Jump to content
jlukes

Driver swing speed vs carry/total distance

Recommended Posts

Our Sponsors

7 minutes ago, GolfSpy Stroker said:

I'm not a big hitter.... I'm closer in age to 50 than 40, 5'9, 185, swing speed right around 100.... hit the ball around 250 on avg.  had a few longish ones go 280 but never touched 300.

I went for a fitting with the SIM this weekend.

I was on an indoor LM.

9 degree head, Ventus blue shaft, stiff.  (don't even ask if it was "made for" or not - I have no clue and don't care)
I hit about 10 drives with that combo - 3 were *over* 300 total and longest was 307.... avg showed up as 270 carry, 295 total.  

I'd say the SIM is the real deal.  I haven't tried the TM but man that SIM max was really impressive.

Unfortunately it sounds like you were the victim of juiced launch monitor software 

 

Screenshot_20200210-151124.png

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
11 minutes ago, jlukes said:

Unfortunately it sounds like you were the victim of juiced launch monitor software 

 

Screenshot_20200210-151124.png

 

So you're saying that the PGA Superstore is deceiving their customers in order to drive sales?

Just noticed that this is trackman - they were using GC Hawk.... haha

BTW - there was absolutely no pressure to buy.  He told me what would work, wrote it down, I thanked him and left.
I don't care if I hit it over 300 or not.... If that's all I cared about I'd pump iron 4 hours a day, drink protein shakes 5 times a day and do the superspeed stuff until my arms fell off.... I just know that the driver went far and straight, had a 16* launch angle, the proper amount of spin and good ball speed.

 

  • Like 3

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
4 minutes ago, GolfSpy Stroker said:

 

So you're saying that the PGA Superstore is deceiving their customers in order to drive sales?

Just noticed that this is trackman - they were using GC Hawk.... haha

BTW - there was absolutely no pressure to buy.  He told me what would work, wrote it down, I thanked him and left.

Launch monitor doesn't matter. You're not going to get 270 carry unless you're swinging 110+ mph with ideal launch conditions. 

So I'm saying the launch monitor was not picking things up correctly, or they edited the conditions on the simulator software to inflate the numbers 

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
6 minutes ago, GolfSpy Stroker said:

 

So you're saying that the PGA Superstore is deceiving their customers in order to drive sales?

Just noticed that this is trackman - they were using GC Hawk.... haha

BTW - there was absolutely no pressure to buy.  He told me what would work, wrote it down, I thanked him and left.

Im basically the same stats; +/- 100mph swing speed and i was fit just last year for a TM M6 and average about 245-250. Thats with 1yr of real Arccos data (abt 20rds). My longest drive is 280. Any review i've watched has said the SIM will provide like 5yds more yardage.

Could always request a demo club to borrow and try on the course. Otherwise their launch monitor is wack

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, JonMUSC08 said:

Im basically the same stats; +/- 100mph swing speed and i was fit just last year for a TM M6 and average about 245-250. Thats with 1yr of real Arccos data (abt 20rds). My longest drive is 280. Any review i've watched has said the SIM will provide like 5yds more yardage.

Could always request a demo club to borrow and try on the course. Otherwise their launch monitor is wack

Okay... I don't know what kind of games they were playing, but these are my numbers, which may or may not be accurate. I've blacked out the distances, but the SIM was always longer by 5-7 yards than my gamer....which I was fit for but is 4+ years old so the extra distance isn't that surprising.  The launch and spin are encouraging.

IMG_20200208_143537~2.jpg

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Which PGA Tour Superstore was it? My buddy and I are going to be going soon so I'll want to keep my eye out for that.

Here's what Flightscope would suggest you should see (which I find mostly accurate)  https://flightscope.com/products/trajectory-optimizer/

Basically nothing really different especially if you bring strike into it.

Cobra:

Cobra.JPG.587652afe20ec0751f26bd471265c8d1.JPG

SIM:

1808534368_max9.0.JPG.e6b55cb19ccc7eb6af82c029e4b5aa8f.JPG

 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 hours ago, jlukes said:

Launch monitor doesn't matter. You're not going to get 270 carry unless you're swinging 110+ mph with ideal launch conditions. 

