying this on my 4i and to a lesser extent on my 5i and finding benefit too.  Hitting the clubface center more consistently.... priceless 👍.

I’ve thought of this even more for 3w, 3H and DI. the possibilities

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Driver: :callaway-small: Epic Flash SZ with  :Fuji:Pro 2.0 TS 7X. Testing Tensei Orange Pro S (1" tipped) at 44.75"

2H: :callaway-small: Super Hybrid with Tensei Orange Pro Hyb 80 Stiff (shaft may be swapped at some point) 

3H: :Sub70: 939X UST proforce V2 black F3 hybrid soft stepped XStiff UPRT setting 

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Wedges     :cleveland-small: Zipcore Tour Rack 54/full and 58/mid (review here)  (Backup 54*,60*: :ping-small:  S Tour KBS Tour Stiff 3* up)

Putter: :taylormade-small: Corza Ghost 35" ( Benched :odyssey-small: Toulon Las Vegas Stroke Lab  34")

Ball: :Snell:MTB-X

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Just now, rbsiedsc said:

I’ve thought of this even more for 3w, 3H and DI. the possibilities

For sure. The mechanics/physics are an equal opportunity offering 🙂.  The increased shaft lengths as part of the distance chase is real.  Guys like Wishon saw it early on and advised the playing community at large. 

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Just now, fixyurdivot said:

For sure. The mechanics/physics are an equal opportunity offering 🙂.  The increased shaft lengths as part of the distance chase is real.  Guys like Wishon saw it early on and advised the playing community at large. 

Just need to be cautious to not do it do much or on everything. Will start to get finishing returns.

Driver: :callaway-small: Epic Flash SZ with  :Fuji:Pro 2.0 TS 7X. Testing Tensei Orange Pro S (1" tipped) at 44.75"

2H: :callaway-small: Super Hybrid with Tensei Orange Pro Hyb 80 Stiff (shaft may be swapped at some point) 

3H: :Sub70: 939X UST proforce V2 black F3 hybrid soft stepped XStiff UPRT setting 

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Wedges     :cleveland-small: Zipcore Tour Rack 54/full and 58/mid (review here)  (Backup 54*,60*: :ping-small:  S Tour KBS Tour Stiff 3* up)

Putter: :taylormade-small: Corza Ghost 35" ( Benched :odyssey-small: Toulon Las Vegas Stroke Lab  34")

Ball: :Snell:MTB-X

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2 minutes ago, rbsiedsc said:

Just need to be cautious to not do it do much or on everything. Will start to get finishing returns.

Yea, the "too of of a good thing" adage.  I think the latest advances in fitting technology, LM combined with really competent operator, is where the proverbial "rubber meets the road" in establishing best shaft lengths.  My last fitting has me in my current irons at a +1"  I had previously played +1/2" for 30+ years with my PE2's.  I'm really curious to see if the forthcoming fitting/fitter finds that appropriate.

I also think this whole discussion somewhat supports the "one length" approach...but maybe not?

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1 minute ago, fixyurdivot said:

Yea, the "too of of a good thing" adage.  I think the latest advances in fitting technology, LM combined with really competent operator, is where the proverbial "rubber meets the road" in establishing best shaft lengths.  My last fitting has me in my current irons at a +1"  I had previously played +1/2" for 30+ years with my PE2's.  I'm really curious to see if the forthcoming fitting/fitter finds that appropriate.

I also think this whole discussion somewhat supports the "one length" approach...but maybe not?

I was thinking that after I replied. Sounds a lot like the one length philosophy. I too hah my iron length changed, to a 1/4” long instead of 1/2 “ long which was stock for those irons at the time. The fun this with golf we can always experiment. Makes me wonder if having different iron length progression could benefit people. Like after a 7 or 6, go up in maybe 1/4” increments instead and keep the 1/2” going down to the wedges. Another thing to remember, drivers and woods a swing differently (sorta) from your irons so the length progression there can likely vary quite a bit IMO. 

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Driver: :callaway-small: Epic Flash SZ with  :Fuji:Pro 2.0 TS 7X. Testing Tensei Orange Pro S (1" tipped) at 44.75"

2H: :callaway-small: Super Hybrid with Tensei Orange Pro Hyb 80 Stiff (shaft may be swapped at some point) 

3H: :Sub70: 939X UST proforce V2 black F3 hybrid soft stepped XStiff UPRT setting 

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Wedges     :cleveland-small: Zipcore Tour Rack 54/full and 58/mid (review here)  (Backup 54*,60*: :ping-small:  S Tour KBS Tour Stiff 3* up)

Putter: :taylormade-small: Corza Ghost 35" ( Benched :odyssey-small: Toulon Las Vegas Stroke Lab  34")

Ball: :Snell:MTB-X

:Arccos:

 

 

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I'm still struggling to see what's wrong with getting fit for a driver, including shaft length, first?  Never mind, most of us like to tinker but this one is easy enough to test - put a little mark on your drip an inch lower, grip it there for a month and see how it goes.  

