dlow206 10,582 Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 Just got mine today. First off, the "factory second" doesn't really have any blemishes to my eye. Second, what kind of wizardry is going on with this putter (i know its torque balanced). It feels so light going back but it goes back on the path i am expecting to go back on. 3 Quote Follow my golf journey to break into the 80s Tester for the Titleist TSi Driver Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft Updated 11/13/2021 Driver: TSi 2 - Autoflex Fairway Woods: TSi2 3 wood, 5 wood - Aldila Ascent 60 S Irons: T300 5 to SW - LAGP AXS Red 85 Stiff double soft stepped Wedges: K-grind 2.0 58 wedge - Xcaliber RT Spin Wedge 100 Putter: SIK DW Armlock - LAGP 180 armlock shaft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlow206 10,582 Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Still trying to get used to this putter. First, you definitely can still push and pull putts like any other putter. Second, there are some suggested changes to grip pressure and ball position, so still trying to get a feel for those. A suggested drill is to putt with thumbs off the grip and that does help. One thing I did notice is the roll that the putter putts on the ball is excellent. I have Eyeline black and white balls for putting drills so you can see the roll of the ball. No wobbles with this putter, puts a beautiful roll on the ball even if you mishit. 5 Quote Follow my golf journey to break into the 80s Tester for the Titleist TSi Driver Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft Updated 11/13/2021 Driver: TSi 2 - Autoflex Fairway Woods: TSi2 3 wood, 5 wood - Aldila Ascent 60 S Irons: T300 5 to SW - LAGP AXS Red 85 Stiff double soft stepped Wedges: K-grind 2.0 58 wedge - Xcaliber RT Spin Wedge 100 Putter: SIK DW Armlock - LAGP 180 armlock shaft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joen 801 Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 1 hour ago, dlow206 said: Still trying to get used to this putter. First, you definitely can still push and pull putts like any other putter. Second, there are some suggested changes to grip pressure and ball position, so still trying to get a feel for those. A suggested drill is to putt with thumbs off the grip and that does help. One thing I did notice is the roll that the putter putts on the ball is excellent. I have Eyeline black and white balls for putting drills so you can see the roll of the ball. No wobbles with this putter, puts a beautiful roll on the ball even if you mishit. Best advice I can give you is to try and consciously make your hands do nothing to manipulate the putt. Sounds easy but difficult in reality. Once you figure out how to do this Consistently you will see the magic of this putter. Enjoy the process! 3 Quote G 400 driver with Aldila DVS 55-SR shaft (FAIRWAY FINDING MONSTER) Aero Burner 16 degree mini driver regular flex Rogue Heavenwood regular flex Icon/PTX Pro Combo Set. VKTR hybrid. Equalizer Wedges 50, 54, 58 degrees Odyssey Two Ball Triple Track Putter, 32 inches LAB Golf Directed Force 2.1 putter, 32 inches, 70 degree lie angle Right Handed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlow206 10,582 Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 Figured out my issues over the past couple of days in working out the small kinks. First major cause of me pulling putts was posture, which was causing me to cut across the ball. Once that was fixed, then the balls started going a bit right. Next I moved the ball more forward in my stance (this was a recommendation from LAB). Now its all good at least for carpet putting. Won't get the distance control worked out until I putt on a real green. 2 Quote Follow my golf journey to break into the 80s Tester for the Titleist TSi Driver Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft Updated 11/13/2021 Driver: TSi 2 - Autoflex Fairway Woods: TSi2 3 wood, 5 wood - Aldila Ascent 60 S Irons: T300 5 to SW - LAGP AXS Red 85 Stiff double soft stepped Wedges: K-grind 2.0 58 wedge - Xcaliber RT Spin Wedge 100 Putter: SIK DW Armlock - LAGP 180 armlock shaft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlow206 10,582 Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 Just got an absurd deal on a Stability shaft, so that will be going in as soon as i get my new LAB grip. 1 Quote Follow my golf journey to break into the 80s Tester for the Titleist TSi Driver Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft Updated 