So I'm saying the launch monitor was not picking things up correctly, or they edited the conditions on the simulator software to inflate the numbers 

Having been to a pga superstore on multiple occasions their software can be buggy and or juiced. I’ve been in the tour van bays as well as the standard fitting bays and have registered some crazy numbers good and bad.

Distance sells so a juiced monitor at a big box store tends to be the norm 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

When testing on an unknown launch monitor always compare your current driver to the ones you are testing.   

  • Like 9

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
When testing on an unknown launch monitor always compare your current driver to the ones you are testing.   


Sound advice right there!


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
14 hours ago, B.Boston said:

Which PGA Tour Superstore was it? My buddy and I are going to be going soon so I'll want to keep my eye out for that.

Here's what Flightscope would suggest you should see (which I find mostly accurate)  https://flightscope.com/products/trajectory-optimizer/

Basically nothing really different especially if you bring strike into it.

Cobra:

Cobra.JPG.587652afe20ec0751f26bd471265c8d1.JPG

SIM:

 

 

Thanks for the link! This is really cool. Glad to be able to see that i'm getting the distance I should when i square one up correctly.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
16 hours ago, GolfSpy Stroker said:

I'm not a big hitter.... I'm closer in age to 50 than 40, 5'9, 185, swing speed right around 100.... hit the ball around 250 on avg.  had a few longish ones go 280 but never touched 300.

I went for a fitting with the SIM this weekend.

I was on an indoor LM.

9 degree head, Ventus blue shaft, stiff.  (don't even ask if it was "made for" or not - I have no clue and don't care)
I hit about 10 drives with that combo - 3 were *over* 300 total and longest was 307.... avg showed up as 270 carry, 295 total.  

I'd say the SIM is the real deal.  I haven't tried the TM but man that SIM max was really impressive.

wow....you and I are about the same profile so this is very interesting.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Tsecor said:

wow....you and I are about the same profile so this is very interesting.

Tsecor, you're not sniffing 270 carry with 100 mph or even 105 mph swing speed 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, jlukes said:

Tsecor, you're not sniffing 270 carry with 100 mph or even 105 mph swing speed 

Exactly. Those ball speeds need to be in the 160 range. 
 

ball speed 140 on lpga tour with 13ish launch and 2600 spin gets 218 carry. 
 

from a personal experience I did a fitting with TaylorMade for the m5 using trackman outdoor and set to optimized. Ball speeds were 147-149 with launch between 14-15* and spin between 1850s-2000s and carry distance was 245 to no more than 249.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

sorry dude.... something must've been amiss with the fitter.
I mean it looked official and all - at a reputable store - branded, GC Quad, etc.
(not me in the picture with the fitter)
IMG_20200208_140254.jpg

I should have guessed something was up.....
This chart is one I found online and seems fairly accurate.  (source: https://www.miasportstechnology.com/)
link: (https://www.miasportstechnology.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Driver-Speed-to-Distance.pdf)
image.png

He didn't measure my swing speed...it was probably a little higher than 100 - there's no punishment for a missed shot on these things so you can give it all you got.  I might've been around 105, but whatever.... it's not worth arguing over.

the point I was trying to make is that the driver is designed well, felt good, and worked for me. 

that's it.  Nothing more; nothing less.

this was NOT meant to be an exercise or debate on what your swing speed needs to be in order to carry the ball X number of yards and get X distance.

 

 

 

  • Like 4

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
14 minutes ago, GolfSpy Stroker said:

sorry dude.... something must've been amiss with the fitter.
I mean it looked official and all - at a reputable store - branded, GC Quad, etc.
(not me in the picture with the fitter)
IMG_20200208_140254.jpg

I should have guessed something was up.....
This chart is one I found online and seems fairly accurate.  (source: https://www.miasportstechnology.com/)
link: (https://www.miasportstechnology.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Driver-Speed-to-Distance.pdf)
image.png

He didn't measure my swing speed...it was probably a little higher than 100 - there's no punishment for a missed shot on these things so you can give it all you got.  I might've been around 105, but whatever.... it's not worth arguing over.

the point I was trying to make is that the driver is designed well, felt good, and worked for me. 

that's it.  Nothing more; nothing less.

this was NOT meant to be an exercise or debate on what your swing speed needs to be in order to carry the ball X number of yards and get X distance.

