Jump to content
did you see that?

2020 drivers not adding much speed

Recommended Posts

Our Sponsors

looked at some reviews of cobra, callaway, and taylormade. While the reviewers liked the clubs they didn't seem to add any distance or club speed from last years model.....maybe save some dough and get last years?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

It’s person dependent. I’ve read plenty of reviews that golfers stayed they gained clubhead speed and/or ball speed with sim/sim max and mavrik.

@Quigleyd I know has posted some thoughts around the forum about his experience with the sim and speed gains


Driver: Titleist 917D3 9.5 with Graphite Design MAD Pro 65g S

Wood: Titleist 917F2 with UST Mamiya Helium 5F4

Hybrid: Titleist 816H1 21 with Atmos Blue 85 S

Irons: Titleist 718 AP3 4i, 718 CB 5-6, MB 7-9 with KBS $ Taper 125

Wedges: Vokey SM7 46/50/54/60 with DG s200

Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1

Ball: Titleist Prov1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I watched a lot of the you tube experts reviews and seen that they were basically getting the same results. But I have seen videos when they actually try different setups and shafts and basically get fit first and the results were amazing. I tend to grain of salt these videos as I’m not sure they are testing In the optimal set ups.


Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy


DRIVER -  Sim Max 10.5 lowered to 9.75 Ventus Red 5 S  shaft 

Woods -  Taylormade Sim Ti 3wood - Diamana reg 65

                Taylormade  5 wood-  Ventus 6r 

Rescue/Hybrid -  

IRONS -  Callaway Mavrik 6- PW, AW   KBS 80 R steel 

WEDGES-  Vokey SM 8   50/54/58 

PUTTER-  Odyssey Stroke Lab Bird of Prey. 

BALL-  Pro V1x or Tp5X  -- trying to figure this one out.

Footjoy Tour S golf shoe 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
5 minutes ago, Jbmullin said:

I watched a lot of the you tube experts reviews and seen that they were basically getting the same results. But I have seen videos when they actually try different setups and shafts and basically get fit first and the results were amazing. I tend to grain of salt these videos as I’m not sure they are testing In the optimal set ups.


Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy

Check out txg and you can see how well they perform when optimized in comparison to previous release 

  • Like 3

Driver: Titleist 917D3 9.5 with Graphite Design MAD Pro 65g S

Wood: Titleist 917F2 with UST Mamiya Helium 5F4

Hybrid: Titleist 816H1 21 with Atmos Blue 85 S

Irons: Titleist 718 AP3 4i, 718 CB 5-6, MB 7-9 with KBS $ Taper 125

Wedges: Vokey SM7 46/50/54/60 with DG s200

Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1

Ball: Titleist Prov1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Just had a watch. Really like TXG always great content. Thanks


Sent from my iPad using MyGolfSpy


DRIVER -  Sim Max 10.5 lowered to 9.75 Ventus Red 5 S  shaft 

Woods -  Taylormade Sim Ti 3wood - Diamana reg 65

                Taylormade  5 wood-  Ventus 6r 

Rescue/Hybrid -  

IRONS -  Callaway Mavrik 6- PW, AW   KBS 80 R steel 

WEDGES-  Vokey SM 8   50/54/58 

PUTTER-  Odyssey Stroke Lab Bird of Prey. 

BALL-  Pro V1x or Tp5X  -- trying to figure this one out.

Footjoy Tour S golf shoe 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I don't buy the new stuff anymore due to the ridiculous prices.  I wait a couple years and buy a "new" two year old driver that works as well as the latest.  I usually change to a shaft I like also and a lot of times I'll just take the shaft from my old driver. 

  • Like 1

What's In the Bag

Tour Edge EXS 10.5° driver w/5.5 Projet X HZRDUS yellow shaft & std GolfPride Tour Velvet +4 grip
Tour Edge Exotics CB5 15° 3-wood w/reg Mitsubishi Rayon Fubuki shaft & std Lamkin Z5 TT grip
Titleist 915H 3 hybrid w/reg Mitsubishi Diamana S+ Blue HB 70 shaft & std Lamkin Z5 TT grip
Tour Edge Exotics CB5 4 hybrid w/stiff Mitsubishi Rayon Fubuki shaft & std Lamkin Z5 TT grip
Titleist AP1 714 irons 5-PW & GW w/reg True Temper XP95 R300 shafts & std GolfPride CP2 Pro grips
Tour Edge Exotics triple grind 60°/7° sand wedge & std TE grip
Cleveland Huntington Beach #1 putter with Winn 1.32" oversize grip
Sun Mountain C-130 Cart Bag
 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I think a lot depends on the individual. 