11/13/2021 Driver: TSi 2 - Autoflex Fairway Woods: TSi2 3 wood, 5 wood - Aldila Ascent 60 S Irons: T300 5 to SW - LAGP AXS Red 85 Stiff double soft stepped Wedges: K-grind 2.0 58 wedge - Xcaliber RT Spin Wedge 100 Putter: SIK DW Armlock - LAGP 180 armlock shaft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlow206 10,582 Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 Puts a really nice roll on the ball 3 Quote Follow my golf journey to break into the 80s Tester for the Titleist TSi Driver Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft Updated 11/13/2021 Driver: TSi 2 - Autoflex Fairway Woods: TSi2 3 wood, 5 wood - Aldila Ascent 60 S Irons: T300 5 to SW - LAGP AXS Red 85 Stiff double soft stepped Wedges: K-grind 2.0 58 wedge - Xcaliber RT Spin Wedge 100 Putter: SIK DW Armlock - LAGP 180 armlock shaft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirchunksalot 15,575 Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 1 hour ago, dlow206 said: Puts a really nice roll on the ball That roll does look good. How easy has it been to get used to the look of the putter behind the ball? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlow206 10,582 Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, sirchunksalot said: That roll does look good. How easy has it been to get used to the look of the putter behind the ball? Looks wise, not really any adjustment, except for making sure the putter is grounded completely flat and not toe up at all. I guess the other partially looks related adjustment is moving the ball more forward in the stance. At first, it looks way too far forward and you feel like there is no way you can hit the ball on the correct path, but it works, you have to get used to trusting it. 3 Quote Follow my golf journey to break into the 80s Tester for the Titleist TSi Driver Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft Updated 11/13/2021 Driver: TSi 2 - Autoflex Fairway Woods: TSi2 3 wood, 5 wood - Aldila Ascent 60 S Irons: T300 5 to SW - LAGP AXS Red 85 Stiff double soft stepped Wedges: K-grind 2.0 58 wedge - Xcaliber RT Spin Wedge 100 Putter: SIK DW Armlock - LAGP 180 armlock shaft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlow206 10,582 Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 Putting my DF 2.1 in play later today, will update with how it goes. One thing I will say is that LAB Golf has great customer service. I had a question about self installing a stability shaft on a DF 2.1 and Matt from LAB Golf gave me a call and talked through a few things to look out for when installing a stability shaft into a putter. 1 Quote Follow my golf journey to break into the 80s Tester for the Titleist TSi Driver Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft Updated 11/13/2021 Driver: TSi 2 - Autoflex Fairway Woods: TSi2 3 wood, 5 wood - Aldila Ascent 60 S Irons: T300 5 to SW - LAGP AXS Red 85 Stiff double soft stepped Wedges: K-grind 2.0 58 wedge - Xcaliber RT Spin Wedge 100 Putter: SIK DW Armlock - LAGP 180 armlock shaft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlow206 10,582 Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 For anyone considering changing out the stock KBS shaft with a Stability shaft and are considering doing it themselves, two things based on my experience from today: If you use the method of installing the Stability shaft where you cut off part of the old shaft, the stock KBS shaft is heavily tipped. Stability shaft says to cut 8.25" above the putter head, but if you measure the diameter of the stock KBS shaft in the Stability shaft, it is above 0.400" which won't fit into any of the Stability shaft adapters If you want to use the method where you put in a full Stability shaft including the straight in tip that comes with it, this one is not easy either. Some of the older versions of the DF 2.1 (I think Matt said March and earlier), uses an interference fit (i.e. not just putting the epoxy on the tip, but pounding the shaft into the head for a super tight fit). LAB does not recommend pulling the shaft on the versions with the interference fit, but I did it anyway. Even with a lot of heat, its not as easy as pulling an iron or putter with a steel shaft. I had to keep twisting with all of my strength to get that thing out. Got it out successfully though, and then put in the new tip that comes with the Stability shaft by putting on epoxy and pounding it in with a rubber mallet. 