I played with a very good player on Saturday.  His clubs were destroyed in a car accident and he's waiting for his new set to come in.  He has the proper driver head but only a three wood shaft at 43.5 in it.  He was not so great with that in our round.  Of course that could have been psychological but he normally plays at 45".  

I like my irons 1/2 longer than normal and then I grip them down - its just what I prefer - but I've learned that through time, its a quirk that I have (along with lots of other quirks). 🙂

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Ping G410 5-9 wood

Wilson D7 forged 6-GW -  Mamiya recoil 460 R flex

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Currently testing Edison wedges to replace SCORS that are wearing out. Also auditions for the 14th spot in the bag.  Current possibilities are a Ping 26 degree hybrid - duplicates the 9 wood or 5 iron but would be used almost exclusively for chipping or Tour Exotics 3 wood simply because you can carry 14 clubs and I might occasionally hit it in certain unusual wind conditions once every four or five rounds. 

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59 minutes ago, revkev said:

I'm still struggling to see what's wrong with getting fit for a driver, including shaft length, first?  Never mind, most of us like to tinker but this one is easy enough to test - put a little mark on your drip an inch lower, grip it there for a month and see how it goes.  

 

... You have touched on the problem and the solution. The same phenomenon happened in teaching when a student found a "secret" between lessons, maybe a swing article or advice from a friend. A decent ball striker can make adjustments when standing in one spot and hitting the same club multiple times when it doesn't count. Like the student that said their new "secret" was working well after a few swings, I always had them hit the 7 iron they were using to a target. Then have them hit a driver in a different direction, then chip a ball to another target, actually putt a range ball and then back to the 7 iron hit at a different target green and if they missed the green they were not allowed to use their 7 iron for the rest of the lesson. While not exactly mimicking the pressure of playing different shots and having them count, it applied some pressure as well as being out of their comfort zone of hitting the same club with the same swing over and over again until they were making adjustments and over coming their swing flaws.

... For many, the same thing is true in a fitting. When standing in one spot and hitting a driver over and over again, even using different shafts, they know if they hit a bad drive they can just tee up another ball with zero consequence and continue to groove their driver swing. Of course Pro's and better Am's that have a very repeatable swing will benefit the most from a driver fitting and the worse your swing repeatability the less the fitting will help with how you hit that same driver on the course when it counts. Don't get me wrong, it is still very valuable information and will let you know what is optimum with you best swings but when considering something like shaft length, it is much easier to dial in a longer shaft when it doesn't count and you can swing freely and stand in the same spot and groove a swing making adjustments as you hit more balls until you are dialed in. You do not have that option on the course when one swing with your driver can go OB, in a hazard, trees, deep rough and derail your round. 

... That is why I love your solution of choking down and playing that driver for month to see how it works under pressure on the golf course. If you consistently hit the bal very well choking down to a line on your grip you can either cut your shaft to that length or increase the line by 1/2" and see if you hit it just as straight and longer or you start to miss the center and on some drives, distance and direction suffers. 

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Fairway:  Cobra SZ 14.5* ... Atmos Blue TS 7S
Utility:   Callaway Super Hybrid 17*   ... Diamana Limited 65R
               TaylorMade DHy 19* ... Diamana Limited 65R
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Had a TrackMan session today. Will update when I get the data. Turns out I stand too far from the ball and consistently was heely. New winter project to fix my driver swing. When he put me in the correct position I felt like I was putting. 

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Driver: :callaway-small: Epic Flash SZ with  :Fuji:Pro 2.0 TS 7X. Testing Tensei Orange Pro S (1" tipped) at 44.75"

2H: :callaway-small: Super Hybrid with Tensei Orange Pro Hyb 80 Stiff (shaft may be swapped at some point) 

3H: :Sub70: 939X UST proforce V2 black F3 hybrid soft stepped XStiff UPRT setting 

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Putter: :taylormade-small: Corza Ghost 35" ( Benched :odyssey-small: Toulon Las Vegas Stroke Lab  34")

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So my dispersion from trackman is decent (this is carry). I need to work on my swing (see my breaking 100 post for video and screenshot) to get more centered contact. My main hit on the face was on the heel. The brown is driver at 9*, spin was way to low. Bumping up to 10* helping spin a lot. I should note that it was 44* out so these are cold range balls.