For me I am looking at this year's line up and might grab one after a fit. I didn't love the lineup from last season for a few reasons. They worked well enough but nothing out did what I already had so now we will go back to then drawing board and see if anything can beat my current driver (g400). So far I have an idea of what I want to like however would be open to whatever works best.

  • Like 1

 ⛳🛄 as of May 14, 2020

SWING SPEED- 100

Driver:   :callaway-small: Epic Sub Zero - Set at 10* with Aldila Rogue Max 65 gram 

Wood:    :cobra-small: F7 3 wood 14.5* w/ weight back

               :ping-small: G410 Crossover - 2 and 4 iron

Irons:     :ping-small: i210 5-U w/ Nippon Modus 105 stiff (2018 Tester)

Wedge:  :ping-small: Glide 2.0 54* 58* w/ Nippon Modus 105 Stiff

Putter:   :odyssey-small: Stroke Lab 7 35* and oversized grip (2019 Tester)

Balls:      :srixon-small: Z Star

Other:     :Arccos: 360 (Caddie)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

If you want to optimize you should get fit for driver every three years.  I'd say there's nothing wrong with doing that fitting right at the end of a product cycle to take advantage of reduced prices.  I'm certain this year's group of drivers will be good as were last year's and the year before's - it's just a question of where you might be at with your own equipment to determine whether or not you want to bite.

  • Like 3

Ping G410 - set at 12 degrees, fade setting - Alpha Distanza 40 weak R flex shaft

Tour Exotics EX 10 3 wood

Ping G410 5-9 wood

G30 6-PW -  Aerotech FT 500 shafts

SCOR 48,52,58

EVNRoll ER 5

Titleist Pro VIx optic yellow with revkev stamped on them

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

IF you want more ball speed, don't look at drivers. They're maxed out. Work on more swing speed!

BT

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
IF you want more ball speed, don't look at drivers. They're maxed out. Work on more swing speed!
BT

Not necessarily true. Multiple variables to consider. Does the player bit the center, does your mishit fall in a hot zone for the driver, are you optimizing launch conditions? Increasing swing speed does lead to more distance, as long as you are still hitting the center of the face.
  • Like 8

Driver:  :ping-small: G400 Max 9* with UST Proforce V2
Fairway: :titelist-small: TS3 15* set  w/Project X Hzardous Smoke
Hybrids:  :titelist-small: 816H1 19* set at 18* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype
                :titelist-small: 915H  21*  w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype
               :titelist-small: 915H 24*  w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype
Irons:      :srixon-small: 765 6-AW with KBS Tour shafts
Wedge:  :cleveland-small: 588 54-14, 58-12
Putter:  :odyssey-small: Ten S      Backups:  :bobby-grace-1: 6330,   :EVNROLL: ER2.2,  

 

Member:  MGS Hitsquad since 2017697979773_DSCN2368(Custom).JPG.a1a25f5e430d9eebae93c5d652cbd4b9.JPG

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
27 minutes ago, RI_Redneck said:

IF you want more ball speed, don't look at drivers. They're maxed out. Work on more swing speed!

BT

If this were true, then TrackMan wouldn't report different ball speeds when striking different parts of the face. This is a blanket statement that has gotten stale and I wish it would go away. It simply isn't accurate. Like @cnosil said, there are many variables at play.