2 Quote Follow my golf journey to break into the 80s Tester for the Titleist TSi Driver Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft Updated 11/13/2021 Driver: TSi 2 - Autoflex Fairway Woods: TSi2 3 wood, 5 wood - Aldila Ascent 60 S Irons: T300 5 to SW - LAGP AXS Red 85 Stiff double soft stepped Wedges: K-grind 2.0 58 wedge - Xcaliber RT Spin Wedge 100 Putter: SIK DW Armlock - LAGP 180 armlock shaft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berg Ryman 5,409 Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 Interesting now that LAB is sending these to prominent YouTube golf.folks, they're ending up in bags. Right now Steve Buzza has a B.2 and today Peter Finch released a video and he now games the DF 2.1 3 Quote In a Hoofer Lite bag ST180, 10.5, Kuro Kage Silver TINI Dual Core 60-S Epic Flash Sub Zero, 15*, Kuro Kage Silver TINI Dual Core 60-S CBX119 18* Hybrid, Project X Evenflow Blue, 6.0 JPX 921 Hot Metal Pro 4-P, Nippon 950GH Stiff Flex Hi Toe Raw 48* (bent from 50*), 53* (bent from 54*), and 58*, Nippon 950GH Stiff Flex SIK Golf Flo-C Pro V1X, 2021 Model, #33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlow206 10,582 Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 2 hours ago, Berg Ryman said: Interesting now that LAB is sending these to prominent YouTube golf.folks, they're ending up in bags. Right now Steve Buzza has a B.2 and today Peter Finch released a video and he now games the DF 2.1 Seems like a good marketing tactic for a smaller company. Don't have to pay pros to use, just offer free product to social media influencers. 1 Quote Follow my golf journey to break into the 80s Tester for the Titleist TSi Driver Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft Updated 11/13/2021 Driver: TSi 2 - Autoflex Fairway Woods: TSi2 3 wood, 5 wood - Aldila Ascent 60 S Irons: T300 5 to SW - LAGP AXS Red 85 Stiff double soft stepped Wedges: K-grind 2.0 58 wedge - Xcaliber RT Spin Wedge 100 Putter: SIK DW Armlock - LAGP 180 armlock shaft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edingc 11,889 Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 On 10/11/2020 at 8:22 AM, dlow206 said: One thing I will say is that LAB Golf has great customer service. I had a question about self installing a stability shaft on a DF 2.1 and Matt from LAB Golf gave me a call and talked through a few things to look out for when installing a stability shaft into a putter. Matt was excellent when I worked with him a few weeks ago. Multiple phone calls and emails to make sure what I was ordering was going to work for me. It was an expensive purchase but I'm not doubting my decision at all. On that note, I'm hoping it is in by next weekend! 3 Quote Unofficial WHS Handicap: 8.4 / Anti-Cap: 15.2 (Last Updated May 17, 2022) Driver: Callaway Epic Max LS (9°), 45.75", Fujikura Motore X F1 6X | Club Champion Fitting 17° Hybrid: Callaway Super Hybrid, 41.5", Mitsubishi MMT Hybrid 80 TX 21° Hybrid: Callaway Epic Flash, 40", Mitsubishi MMT Hybrid 80 TX 4 Utility: Cobra KING Utility (2020 Model), 38.5", UST Mamiya Recoil 110 F5 5-PW: Ben Hogan PTx Pro, 37" 7 Iron, Aerotech SteelFiber i125cw Stiff | Club Champion Fitting 50°, 54°, 58°: Cobra KING MIM Black, KBS Hi Rev 2.0 Stiff | #CobraConnect Review Putter: L.A.B. Golf DF 2.1, 36", 68°, Black with Custom Sightlines, BGT Stability Tour, L.A.B. Press II 3° | Unofficial Review Grips: Star Sidewinder, Undersized with Custom Tape Build-Up Ball: Snell MTB-X Optic Yellow Tracked By: Shot Scope H4 Bag: Personalized 2020 Sun Mountain Sync Riding On: CaddyTek Caddylite EZ V8 | Unofficial Review WITB? | 2021 Reviewer Maxfli Tour and Tour X Balls | 2020 Participant #CobraConnect Challenge | 2019 Reviewer Callaway Epic Flash Driver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlow206 10,582 Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 1 hour ago, edingc said: Matt was excellent when I worked with him a few weeks ago. Multiple phone calls and emails to make sure what I was ordering was going to work for me. It was an expensive purchase but I'm not doubting my decision at all. On that note, I'm hoping it is in by next weekend! Nice. I went the cheap route, got the Ebay factory second, and then separately got a good deal on a stability shaft and installed it yesterday and regripped this morning. It is possible that my self-installation of the stability shaft could mess with the balance slightly, but they said likely not noticeable. If the DF 2.1 continues to work out well, i have a bad feeling that I will sell this one and get a brand new one. That probably doesn't make sense, but if i were to by a brand new one, it would be perfectly balanced to spec including shaft selection and grip selection. 