2020 Official Member Review: Fujikura Motore X shaft

[Rtracymog]

55 minutes ago, azstu324 said:

Stellar job to everyone so far! Looks like a huge victory for Fujikura with a 4/4 success rate from a really diverse spectrum of testers! 

You can make that a clean sweep! 5/5

[revkev]

Mine is up as well. I see an issue with the video that I will address tomorrow -




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[StrokerAce]

Very well done everyone! 

Shaft reviews are some of the most challenging and you all did a tremendous job. Bravo!

[Nunfa0]

Great work spys, well written and thought out reviews. What would you all say is the one thing that makes this shaft better than your previous shafts?

[GolfSpy_BOS]

well you guys all made me want to go try this shaft.  Great results from a diverse group of swings!

[edingc]

Great work, everyone! Really enjoyed reading all of the reviews this morning.

[azstu324]

1 hour ago, Nunfa0 said:

Great work spys, well written and thought out reviews. What would you all say is the one thing that makes this shaft better than your previous shafts?

For starters, and this has nothing to do with the new shaft, but I've realized that my swing is definitely better suited for a 65g X flex instead of S. 

As for the difference in the MotoreX shaft vs my previous shaft AND others that I've tried, the difference I'm finding is that it's EXTREMELY stable and consistent through different types of swings. I'm not getting a different reaction if I let off the gas vs blasting one to space. Because the face isn't really twisting, how you deliver is how the ball goes. What's interesting though is the shaft is not lacking feeling in any way. It's not like a piece of rebar at all. The release is more smooth rather than an abrupt kick at the very end. Probably something to do with the slightly softer handle (relative to the rest of the shaft). Some shafts really require a good amount of lag to load up and get good release. The MotoreX doesn't feel like it it requires you to throw your hands way out in front. It swings with you. if that makes any sense. 

I think what I found most interesting is that I found a more natural feeling swing throughout this process. I realized that I was manipulating the club quite a bit to account for more torsional twist, which ultimately resulted in inconsistent dispersion. It's hard to realize that until you start playing a shaft like this. I think that some of us had to go through a period of swing correction at the beginning as we all probably had pre-programmed over compensations of sorts. 

 

Hopefully the others can either confirm or deny my claims just to get some comparisons.. 

 

I will add though that I was able to take my UST ProForce V2 and tip trim about 1.5" and put in an Adams Tight Lies2 3 wood and it has made a hell of a driver replacement that I can swing the guts out of with fantastic results! 

[revkev]

Great work spys, well written and thought out reviews. What would you all say is the one thing that makes this shaft better than your previous shafts?

Stability! It feels stable and creates a stable ball flight. Makes it very easy to put that extra umph into your swing


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[azstu324]

Rev I just went back and saw your video! With a little polish and practice, I think you might be able to start a channel Rev's Reviews.. I'd subscribe! nice work sir! 

 

 

[goaliewales14]

3 hours ago, Nunfa0 said:

Great work spys, well written and thought out reviews. What would you all say is the one thing that makes this shaft better than your previous shafts?

I'm going to echo @revkev on this and say 100% stability.  Even with NV Green shaft being extremely similar in profile, you can feel how the NV Green shaft twists more during my swing.  Something I would say I never noticed a difference before having a shaft like the Motore X.  TXG just recently did a comparison of the Fujikura Ventus shafts, stock (no VeloCore) vs aftermarket (w/VeloCore).  Even though it's not the Motore X, I would say that it's a great representation of what I was seeing.  If you guys recall my strike pattern photo earlier in this review, the stability in the Motore X allowed me to be much more consistent.  The NV Green shaft isn't a bad shaft, it's just that the Motore X is just that much better!

 

[revkev]

Rev I just went back and saw your video! With a little polish and practice, I think you might be able to start a channel Rev's Reviews.. I'd subscribe! nice work sir! 
 