  • Like 5

Driver: Mizuno ST190 9.5* Fujikura Atmos Blue 5S
Fairway Wood: Mizuno ST190 15* Fujikura Atmos Blue 6S
Hyrbrid: Mizuno CLK 19* Fujikura Speeder EVO HB
Irons: Nike Vapor Pro Combo (4-PW) Dynamic Gold Pro S300
Wedges: Bridgestone Tour B XW-1 50*, 54*, & 58* Nippon Modus 3 105
Putter: Scotty Cameron Futura 6m 33"
Ball: Bridgestone Tour B XS
Bag: 2017 Titleist Players 5 Stand Bag

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
IF you want more ball speed, don't look at drivers. They're maxed out. Work on more swing speed!

BT

Hmm. I picked-up 3mph more ball speed with the new Honma vs my Epic Flash SZ. Both were professionally fitted with the use of aftermarket shafts for max optimization.

 

Add to this that ball speed consistency across the ENTIRE face is now the goal, which already has been shown in TXG videos this year, shows that drivers are truly not maxed out.

 

 

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

  • Like 6

Driver: :honma: TR20 460, :Fuji: Ventus Black 70X

Fwy: :titelist-small: TS3, 15*, Veylix Rome 888 X

Hybrid: :callaway-small: X2 Hot Pro, 20*, :Fuji: Rombax 8D07HB TM27 X

Irons: :srixon-small: Z585 4/5 iron, Z785 6-PW, :Nippon:Modus 120X

Wedges: Vega VW-06 50*/54*/58*, Dynamic Gold S400

Putter: :seemore-small: Platinum M5 HT Mallet, 36"

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

... Unless you are dealing with a break thru from an OEM, last years drivers are always a great deal. Break thru's like Jailbreak from Callaway that had an increase in performance on center hits for some are well worth the money imo. I gained close to 10 yards with Jailbreak technology. Then take a club like the Speed Zone that is really a tweaking of the F9 and my guess is most will find very little difference in distance or performance, if any at all. Although I have heard a few say they found the SZ more forgiving compared to their F9. Of course going from an F7 to a SZ could be well worth it because you can get the shaft you need based on a fitting, sometimes not always possible with last years model.

... The other change that might be worth upgrading, is a more forgiving model or a lower spin model. I love my F9 but would have liked a little more forgiveness when swinging poorly. The Xtreme may do exactly that so I made the change. But in case the Xtreme does not work better for me because of let's say:  too much spin, too high a launch or any other reason, I will have my F9 with me and can go back to it. That is what happened with my F6 after playing a Fly Z. After a few months the performance was just about identical but I preferred the sound and feel of the Fly Z so it went back in my bag. 

  • Like 6

Driver:   Cobra Speedzone Xtreme 9* ... Tensei Pro Orange 60r
Fw wood: Cobra Speedzone 14.5* ... Atmos TS Blue 75s
Utility:   TaylorMade RBZ Tour Hy ... Matrix Altus 85 hy
Irons:    4-Gw Titleist T100-S ... Kuro Kage 105 Tini s-flex
              4-pw TaylorMade P760 ... Recoil Prototype 95 r-flex
Wedges:  SM6 52* F Grind /SM7D & SM8M 58* ... Recoil 110s
Putter:  Newport 2.5 at 33"
Ball:  TaylorMade TP5x

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I was thinking sort of like chisag was mentioning... 

Going further I don't think/believe there have been any truly game changing - break through - earth shattering driver/technology hit the market. (recently that is) If there had I'd have seen it on the course and witnessed its performance with my own eyes. Hell, I'd own one! But there isn't and hasn't been. That day might come but I haven't seen it. Yet. Personally, I don't buy much equipment. Sure, nothing for people like us beats a new driver or set of irons. I could buy new equipment all the time if I wanted. But what's the point? I get no return. My 5-yo irons are great and I know them well. My driver is 1 year old after retiring a 5 year old SLDR. (IMO the SLDR is still slightly more accurate than the Exotics 🤔) Initially I thought I gained a few yards. Not so sure now.

All of the golf mfg's are searching - desperate for a "breakthrough". Something that shatters everything else out there. But in reality all they can do is reshape the same ole box. The one they live in.