1 Quote Follow my golf journey to break into the 80s Tester for the Titleist TSi Driver Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft Updated 11/13/2021 Driver: TSi 2 - Autoflex Fairway Woods: TSi2 3 wood, 5 wood - Aldila Ascent 60 S Irons: T300 5 to SW - LAGP AXS Red 85 Stiff double soft stepped Wedges: K-grind 2.0 58 wedge - Xcaliber RT Spin Wedge 100 Putter: SIK DW Armlock - LAGP 180 armlock shaft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom D. 577 Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 On 5/22/2020 at 10:45 AM, Quigleyd said: These are kind of a bad idea used as well. The honestly are very individually fit. As they should be, but its not like other putters. If you pick one of these up that was fit for someone else. They feel really weird. You can do a FREE remote fitting (directions on the LABGolf website) to get your specs, then you can check on the bay to see if you can find a used one, or the factory seconds that they list there under labgolfoutlet. Depending on how unique your specs are, it may take awhile, or you can get lucky right away and find one. 1 Quote I'm decidedly brand agnostic -- but a bit less so with my recent change from a PING driver - TSi2 10.5 Driver - Tensei AV Raw Blue 55 R - TS2 4W - Graphite Design Tour AD DI 6 RS & TS2 7W - Alta CB 65 R - Baffler 23* - Aldila NV-HL 65 R - Original Series 0211 - 5-PW - MMT 80 S - CBX2 50 / 54 / 58 - Rotex - Directed Force 2.1 (Nickel) - KBS Tour - Press No. II 3* - MTB Black - DG Lite II cart bag attached via Top-Lok to - Quad XL and Tracked by - V3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom D. 577 Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 On 5/22/2020 at 10:48 AM, scooterhd2 said: you cant bend the lie angle? NO, you can't bend the lie angle -- that is if you want it to stay lie angle balanced, which is the whole point. Quote I'm decidedly brand agnostic -- but a bit less so with my recent change from a PING driver - TSi2 10.5 Driver - Tensei AV Raw Blue 55 R - TS2 4W - Graphite Design Tour AD DI 6 RS & TS2 7W - Alta CB 65 R - Baffler 23* - Aldila NV-HL 65 R - Original Series 0211 - 5-PW - MMT 80 S - CBX2 50 / 54 / 58 - Rotex - Directed Force 2.1 (Nickel) - KBS Tour - Press No. II 3* - MTB Black - DG Lite II cart bag attached via Top-Lok to - Quad XL and Tracked by - V3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom D. 577 Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 On 10/10/2020 at 10:40 AM, dlow206 said: Looks wise, not really any adjustment, except for making sure the putter is grounded completely flat and not toe up at all. I guess the other partially looks related adjustment is moving the ball more forward in the stance. At first, it looks way too far forward and you feel like there is no way you can hit the ball on the correct path, but it works, you have to get used to trusting it. you want the bottom tip of the shaft in the middle of your stance, so that will result in the ball being forward. Quote I'm decidedly brand agnostic -- but a bit less so with my recent change from a PING driver - TSi2 10.5 Driver - Tensei AV Raw Blue 55 R - TS2 4W - Graphite Design Tour AD DI 6 RS & TS2 7W - Alta CB 65 R - Baffler 23* - Aldila NV-HL 65 R - Original Series 0211 - 5-PW - MMT 80 S - CBX2 50 / 54 / 58 - Rotex - Directed Force 2.1 (Nickel) - KBS Tour - Press No. II 3* - MTB Black - DG Lite II cart bag attached via Top-Lok to - Quad XL and Tracked by - V3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom D. 577 Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 On 10/13/2020 at 6:20 AM, edingc said: Matt was excellent when I worked with him a few weeks ago. Multiple phone calls and emails to make sure what I was ordering was going to work for me. It was an expensive purchase but I'm not doubting my decision at all. On that note, I'm hoping it is in by next weekend! Yep, Matt@labgolf is great to work with. Since you use it approximately 40% of the time, your putter has EVERY RIGHT to be the most expensive club in your bag. As opposed to the big dog that only comes out to hunt about 14 times per round. I think you'll be well pleased. I've had L.A.B. Golf putters for about a year now, and consider them the best thing on the planet for making the ball rattle in the bottom of the cup in the fewest strokes possible. I tried both the B.2 and the DF 2.1, and settled on the DF since it is so forgiving of heel and toe strikes. It allows me to look at my target while I take my stroke, which provides me superior distance control. Sold both my "testers" on the bay (for more than I paid for them, actually), and ordered my DF 2.1 in the new nickle finish, which I loved as soon as I saw pics of it the first time (and it became a "had-to-have-it"). 