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1 minute ago, Tsecor said:

the point is it takes many years to see significant gains in these areas. Its not a debate really. its just data. If you see 1mph from year to year.....thats great....but it takes many years for it to be significant...if a new driver comes out every 2 years and they gain .7 mph or 1mph....thats 10 years to get 5mph which might relate to 10 yards....thats all were saying

Actually in the last several years 2-3 mph and sometimes more are seen on off center hits. Center face contacts will have less increase year to year due to the CT being limited at that point on the face.

If you look at all the changes over the last several years it’s been to face design to make the off center hits faster. 

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Sim is great. TS lineup from Titleist is great. All going to come down to personal preference 

I'm not a big hitter.... I'm closer in age to 50 than 40, 5'9, 185, swing speed right around 100.... hit the ball around 250 on avg.  had a few longish ones go 280 but never touched 300. I went f

A second testing of the two didn't go as well for the SIM.  And this time the TS1 was the longest at 227.  I had my SX500 out to measure the drives.   So the SIM Max was sold and a MAX-D at 10.5 order

1 minute ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

Actually in the last several years 2-3 mph and sometimes more are seen on off center hits. Center face contacts will have less increase year to year due to the CT being limited at that point on the face.

If you look at all the changes over the last several years it’s been to face design to make the off center hits faster. 

true.

I try other brands...keep coming back to Titleist....why??

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I just picked up the TS3 after trying them all for the last 3 months. I ended up picking the TS3 because of the way it set up at address. Results w all top brands were almost the same. Shaft selection is probably more important than head selection.

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I just picked up the TS3 after trying them all for the last 3 months. I ended up picking the TS3 because of the way it set up at address. Results w all top brands were almost the same. Shaft selection is probably more important than head selection.

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7 hours ago, Billy-Bo-Jim-Bob said:

I just picked up the TS3 after trying them all for the last 3 months. I ended up picking the TS3 because of the way it set up at address. Results w all top brands were almost the same. Shaft selection is probably more important than head selection.

I so agree!!

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On 2/10/2020 at 3:32 PM, Golfspy_CG2 said:

I have a TS1 built and designed for moderate or as Tony often cites, that's the OEM code word for slow, swing speed...ha   It is 9.5 based on my TPI fitting and has the Tensei Blue Shaft.   I also have the SIM MAX in 9.5 with the stock Ventus Red Shaft.

 I took them both out to a par 5 hole the other day and hit about 20 drives each.  I didn't have any LM with me.  Just hit 5 SIM, 5 TS1 went and retrieved and repeated.  The longes of the bunch was one from the SIM that I hit about as good as I can, and it was 230'ish based on course yardage markers and my stepping it off.   The longest TS1 was about 212.   That said the TS1 had a much more consistent dispersion and the misses with the SIM were much worst than the TS1

I'll definitely be giving both of them more time to get a good comparison.  But I have to tell you the TS1 was in my bag the last 6 months of last year and it will take something special to knock it out. 

It sounds like we hit our drivers the same distance, that's right where I am at sea level here in Myrtle Beach. I get a little more up on Long Island, but nothing game changing, believe me. .

I want to try a similar head to head with my 9.0* G400 Max stock reg Alta, and a new 10.5* Epic Flash w/ EvenFlow Green45 5.0. I'm curious about a shaft this light... I have the stock 5.5 Hazardous that came with the '17 GBB Epic, but I think I'd need a new adaptor(?). I keep trying to replace the 400Max, but nothing I've tried works as well for me. From the first day I hit it, it'd been great. 

Anyway, it'll all have to wait a bit, haven't swung a club in two weeks due to a bad "golfers elbow" flare up. Hope this goes away soon, my new Titleist irons are supposed to arrive at the end of the week... there's nothing worse then just staring at a new box of irons that you can't take out and hit.

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A second testing of the two didn't go as well for the SIM.  And this time the TS1 was the longest at 227.  I had my SX500 out to measure the drives.   So the SIM Max was sold and a MAX-D at 10.5 ordered in its place.   So we'll see if it fares any better 

Ok m Wed I'm going to a Callaway event where we will hit it's whole line.  So I'll see how the MAVRIK does.  But that's a different thread for a different day. 😎

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On 2/24/2020 at 5:26 PM, Grand Stranded said:

It sounds like we hit our drivers the same distance, that's right where I am at sea level here in Myrtle Beach. I get a little more up on Long Island, but nothing game changing, believe me. .

I want to try a similar head to head with my 9.0* G400 Max stock reg Alta, and a new 10.5* Epic Flash w/ EvenFlow Green45 5.0. I'm curious about a shaft this light... I have the stock 5.5 Hazardous that came with the '17 GBB Epic, but I think I'd need a new adaptor(?). I keep trying to replace the 400Max, but nothing I've tried works as well for me. From the first day I hit it, it'd been great. 