Therefore... I don't see the benefit of buying the latest and greatest year over year. Especially a Driver. Irons too perhaps. They've been selling more distance forever. And there have been gains. But... shouldn't all of us be driving the ball 400+ yards by now after adding up all the gains they've claimed/sold us? Wasn't one of them selling an additional 12 yards recently? LOL

 

  • Like 4

My Sun Mountain bag currently includes:   TWGTLogo2.png.06c802075f4d211691d88895b3f34b75.png 771CSI 5i - PW and TWGTLogo2.png.06c802075f4d211691d88895b3f34b75.png PFC Micro Tour-c 52°, 56°, 60 wedges

                                                                               :755178188_TourEdge: EXS 10.5*, TWGTLogo2.png.06c802075f4d211691d88895b3f34b75.png 929-HS FW4 16.5* 

                                                                                :edel-golf-1: Willimette w/GolfPride Contour

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 3/16/2020 at 12:49 PM, cnosil said:


Not necessarily true. Multiple variables to consider. Does the player bit the center, does your mishit fall in a hot zone for the driver, are you optimizing launch conditions? Increasing swing speed does lead to more distance, as long as you are still hitting the center of the face.

I will defer. Yes, if you are all around the clubface, current drivers DO offer a bit more MOI benefit that some older drivers. I guess I also tend to think posters here have, at least SOME idea of what their ideal specs are. Swing weight, total weight shaft profile, etc. Perhaps not, but comparing clubheads using different specs is not really comparing clubheads. It's comparing clubs which may or may not be right for you.

BT

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 3/16/2020 at 6:17 PM, PlaidJacket said:

I was thinking sort of like chisag was mentioning... 

Going further I don't think/believe there have been any truly game changing - break through - earth shattering driver/technology hit the market. (recently that is) If there had I'd have seen it on the course and witnessed its performance with my own eyes. Hell, I'd own one! But there isn't and hasn't been. That day might come but I haven't seen it. Yet. Personally, I don't buy much equipment. Sure, nothing for people like us beats a new driver or set of irons. I could buy new equipment all the time if I wanted. But what's the point? I get no return. My 5-yo irons are great and I know them well. My driver is 1 year old after retiring a 5 year old SLDR. (IMO the SLDR is still slightly more accurate than the Exotics 🤔) Initially I thought I gained a few yards. Not so sure now.

All of the golf mfg's are searching - desperate for a "breakthrough". Something that shatters everything else out there. But in reality all they can do is reshape the same ole box. The one they live in.

Therefore... I don't see the benefit of buying the latest and greatest year over year. Especially a Driver. Irons too perhaps. They've been selling more distance forever. And there have been gains. But... shouldn't all of us be driving the ball 400+ yards by now after adding up all the gains they've claimed/sold us? Wasn't one of them selling an additional 12 yards recently? LOL

 

Do you consider jailbreak to be game changing? What about twistface? 

20 minutes ago, RI_Redneck said:

I will defer. Yes, if you are all around the clubface, current drivers DO offer a bit more MOI benefit that some older drivers. I guess I also tend to think posters here have, at least SOME idea of what their ideal specs are. Swing weight, total weight shaft profile, etc. Perhaps not, but comparing clubheads using different specs is not really comparing clubheads. It's comparing clubs which may or may not be right for you.

BT

Having been on forums for the better part of 7 years there are plenty of members that don’t know their specs, many have never been fitted and the knowledge level varies from very little on equipment, the swing, etc to fitters, teachers and enthusiasts with tons of knowledge including on wrx where the perception is everyone is scratch.


Driver: Titleist 917D3 9.5 with Graphite Design MAD Pro 65g S

Wood: Titleist 917F2 with UST Mamiya Helium 5F4

Hybrid: Titleist 816H1 21 with Atmos Blue 85 S

Irons: Titleist 718 AP3 4i, 718 CB 5-6, MB 7-9 with KBS $ Taper 125

Wedges: Vokey SM7 46/50/54/60 with DG s200

Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1

Ball: Titleist Prov1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Yeah, I have a bad habit of thinking everyone else is as into this game as I am. Like when I found what worked best for me, I wanted to know why it did. What parts of the combination were key. Sure as heck saves a ton of time when testing things!