Interestingly, my SS is right at 100, which to me feels low. When i got this driver last year, i was told i needed XS for my shaft due to my speed. I still will keep this for the stability it brings, just curious if that may be hurting my carry distance.

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Driver: :callaway-small: Epic Flash SZ with  :Fuji:Pro 2.0 TS 7X. Testing Tensei Orange Pro S (1" tipped) at 44.75"

2H: :callaway-small: Super Hybrid with Tensei Orange Pro Hyb 80 Stiff (shaft may be swapped at some point) 

3H: :Sub70: 939X UST proforce V2 black F3 hybrid soft stepped XStiff UPRT setting 

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Putter: :taylormade-small: Corza Ghost 35" ( Benched :odyssey-small: Toulon Las Vegas Stroke Lab  34")

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On 12/4/2020 at 9:35 AM, rbsiedsc said:

So my dispersion from trackman is decent (this is carry). I need to work on my swing (see my breaking 100 post for video and screenshot) to get more centered contact. My main hit on the face was on the heel. The brown is driver at 9*, spin was way to low. Bumping up to 10* helping spin a lot. I should note that it was 44* out so these are cold range balls.

Interestingly, my SS is right at 100, which to me feels low. When i got this driver last year, i was told i needed XS for my shaft due to my speed. I still will keep this for the stability it brings, just curious if that may be hurting my carry distance.

 

 

 

If you are concerned about distance, transition from a negative angle of attack to positive. You are leaving an easy 20 yards on the table if you can get to +1. This is likely increasing the backspin and reducing roll out as well. 

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1 minute ago, BMart519 said:

If you are concerned about distance, transition from a negative angle of attack to position. You are leaving an easy 20 yards on the table if you can get to +1. This is likely increasing the backspin and reducing roll out as well. 

Ya that is on the docket for me as a goal this winter along with increasing SS.

Driver: :callaway-small: Epic Flash SZ with  :Fuji:Pro 2.0 TS 7X. Testing Tensei Orange Pro S (1" tipped) at 44.75"

2H: :callaway-small: Super Hybrid with Tensei Orange Pro Hyb 80 Stiff (shaft may be swapped at some point) 

3H: :Sub70: 939X UST proforce V2 black F3 hybrid soft stepped XStiff UPRT setting 

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Putter: :taylormade-small: Corza Ghost 35" ( Benched :odyssey-small: Toulon Las Vegas Stroke Lab  34")

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22 minutes ago, BMart519 said:

If you are concerned about distance, transition from a negative angle of attack to positive. You are leaving an easy 20 yards on the table if you can get to +1. This is likely increasing the backspin and reducing roll out as well. 

i've gotta work on this as well.  my AoA for the driver is 0 to 2* down

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31 minutes ago, Chip Strokes said:

i've gotta work on this as well.  my AoA for the driver is 0 to 2* down

So, about the average for a tour pro which is -1.3º

The average for LPGA is +3.0

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So, about the average for a tour pro which is -1.3º

The average for LPGA is +3.0

makes sense now why my coach never said anything about it.  i thought everyone hit up on the driver.

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6 minutes ago, Chip Strokes said:

makes sense now why my coach never said anything about it.  i thought everyone hit up on the driver.

Most Ams would benefit from that. You can counter act this by upping the loft on your driver, hence why a lot of pros use a 10.5*

Driver: :callaway-small: Epic Flash SZ with  :Fuji:Pro 2.0 TS 7X. Testing Tensei Orange Pro S (1" tipped) at 44.75"

2H: :callaway-small: Super Hybrid with Tensei Orange Pro Hyb 80 Stiff (shaft may be swapped at some point) 

3H: :Sub70: 939X UST proforce V2 black F3 hybrid soft stepped XStiff UPRT setting 

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Putter: :taylormade-small: Corza Ghost 35" ( Benched :odyssey-small: Toulon Las Vegas Stroke Lab  34")

Ball: :Snell:MTB-X

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8 minutes ago, rbsiedsc said:

Most Ams would benefit from that. You can counter act this by upping the loft on your driver

it's something i'll play with this winter, but the ball was launching in a pretty good window.  12-15* with 1900-2300 spin and good carry.  i guess with all the hype around bryson's huge positive attack angle i just assumed that they all hit up slightly on it.

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