Mr. 82 Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 So I am staying with my sister for 10 days here near Asheville, NC, and I checked and not only is there Top Golf in Greenville, SC an hour away but there is also a Club Champion in both Charlotte and Greenville, each within an easy drive, which definitely wasn't the case where I live in Tallahassee. I've been considering seeing them to see if there is a better option for both my PING G400 driver and fairway club then the standard stock shaft in both. From everything I've seen with Club Champion their goal is to evaluate every club by select manufacturers to find the one that is best for you. But what if I life the clubs I currently have and just want to see if there is a better shaft that might perhaps increase distance in both clubs? Is that something I can stipulate up front with them? Also, I noticed a fitting session for those two clubs alone is $200 (they have a 33% discount, so that would soften the blow a bit). That's a lot of money to me, but if I can go in there and have them evaluate everything with my driver and fairway club and find some improvement, distance wise, then I am definitely interested. I just don't know if it would be worth the investment, especially since I am sort of straying from their conventional fitting model in that I want to keep my current clubs and just see if the shafts can be upgraded to something better. Anyone have any thoughts on all of this? Anyone do a club champion fitting and can offer me some advice, tips, or suggestions before committing to it? Micah T, HikingMike, B_R_A_D_Y and 1 other 4 Quote G400 Driver XR 4 Fairway 16.5° Fli-Hi Utility Iron - 21° G Series 5-9 irons SM7 46°, 50°, 54° & 58° Ghost Spider S putter Nexus Laser Rangefinder Garmin Approach S20 GPS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fozcycle Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 I think you’re on the right thought process.......just consider it an investment like a couple lessons.Sent from my iPad using MyGolfSpy B_R_A_D_Y, 9fingerdoc, Mr. 82 and 1 other 4 Quote Driver: 0311 XF 10.5* w/Project X Cypher 40 gram Senior shaft or 0811 XF 12* w/Evenflo Riptide CB Senior shaft Fairways: 0211 5W & 7W w/ Evenflo Riptide CB regular shaft and Tour Edge E521 9W w/Fubuki HD50 regular shaft Hybrid: None in bag at the moment Irons: Titleist T300 5-PW w/Fubuki MV Senior graphite shafts w/Golf Pride Tour Wedges: Edison forged 49*, 53* and 57* wedges with KB PGI Senior shafts(80 grm). Putter: 33” Evnroll ER6R or ER2 or Bellum Winmore Model 707, or Nike Method Core Drone w/Evnroll Gravity Grip Bag: Vice cart bag(Black/Lime). Ball: Snell MTB Prime X, Maxfli Tour/S/X CG, Titleist Pro V1x or Titleist TruFeel Using Shot Scope X5 and Pinned Rangefinder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 I’ve have seen mixed reviews on club champion fittings, mostly based around the experience itself due to the attitude/approach of the fitter. personally I’m not a fan of indoor fittings because I prefer to see the actual ball flight and how the ball reacts. Im not sure how the process works for getting current club optimized but you are paying for a service there so I don’t see why they wouldn’t fit your current club to find the best combo/setup. As for whether it’s worth it that really depends on the person but also what/how much is gained thru an optimization fitting. If a person was properly fit for their club the chances of seeing more than 5 yards in carry or a large improvement in dispersion will probably be low. The $134 plus cost of shaft, grip, etc it may not be worth it to every person. Then there’s the chance that there is no better combo is the $134 worth that peace of mind. I personally would only pay for a fitting if I was in the market for something new and that would be after doing some self testing to see if there were enough gains over my current club. Mr. 82, BH43, B_R_A_D_Y and 2 others 4 1 Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post CarlH Posted March 16, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 16, 2020 OK...yes, I've done a Club Champion fitting and yes, I did it with the intent of keeping my driver head. First off, I did an entire bag fitting. I had a wonderful experience and learned a massive amount of information regarding my swing characteristics. I walked away feeling the cost of the fitting was well worth the price paid, but I did go into the experience with the knowledge that I was looking at the fitting process as part of a long term investment and not just the prelude to purchase. Everyone's financial situation is different and what is worth it to one person is simply an added expense to another. If money is an