Anyway, it'll all have to wait a bit, haven't swung a club in two weeks due to a bad "golfers elbow" flare up. Hope this goes away soon, my new Titleist irons are supposed to arrive at the end of the week... there's nothing worse then just staring at a new box of irons that you can't take out and hit.

Same with my g400lst. I think the point here is that the g400 series was a really good stick. I demoed a titleist t2 yesterday and while it was fine, it didn’t beat up the ping. 
good advancements from 12 years ago, but I think that we’ve reached the point where any significant gains are going to be rather slim-

fine tuning with weights, face advances (like the twist face) and shafts will be the main place to see any real improvements. Now the truly gifted fitters will become the “go-to” ...

sadly tho, not many of us amateurs, myself included, are good enough at consistent decent strikes to really notice the slight gains on a regular basis.

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1 hour ago, Sluggo42 said:

Same with my g400lst. I think the point here is that the g400 series was a really good stick. I demoed a titleist t2 yesterday and while it was fine, it didn’t beat up the ping. 
good advancements from 12 years ago, but I think that we’ve reached the point where any significant gains are going to be rather slim-

fine tuning with weights, face advances (like the twist face) and shafts will be the main place to see any real improvements. Now the truly gifted fitters will become the “go-to” ...

sadly tho, not many of us amateurs, myself included, are good enough at consistent decent strikes to really notice the slight gains on a regular basis.

Significant is hard to define because it varies by each golfer. So many on forums say 2-3 years isn’t significant but in recent videos I’ve seen pros talking about being happy getting 2-3 yards more. On the amateur side many don’t consider under 10 yards significant while others do. Then there’s the dispersion aspect. Not gaining any yards or a small amount but having a ball be less off line while not sacrificing too much ball speed is significant for some. When I put the 917d3 in the bag over my 2016 M2 it was because the misses were more consistent. I didn’t gain distance but I would only lose 5 yards or so on a mishit and the ball would stay on the same line it started on.

with you last statement imo amateurs who don’t find center or consistently near it are the ones who have the most potential to gain from new releases. As brands improve the speed on off center hits and adjust center of gravity or feel things like twist face that inconsistent strike has a better chance of being less offline and distance gain by less movement laterally and better ball speed. 

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On 2/11/2020 at 5:30 PM, Tsecor said:

The TS2 seems to be the most "neutral" club where you can just line it up and hit it and expect "forgiveness".  The TS4 is intriguing because I am not a big fan of the 460cc heads......I gotta go check em out.

Exactly. I just bought TS2 and it is amazing. You can really put force into it and ball goes straight to the middle of fairway. I had Callaway Epic Flash, bought in fall. Never kind a liked it. And now TS2 kick 25 yards longer drives so my decision is clear. Callaway is now for sale.

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On 2/10/2020 at 12:17 PM, Tsecor said:

I am ready to move on from my 910 D3 which is a 440cc head.  Has anyone really tested the SIM yet? Its getting unbelievable reviews. If so, anyone test it against the TS series. I am a Titleist fanboi and really trying to expand my stubborn mentality. 

What happened to the 440 heads? everything is 460cc....not sure i like the bigger look......HELLPPP!!!!

Currently game the TS2 and love it; however, I am intrigued to try the SIM as well because I could benefit from decreasing spin to gain some yards. As I have always seemed to gravitate toward Titleist woods, I may just transfer over to a TS3 to get the performance I'm looking for, especially considering the price difference. 

If you test the SIM, let us know how it works for you!

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On 2/11/2020 at 12:18 PM, GolfSpy Stroker said:

Tiger, Rahm, Rory all had it in their bag last year....and won with it. 

Maybe it wasn't that popular with amateurs? 

M5 was really good for very fast players.   Sim more versatile imo. 

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To keep more inline with this thread..

 

I had ts3 and it was really good.   I thought the sound was a bit tingy for me.    Numbers were good.  It was pretty much on par with my rogue sub zero.   It destroyed m3 for me.   Sim  and sim max d were better in all metrics.   I actually hit ts3 and sim max about the same.
 

That brings us to sim.  I was so happy with the most wanted test.  I found the exact same results.  Sim max d won out by a lot.  Spin, launch, dispersion was all the best for me.   Regular sim was a touch longer but the spin numbers I think were to low for outdoor conditions (1700).   Sim max was good but I could only hit it right.    Sim max d was straight and I had the highest ball speed. (157)

I sim max d is a bit louder than the regular sim.   In all honesty I thought sim felt the best of the three, but I could not ignore the performance of max d.  It came down to riptide 60 6.0 tipped an inch and tour ad xc 6s tipped .5

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