 

If there are members who wish to debate that fact I strongly encourage them to start a new thread and discuss it there.

 

Iirc club head speed isn’t measured by gcquad or any variation of it without the dots on the club or on the old gc2 without hmt system.

The more important data is ball speed, launch, spin, peak height, descent/land angle, standard deviation (not sure if this is measured by box box stores).

As for the fitting/store setup and reputation 1) some fitters are good but many times they aren’t very experienced fitters. The best/better fitters there are the ones who work on the tour van bay, similar to 2nd swing where they have hitting/fitting bays and then I’m the back of the store the tour fitting studio. 2) pga ss is a reputable store but they are in the business of selling clubs and distance sells so as mentioned unless you set a baseline with your current setup and compare that to on course or other launch monitor data it’s hard to know if the launch monitor is accurate or not. 3) gcquad tends to overestimate numbers on lower spin shots. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, jlukes said:

Tsecor, you're not sniffing 270 carry with 100 mph or even 105 mph swing speed 

I can sfiff it, I just cant smell it 🙂

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

To answer the JUICE question, yes the software can be juiced by the Admin user. Where I hit indoors the owner juices the older guys that want it juiced all the time. I like it, my 108-110 Swing carries 280+. I know I only hit about 245-255. 

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
23 hours ago, GolfSpy Stroker said:

sorry dude.... something must've been amiss with the fitter.
I mean it looked official and all - at a reputable store - branded, GC Quad, etc.
(not me in the picture with the fitter)
IMG_20200208_140254.jpg

I should have guessed something was up.....
This chart is one I found online and seems fairly accurate.  (source: https://www.miasportstechnology.com/)
link: (https://www.miasportstechnology.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Driver-Speed-to-Distance.pdf)
image.png

He didn't measure my swing speed...it was probably a little higher than 100 - there's no punishment for a missed shot on these things so you can give it all you got.  I might've been around 105, but whatever.... it's not worth arguing over.

the point I was trying to make is that the driver is designed well, felt good, and worked for me. 

that's it.  Nothing more; nothing less.

this was NOT meant to be an exercise or debate on what your swing speed needs to be in order to carry the ball X number of yards and get X distance.

 

 

 

Thanks for posting. I think it's a great discussion and reminder for everybody as new drivers get out and people get excited. Compare your current gamer, and then relax and think common sense. If you're seeing 10+ yards of improvement without an obvious culprit (maybe you had an older driver, or the shaft was a bad fit etc) then you need to pump the brakes and think. With the USGA limits on clubs there is just not enough meaningful technology improvement year over year, or even over five years, to justify that kind of increase. 

Give it the ole sniff test and remember that if it seems too good to be true, it probably is. 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
8 minutes ago, newballcoach said:

Thanks for posting. I think it's a great discussion and reminder for everybody as new drivers get out and people get excited. Compare your current gamer, and then relax and think common sense. If you're seeing 10+ yards of improvement without an obvious culprit (maybe you had an older driver, or the shaft was a bad fit etc) then you need to pump the brakes and think. With the USGA limits on clubs there is just not enough meaningful technology improvement year over year, or even over five years, to justify that kind of increase. 

Give it the ole sniff test and remember that if it seems too good to be true, it probably is. 

I’ll disagree that 10 yard gains can’t be seen in a year to year release of one does a proper fitting and considers multiple manufacturers. I’ve seen in it from the 917 to g400, there are seeing it with m3 and m5 to sim. I’ve heard people get it work Callaway releases within a back to back cycles. It will vary for everyone but to say it’s not possible is misleading 

  • Like 3

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
I’ll disagree that 10 yard gains can’t be seen in a year to year release of one does a proper fitting and considers multiple manufacturers. I’ve seen in it from the 917 to g400, there are seeing it with m3 and m5 to sim. I’ve heard people get it work Callaway releases within a back to back cycles. It will vary for everyone but to say it’s not possible is misleading 


I personally believe the advances in club design are not sweet spot centric but in expanding the sweet spot to deliver high ball speed for mishits. This by itself will result in distance increases for players that don’t hit the center consistently. While your max drive may not increase, your average distance will increase.

Find a driver that is optimized for you miss.
  • Like 3

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now

×
×
  • Create New...