 

You’re too kind - remember that I do two you tube videos a week for church. Laura and I make a good team - we could be the new Frank and Valerie! :)


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[dlow206]

5 hours ago, Nunfa0 said:

Great work spys, well written and thought out reviews. What would you all say is the one thing that makes this shaft better than your previous shafts?

For me, the swing happens so quickly that I rarely "feel" much difference in shafts that are within a similar profile. For me, I judge mostly on ball flight. When I am putting a decent swing on the ball, the trajectory is a perfect mid-high trajectory and the spin is sufficiently high (i tend to suffer from too low spin). I also can take an easier swing, a normal swing, and also really go after it, and each has predictable results unless I put a horrible swing out there.

[Rtracymog]

6 hours ago, Nunfa0 said:

Great work spys, well written and thought out reviews. What would you all say is the one thing that makes this shaft better than your previous shafts?

I think that the feel definitely sets it apart from any other shaft I've ever hit.  Also, the ability to say, "I'm going to aim right between the V in those trees," and then watch the ball fly exactly where I wanted it, is a huge upgrade for me.

[Rtracymog]

2 hours ago, azstu324 said:

The release is more smooth rather than an abrupt kick at the very end. Probably something to do with the slightly softer handle (relative to the rest of the shaft). Some shafts really require a good amount of lag to load up and get good release. The MotoreX doesn't feel like it it requires you to throw your hands way out in front. It swings with you. if that makes any sense. 

I think what I found most interesting is that I found a more natural feeling swing throughout this process. I realized that I was manipulating the club quite a bit to account for more torsional twist, which ultimately resulted in inconsistent dispersion. It's hard to realize that until you start playing a shaft like this. I think that some of us had to go through a period of swing correction at the beginning as we all probably had pre-programmed over compensations of sorts. 

 

Hopefully the others can either confirm or deny my claims just to get some comparisons.. 

 

@Nunfa0I'm absolutely on board with Stu here.  I wanted anti-left and I got it.  I needed to make some adjustments both in my swing and the driver set up.   The weird part for me is that I've always been an "in to out" swing guy and I used to hit up about 4 or 5 degrees.  Whether consciously or unconsciously, my path became more neutral and so did my attack angle.  I don't know if I can credit the shaft with that, but maybe getting a shaft that had these characteristics made me realize that I'd been doing things wrong for a long time.

[azstu324]

26 minutes ago, Rtracymog said:

@Nunfa0I'm absolutely on board with Stu here.  I wanted anti-left and I got it.  I needed to make some adjustments both in my swing and the driver set up.   The weird part for me is that I've always been an "in to out" swing guy and I used to hit up about 4 or 5 degrees.  Whether consciously or unconsciously, my path became more neutral and so did my attack angle.  I don't know if I can credit the shaft with that, but maybe getting a shaft that had these characteristics made me realize that I'd been doing things wrong for a long time.

I guess the big question is: Is everybody doing it wrong?  We all seemed to be making those same compensations for the equipment defaults. Finally, we get a shaft that has those defaults corrected and we now have to learn how to correctly swing a club again. I'm with you, I have always been a big in to out guy which seems to require a bit more effort and body movement. Being able to neutralize both my back swing and follow through, almost seems a bit more effortless and with better results. 

Some feedback from @Fujikura Golf on this matter would definitely help solidify some of our conclusions. 

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[azstu324]

14 hours ago, Rtracymog said:

You can make that a clean sweep! 5/5

Hey man I'm not sure how I missed your review post. I thought it was still pending. My apologies. Awesome job! 

 

[Rtracymog]

1 minute ago, azstu324 said:

Hey man I'm not sure how I missed your review post. I thought it was still pending. My apologies. Awesome job! 

 

Thanks! You had posted the 4/4 before I uploaded mine! Great job as well!

