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As mentioned above, shortening can be great for finding the middle of the face, but do not throw off your swing weight in an attempt to find consistency. The TXG boys did a great breakdown.

 

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17 minutes ago, cmhayden said:

As mentioned above, shortening can be great for finding the middle of the face, but do not throw off your swing weight in an attempt to find consistency. The TXG boys did a great breakdown.

Shortening shafts is about fitting a club;  most people tend to cut down and bring back to original swing weight.  What of the original swing weight wasn't right for the golfer?   

Also lots of things can change swing weight such as :  shaft length (what this thread is about), grip weight, shaft weight,  shaft balance point,  and lie angle changes

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On 5/30/2020 at 5:37 AM, cmhayden said:

As mentioned above, shortening can be great for finding the middle of the face, but do not throw off your swing weight in an attempt to find consistency. The TXG boys did a great breakdown.

 

Thanks for posting this! Interesting how they said 9 SW light was “unplayable”.What I don’t know is what the ideal/correct SW is for most players, and if it truly differs that much . It seems like ~D3 is what most manufacturers shoot for, but to consil’s point, what if that is not correct for a certain player? Do some players benefit from a C 5 SW? I’ve never heard of that, but by no means have I seen enough players (Too small of sample size) to feel good about saying it is very rare. 
 

any thoughts?

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Thanks for posting this! Interesting how they said 9 SW light was “unplayable”.What I don’t know is what the ideal/correct SW is for most players, and if it truly differs that much . It seems like ~D3 is what most manufacturers shoot for, but to consil’s point, what if that is not correct for a certain player? Do some players benefit from a C 5 SW? I’ve never heard of that, but by no means have I seen enough players (Too small of sample size) to feel good about saying it is very rare. 
 
any thoughts?
Also, If I may: How do you post videos from outside sources? I actually tried to keep getting a “Forbidden”errorI’m kinda new here. So please forgive the question

After our discussion about SW, I really want to take mine in to see what mine actually is. Need to get back to MGS headquarters so I can check. Depending on what it is, I may buy some weights to experiment. While I did reduce shaft length, I also have a lighter shaft and different grip and depending on where the balance point is with the shaft i may not have lost 9 SW points.

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4 hours ago, cnosil said:


After our discussion about SW, I really want to take mine in to see what mine actually is. Need to get back to MGS headquarters so I can check. Depending on what it is, I may buy some weights to experiment. While I did reduce shaft length, I also have a lighter shaft and different grip and depending on where the balance point is with the shaft i may not have lost 9 SW points.

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Thank you! Yea SW does seem like a very fickle thing let alone overall weight! That guy in the video is obviously way outside of the range of normal as he was flying it 300 and barely missing the center of the face. It was interesting however how the shorter driver needed to be significantly heavier (in overall weight) to retain a similar swing weight. And that was only cutting off 1.5 inches. 
 

Gotta admit it’s really making me wonder if I’d benefit from a shorter driver! I’ve always liked heavier overall weight for control. 

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I had a lovely experiment of what happens with my game when one doesn't add back the weight to a shorter driver.  Unfortunately, I didn't realize at first that I was involved in this experiment.  🤨

Played a couple days ago, taking the day off from work.  Was planning on playing my King LTD, in which I'd plugged a Rogue Black 70 3w shaft (coincidentally from a King LTD 3w).  I'd added tape to bring it back up.  First couple holes, hooked it like crazy.  Club felt a bit light, but I'd just added the tape, so chalked it up to dropping down from steel shafted persimmons and not instantly adjusting.  After a couple more holes, and hooking only this club, I quit hitting it for the day, used another stick the rest of the way (was carrying a couple drivers, this was a test round).  This other driver was just fine.

Got home, put it on the scale, sure enough, my "it feels light" was not just me; it was at D1 instead of the D6 I'd taped it at.  Checked the club, and some of the tape I'd applied had fallen off.  It seems I was a bit hasty in putting it on the clubhead, it may have been a bit loose, or I had a bad bit of adhesive in the wrong place at the wrong time.

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On 6/4/2020 at 6:38 AM, NRJyzr said:

I had a lovely experiment of what happens with my game when one doesn't add back the weight to a shorter driver.  Unfortunately, I didn't realize at first that I was involved in this experiment.  🤨

Played a couple days ago, taking the day off from work.  Was planning on playing my King LTD, in which I'd plugged a Rogue Black 70 3w shaft (coincidentally from a King LTD 3w).  I'd added tape to bring it back up.  First couple holes, hooked it like crazy.  Club felt a bit light, but I'd just added the tape, so chalked it up to dropping down from steel shafted persimmons and not instantly adjusting.  After a couple more holes, and hooking only this club, I quit hitting it for the day, used another stick the rest of the way (was carrying a couple drivers, this was a test round).  This other driver was just fine.

Got home, put it on the scale, sure enough, my "it feels light" was not just me; it was at D1 instead of the D6 I'd taped it at.  Checked the club, and some of the tape I'd applied had fallen off.  It seems I was a bit hasty in putting it on the clubhead, it may have been a bit loose, or I had a bad bit of adhesive in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Lovely.  