issue, then it will likely have more impact on your satisfaction than it would if the cost were less of an overriding factor. Now, they will not have a Ping G400 head available and you'll need to utilize the latest Ping head for the fitting session. Their shafts have a custom fitting so that each shaft can fit every head that they have in the shop and will not fit the standard manufacturer's fittings. You will start with your club head and shaft and determine your baseline numbers. From there, you would hit a similar head with a variety of shafts and work through the numbers looking for a shaft that optimizes your swing and club characteristics to obtain the best distances with the least dispersion. If you're the person that's hung up on seeing actual ball flight outdoors, then you're likely going to be less than satisfied because everything is done by the numbers and what you see on the screen. For me, it was a great experience. Edit: Be prepared for sticker shock to get your club upgraded through them, but recognize that you are NOT committed to purchase the shaft and work through them and can take the recommendations to any fitter to have the work done. Bronco, GaDawg, wbn and 11 others 12 2 Quote Driver: Rogue ST Max (10.5* set at -1 and neutral) -- Mitsubishi Tensai Blue 55g R shaft Fairway: Rogue ST Max 3 wood (16.5*) and Heaven Wood (20*)-- Tensai Blue 55g R shaft Hybrids: Rogue ST Max 5H (23*)--Tensai Blue 55g R shaft Irons: Apex CF19 6-9, PW, AW -- KBS Tour Graphite TGI 70 shafts R +1/2 inch 3* upright Wedges: Edison 53* and 57* KBS PGI 80 Graphite +1/2 inch 2* upright Putter: L.A.B. DF 2.1 -- BGT Stability shaft Ball: Maxfli TourX...Golf Bag: Pioneer...Shoes: Hyperflex... Glove: Red Rooster Feather My Photography can be seen at Smugmug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 CarlH summed it up pretty well. If they are doing a 33% discount they must be a new store; if so, then they typically do 50% on full bag which would be cheaper than the 2 clubs. Ultimately, you are paying them, so they should do what you want regarding the fitting. If the full bag is cheaper, you might go try doing a bag gapping instead ofLooking for new clubs. I did a CC fitting a couple of years ago simply to learn about the process, analyze my own bag, and learn a few things. I have access to a launch monitor so it was helpful for doing my own analysis. Cost and value are based on the individual. Right now I would love to do a driver fitting because I think I am leaving something on the table from a distance perspective. However, the cost/value proposition isn’t high enough for me to do a fitting at club champion. GaDawg, Mr. 82, HikingMike and 1 other 3 1 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TENBUCK Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 I did not have a good experience but that could be the store I went too. First odd they didn't measure me for anything, looked at my swing or lie angle. I took about a half dozen swings and they started to get me into exotic shafts (which I really didn't want to get unto) mainly because of the cost. I wanted to try different heads but they also said that I wasn't a good candidate for some of the heads, why (??). This was supposed to be a 3 hour session, and it lasted about 1 1/2 hours and by the time I was finished my arms were dragging. I must have taken about 100 swings, I had a small break, but still I was dragging. I decided I wanted to keep the driver as is because I didn't see any results markedly better than what I had. On to irons. Playing CF16, we went through several shafts, and the one that THEY said was better was a Paderson Kinnetic shaft. To replace my whole set of irons shafts (8) with grips and installation was a little over $1200. They were charging me 100 per shaft. I went on the Golfwroks site and the same shaft costs $69.00. I decided to have a single iron replaced with the recommended shaft. Bottom line, for shaft, installation cost, grip, grip installation and spinning (highly recommended) was another $35, plus shipping because it had to be sent to Chicago for the repairs. I later learned that the Paderson shaft has no spine because of it's construction! The bill was over $200 + tax. Lesson learned. Oh the 5i with the shaft, it didn't work out, just a little too whippy for my swing. I was told I could bring it back and they would put me in another shaft, NO THANKS! I have heard good things about CC, obviously this store didn't meet those standards. Mr. 82, HikingMike, B_R_A_D_Y and 1 other 4 Quote G400 MAX Ping Tour 65 FW 15* King F-7 PRO-65 G400 Hybrid Alta CB-70 PXG 0211 5-SW Mitsubishi MMT Graphite AP1 52* SW TT XP-95 MG 58* TT DG Wedge Scotty Cameron Custom welded