[goaliewales14]

1 hour ago, Rtracymog said:

@Nunfa0I'm absolutely on board with Stu here.  I wanted anti-left and I got it.  I needed to make some adjustments both in my swing and the driver set up.   The weird part for me is that I've always been an "in to out" swing guy and I used to hit up about 4 or 5 degrees.  Whether consciously or unconsciously, my path became more neutral and so did my attack angle.  I don't know if I can credit the shaft with that, but maybe getting a shaft that had these characteristics made me realize that I'd been doing things wrong for a long time.

 

45 minutes ago, azstu324 said:

I guess the big question is: Is everybody doing it wrong?  We all seemed to be making those same compensations for the equipment defaults. Finally, we get a shaft that has those defaults corrected and we now have to learn how to correctly swing a club again. I'm with you, I have always been a big in to out guy which seems to require a bit more effort and body movement. Being able to neutralize both my back swing and follow through, almost seems a bit more effortless and with better results. 

 

I'm going to throw out a guess and see if it makes sense to anyone   Throughout this review I definitely changed my settings during this test.  I had one fully LM session for it, but I never changed my swing.  Even though I didn't change my swing, my AoA did slightly change.  I venture to guess that a lot of the changes have to do with the makeup of each shaft. 

If you watch a lot of fitters, they might see that you're launching the ball way too high and have a AoA of 7up (extreme just for reference).  They might try and correct that by giving you a stiff tip section shaft so it doesn't whip as much.  That way when you release it, it might take your AoA down to 4up now, but now your spin might be just a hair low.  Then they might take the CG of the club and force it a bit back to raise it.  They could also loft up a bit.  It's almost like we had to go a mini fitting when we threw in the Motore X since our current setup was optimized for our old shafts.

[dlow206]

1 hour ago, azstu324 said:

I guess the big question is: Is everybody doing it wrong?  We all seemed to be making those same compensations for the equipment defaults. Finally, we get a shaft that has those defaults corrected and we now have to learn how to correctly swing a club again. I'm with you, I have always been a big in to out guy which seems to require a bit more effort and body movement. Being able to neutralize both my back swing and follow through, almost seems a bit more effortless and with better results. 

Some feedback from @Fujikura Golf on this matter would definitely help solidify some of our conclusions. 

(Bat Signal has been sent) 

I haven't made any conscious swing changes with driver since the start of this test, but I did fix a fundamental flaw in my grip. I was holding the grip in a way that caused my left palm to come off the grip and when I regripped on the downswing, it would cause the left wrist to cup more, causing the face to be open on the downswing. 

My hypothesis is that during my Trackman session, the Evenflow Max Carry had better results because it was a lighter, softer tip shaft, so the face would close a bit faster to square it up. With the Motore, the face remained a bit more open so I either had to have more hand action to square it up or I would flip at the end causing big snap hooks.

Once I fixed that fundamental grip flaw, it was bombs away with the Motore X F3.

[Fujikura Golf]

On 5/31/2020 at 12:15 PM, dlow206 said:

The Motore X has firmly made its place in my bag!

Today, I cleaned up a fundamental issue with my setup (gripping the club too lightly and left hand coming off at the top of the swing and then regripping the club and hitting snap hooks). After that, my SIM Max with Motore X F3 was money. I was hitting drives 240 to 250 carry down the middle, which may not be far for others, but for me that is in the outer limits of how far I have ever carried the ball. 

I was able to carry a bunker that was 250 yards out, but unfortunately got 0 roll. It was wet and the ball plugged and buried itself in the fairway where it landed. I have never even gotten close to carrying that bunker even from the white tees and I carried it today from the blue!

Love to hear this! We know most of you guys love to tinker and try new equipment, so when our shafts wni out that is major validation for us!

On 6/3/2020 at 8:52 PM, azstu324 said:

Stellar job to everyone so far! Looks like a huge victory for Fujikura with a 4/4 success rate from a really diverse spectrum of testers! 

Agreed, thanks everyone for being so engaged on Motore X and sharing your feedback/questions. Apologies for being somewhat MIA. We're going to cruise back through the thread and try to address any questions you have had.