BT

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

... I how said this many time when talking about irons but it holds true for drivers as well. Play the most forgiving driver you can effectively play. This means even more variables for drivers than it does for irons so it isn't as easy as choosing the Cobra Xtreme that is tops in forgiveness according to the MGS testing. The trajectory has to be optimized for your spin and ball speed. So if the Xtreme is more forgiving and you hit your target more using it than you do a SIM but it spins too much with a trajectory that is too high you can lose a ton of distance and then the trade off of more fairways would loose to needing one or 2 more clubs to reach the green. Of course the opposite holds true and the Mavrik SZ may launch lower with less spin but without enough club head speed can actually lose distance off the tee with less carry while missing more fairways.

... It just isn't an easy decision based on numbers from a test. Considering the above excellent video from TXG, the Cobra KING LTD was a technical marvel and you would think everyone would have played it. But almost all the engineers at that time played the Fly Z with the heavier than stock 18gm weight in the back! One ex D1 college golfer used the LTD but all the others used the Fly Z and may of them were very good players. The why was easy, it was by far the most accurate driver any of them had ever played. To a man they almost all hit the LTD longer, but just not as straight or as consistent. In the end that means on average they hit the Fly Z longer than the LTD, even though their longest drives came from the LTD. 

... And of course sound/feel and looks can be huge for a lot of players. While there are a few lucky golfers that don't care what their driver looks, sounds or feel like if it gives them the best performance, most have a preference. Maintaining confidence in a driver you just don't like for any of those reasons is almost impossible when you hit a bad shot and it looks, sounds and feels bad. The opposite can be true with a driver you really like "pushed that one a little and I'm in the rough but dam that felt good!" something we have all said or heard from a pard. 

... Choosing a driver, especially at todays price, is always a trade off. I think starting with looks and feel that are at least acceptable and then forgiveness/accuracy followed by distance gives you the best chance of finding a new driver the will give you the best results. So looking at the data from this MGS test is a great tool, but in the end your trade offs will dictate which driver is best for you and that is going to be different for someone with a 110 or a 85 mph clubbed speed as well as someone with the same swing speed that thought the Epic was dead feeling/sounding or dense and solid. 

  • Like 4

Driver:   Cobra Speedzone Xtreme 9* ... Tensei Pro Orange 60r
Fw wood: Cobra Speedzone 14.5* ... Atmos TS Blue 75s
Utility:   TaylorMade RBZ Tour Hy ... Matrix Altus 85 hy
Irons:    4-Gw Titleist T100-S ... Kuro Kage 105 Tini s-flex
              4-pw TaylorMade P760 ... Recoil Prototype 95 r-flex
Wedges:  SM6 52* F Grind /SM7D & SM8M 58* ... Recoil 110s
Putter:  Newport 2.5 at 33"
Ball:  TaylorMade TP5x

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

Do you consider jailbreak to be game changing? What about twistface? 

Jailbreak for sure.  Twist face, not so much. Jailbreak reestablished Callaway as a top 3 driver and in many counts, #1 on Tour.

 

Twist face isn’t anything different than Golf Pride announcing Align technology or Lamkin and their Calibrate. If anything, just a new dress on an old doll. Cleveland VAS Titanium drivers from the late 1990’s were promoting bulge & roll almost 30 years ago.

 

IMO, the greatest advance in driver technology that doesn’t get as much recognition as it should is the forgiveness distributed across the face of newer drivers. Perfect strikes will always make for great numbers but in a game of mis-hits, this is where drivers are really making strides.  

  • Like 2

  • PING G400 LST 8.5 Evenflow Black 65g 6.5
  • PING G 3W HZRDUS Yellow 75g 6.0
  • Mizuno HMB MP20 3i Nippon Modus 3 120S
  • Maltby TS1 4-G Nippon Modus3 120S
  • Maltby TSW 52 Nippon Modus Wedge
  • Maltby TSW 58 Nippon Modus Wedge
  • Bettinardi BB8 Wide 2020
  • Oncore Elixr

Currently testing the Ben Hogan PTx Combo irons https://forum.mygolfspy.com/topic/38486-2020-official-member-review-ben-hogan-icon-ptx-proicon-combo-irons/

 

 

Rochester, NY

4.3 Index

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.


×
×
  • Create New...