Y’all are way more innovative than me! I guess I need to tinker more. Haven’t had the balls to DIY much of my equipment, but I also don’t have a garage with the appropriate equipment. I do have a pretty good relationship with my club builder though! He’s always shocked when I can feel the difference of a few CPMs, Or one less wrap on the grip when he messes up. But I’m kinda a freak. Anyone else able to feel these little things?

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Y’all are way more innovative than me! I guess I need to tinker more. Haven’t had the balls to DIY much of my equipment, but I also don’t have a garage with the appropriate equipment. I do have a pretty good relationship with my club builder though! He’s always shocked when I can feel the difference of a few CPMs, Or one less wrap on the grip when he messes up. But I’m kinda a freak. Anyone else able to feel these little things?

I really don’t feel a lot when it comes to clubs. I can feel boardy vs smooth in a shaft but that is about all. The big thing I notice is putter grip alignment. Give me a putter with a misaligned grip and it feel really odd.


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15 minutes ago, cnosil said:

I really don’t feel a lot when it comes to clubs. I can feel boardy vs smooth in a shaft but that is about all. The big thing I notice is putter grip alignment. Give me a putter with a misaligned grip and it feel really odd.

 

... I have always felt "feel" was a blessing and a curse. It certainly helps with putting and the short game but can be a problem with equipment. I remember before I did my own work I had a driver regripped and they did not take off the layer of tape, just put another on top. I called them on it and the guy working at Golfsmith is he always does it and I was the first to complain. I doubted that but one wrap more or less and my feel is off. Same with swing weight. If it is off 2 points I am bothered by the difference. Does it make any difference in performance? I would think none at all so ignorance is bliss. 

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On 6/8/2020 at 12:23 PM, cnosil said:

I really don’t feel a lot when it comes to clubs. I can feel boardy vs smooth in a shaft but that is about all. The big thing I notice is putter grip alignment. Give me a putter with a misaligned grip and it feel really odd.

💯 with you on this one! Have you ever had ribbed or reminder grips installed? Those too can put me in a real tizzy if not perfect. Seems like a new trend in this category is “align” grips. Still can’t deal with them because being a little off makes me quiver! 

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On 6/8/2020 at 12:43 PM, chisag said:

 

... I have always felt "feel" was a blessing and a curse. It certainly helps with putting and the short game but can be a problem with equipment. I remember before I did my own work I had a driver regripped and they did not take off the layer of tape, just put another on top. I called them on it and the guy working at Golfsmith is he always does it and I was the first to complain. I doubted that but one wrap more or less and my feel is off. Same with swing weight. If it is off 2 points I am bothered by the difference. Does it make any difference in performance? I would think none at all so ignorance is bliss. 

Agree agree agree. I wish I could turn off my psychopathic equipment feel sometimes. 


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Guess I’m lucky to be in the catagory of ignorance is bliss. I can feel the difference between a reg and a mid size grip, but can’t feel one wrap of tape.

swing weight I’m clueless, altho when I went from 65g f3’s to steel 115’s, I shanked about 30 in a row and had to actually back up about an inch and a half to hit the face. But I didn’t really “feel” the difference.

but I don’t know what the SW was of either...🤔

youde think I should know these things...

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I recently did a driver fitting and we found that going from standard length to 44.5 greatly reduced my dispersion by increasing my center strike. I didn't sacrifice anything distance wise as well. I went from around 45 yards between left and right shots to 25 yards. It felt strange holding a shorter driver, but I couldn't argue with the results.

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I recently did a driver fitting and we found that going from standard length to 44.5 greatly reduced my dispersion by increasing my center strike. I didn't sacrifice anything distance wise as well. I went from around 45 yards between left and right shots to 25 yards. It felt strange holding a shorter driver, but I couldn't argue with the results.

Won’t be long before feeling “strange” will turn into feeling “like holding a sledgehammer” as you pound them down the fairway.


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Won’t be long before feeling “strange” will turn into feeling “like holding a sledgehammer” as you pound them down the fairway. emoji106.png


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That's the hope. I haven't been a straight driver of the golf ball and its really held back my scores over the last few years. I think being able to find 2-3 more fairways a round with the driver with my length would be huge

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2 hours ago, Flip4000 said:

I recently did a driver fitting and we found that going from standard length to 44.5 greatly reduced my dispersion by increasing my center strike. I didn't sacrifice anything distance wise as well. I went from around 45 yards between left and right shots to 25 yards. It felt strange holding a shorter driver, but I couldn't argue with the results.

Wow. That is some impressive GAINZ! What a fairway finder u’ve got now! 


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3 minutes ago, Golferschmitt said:

Wow. That is some impressive GAINZ! What a fairway finder u’ve got now! 

Yeah I was shocked that essentially an inch could make that big of a difference. It was night and day consistency 

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I have 3 shafts 44" 44.75 and 45.5". Usually I use the 44.75 but on a tight course I swap to the 44". The only time I use the 45.5 is in Winter as it gives me a few extra metres and as you do not get as much run I can afford to be a little wild. 


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I don’t know, call me crazy, but I’m going to a fitter before cutting the shaft on a $500 driver.

Ideally you’d get fit first and the OEM would then make sure to handle the swing weight issue for you at build.

I’ve also seen different head/shaft combos pop at different shaft lengths - for me. Generally speaking though 45” seems to work best. They are b people who do better linger though it’s always a juggling act - what an I square up in the center of the club most frequently


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