33" 68.5* with alignment aid #17, silver KBS shaft and Press II 3* grip. Could NOT be happier. Quote I'm decidedly brand agnostic -- but a bit less so with my recent change from a PING driver - TSi2 10.5 Driver - Tensei AV Raw Blue 55 R - TS2 4W - Graphite Design Tour AD DI 6 RS & TS2 7W - Alta CB 65 R - Baffler 23* - Aldila NV-HL 65 R - Original Series 0211 - 5-PW - MMT 80 S - CBX2 50 / 54 / 58 - Rotex - Directed Force 2.1 (Nickel) - KBS Tour - Press No. II 3* - MTB Black - DG Lite II cart bag attached via Top-Lok to - Quad XL and Tracked by - V3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungkory 10,951 Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 I might be tempted to throw some of my Christmas bonus at one of these, just have some reservations about the online fitting, and leaving the islands isn't going to happen because I don't want to spend 12 hours round-trip in a tin can with other people during the pandemic. How satisfied are you guys with the online fitting process? I've read everyone's feedback about them but I still don't know if I could ever trick my brain into fully committing to one. 1 Quote Driver: TSi3 10* Ventus Red 3w/5w: TSi2 Tensei AV Raw Blue 4h: CLK 22* Hybrid Tensei CK Pro Blue 80HY S Irons 5-PW: JPX 919 Forged Nippon Modus 3 Tour 105 S Wedges: RTX Zipcore Tour Rack 50, 54, 58 Modus 3 115 Wedge Putter: L.A.B. DF 2.1 w/ BGT Stability Tour Ball: ProV1x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edingc 11,889 Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 4 hours ago, yungkory said: I might be tempted to throw some of my Christmas bonus at one of these, just have some reservations about the online fitting, and leaving the islands isn't going to happen because I don't want to spend 12 hours round-trip in a tin can with other people during the pandemic. How satisfied are you guys with the online fitting process? I've read everyone's feedback about them but I still don't know if I could ever trick my brain into fully committing to one. Thanks to some nice weather I've had a lot more time to practice this fall than I originally anticipated. I'd say the remote fitting is pretty good. What it won't do, however, is find your ideal length as they leave it up to you to find something that is of "comfortable length." Knowing that I have your old Spider at 33", are you planning to stick to that length? I went from 33" to 36", but still grip down a little. I need to be mindful of my setup because I still find myself hunching a lot, but the results are better if I stand a bit more upright. The in person fitting I did had the adjustable length shaft and that was nice to find out what length was comfortable for me. But you could do the same by rolling a bunch of conventional putters of different lengths. I'd have obviously been more concerned if the remote fitting had strayed 3-4+ degrees from the in person fitting, but my in person fitting was only ~1 degree different than my remote fitting. 1 Quote Unofficial WHS Handicap: 8.4 / Anti-Cap: 15.2 (Last Updated May 17, 2022) Driver: Callaway Epic Max LS (9°), 45.75", Fujikura Motore X F1 6X | Club Champion Fitting 17° Hybrid: Callaway Super Hybrid, 41.5", Mitsubishi MMT Hybrid 80 TX 21° Hybrid: Callaway Epic Flash, 40", Mitsubishi MMT Hybrid 80 TX 4 Utility: Cobra KING Utility (2020 Model), 38.5", UST Mamiya Recoil 110 F5 5-PW: Ben Hogan PTx Pro, 37" 7 Iron, Aerotech SteelFiber i125cw Stiff | Club Champion Fitting 50°, 54°, 58°: Cobra KING MIM Black, KBS Hi Rev 2.0 Stiff | #CobraConnect Review Putter: L.A.B. Golf DF 2.1, 36", 68°, Black with Custom Sightlines, BGT Stability Tour, L.A.B. Press II 3° | Unofficial Review Grips: Star Sidewinder, Undersized with Custom Tape Build-Up Ball: Snell MTB-X Optic Yellow Tracked By: Shot Scope H4 Bag: Personalized 2020 Sun Mountain Sync Riding On: CaddyTek Caddylite EZ V8 | Unofficial Review WITB? | 2021 Reviewer Maxfli Tour and Tour X Balls | 2020 Participant #CobraConnect Challenge | 2019 Reviewer Callaway Epic Flash Driver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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