LN Grips- GP MCC+4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Middler Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 I can let you know in a couple weeks. I just did a CC driver fitting and got my new after market shaft Friday, hope to play it this week. The process was slick but a little hokey/rigged and cookie cutter IMO. Their process all but guarantees a recommendation for new shafts and/or heads whether you'll really benefit or not. And their "guarantee" won't change that. Until I see actual results (or lack thereof) on course, I won't have an opinion. Frankly I hope I do see an improvement. If not I've learned a $450 lesson... [update: the CC fitting was worthless. I ended up selling the shaft they recommended for about 15 cents on the dollar. I will never go to CC again for anything.] Mr. 82, kcschrank, B_R_A_D_Y and 2 others 5 Quote Titleist TSR2 11° HZRDUS Red CB 50 6.0 w Lamkin UTx Midsize Titleist TSR2 16.5º HZRDUS Red 60 CB 6.0 & TSR2 21º HZRDUS Black 4G 70 6.0 w Lamkin UTx Midsize Mizuno JPX923 HMP 4-GW, T22 54.12WS, T22 58.04DC w Lamkin ST+2 Hybrid Midsize Evnroll EV5.3 Maxfli Tour & ProV1 Ping Pioneer - MGI Zip Navigator AT Payntr X 002 LE, Ecco Biom C4, Payntr X 001 F (Mesh) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TR1PTIK Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 3 hours ago, Mr. 82 said: But what if I life the clubs I currently have and just want to see if there is a better shaft that might perhaps increase distance in both clubs? Is that something I can stipulate up front with them? Also, I noticed a fitting session for those two clubs alone is $200 (they have a 33% discount, so that would soften the blow a bit). That's a lot of money to me, but if I can go in there and have them evaluate everything with my driver and fairway club and find some improvement, distance wise, then I am definitely interested. I just don't know if it would be worth the investment, especially since I am sort of straying from their conventional fitting model in that I want to keep my current clubs and just see if the shafts can be upgraded to something better. Anyone have any thoughts on all of this? Anyone do a club champion fitting and can offer me some advice, tips, or suggestions before committing to it? I haven’t done a fitting with CC, but I have been looking into it as well. I reached out to them to inquire about optimizing some of the current clubs in my bag and they confirmed that they can do it. You’ll just need to address that upfront when making your appointment. I agree that $200 does seem a bit steep just to look at 2-3 clubs (same thing I’m looking at primarily), but for $150 more you can be fit for the entire bag. Even if you have absolutely no intentions of buying anything beyond a couple shafts, knowing what to look for in your next set of irons/wedges/putter adds a lot more value to the fitting IMO. If you also consider the intangibles such as the knowledge gained from such a fitting experience... well, it just seems like even more value. However, I have heard good and bad about CC and while some experiences can certainly be summed up by the fitter, I think it also depends what the golfer’s mindset is going in. At the end of the day, they do offer a performance guarantee so if you’re unhappy after the fact, you do have a course of action to take. cnosil, Mr. 82, HikingMike and 1 other 4 Quote Driver: ST190 9.5* Fujikura Atmos Blue 5S Fairway Wood: ST190 15* Fujikura Atmos Blue 6S Hybrid: CLK 17* Fujikura Speeder EVO HB Irons: J40 CB (3-PW) Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100 Wedges: Milled Grind 2 54* & 58* Dynamic Gold S200 Putter: Tri-Hot 5k Two 34" Bag: Players 5 Stand Bag Ball: Maxfli Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ChiefMikeOfficer Posted March 16, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 16, 2020 Quick rundown of my experience -- some of it is repetitive with what others said. I've had a good-but-not-great experience with them, but I continue to go back. I've been to two locations and am about to go again in a couple weeks (if COVID doesn't cancel it). I'm happy with the equipment that they fit me into, and their fittings gave me a lot more confidence than others fitters. Some highlights: Expect to spend $$$. Fitting Fee: Unlike many other fitters, they don't waive the fitting fee with a purchase. However, if you make any purchase, they waive the fitting fee in the future (at least that's true with the Full Bag fitting), so you can go back and tweak things as needed (that's why I'm about to go for a third time). Shafts: you're most likely buying a shaft on top of your current club setup, and depending on the shaft, it could be a lot of money. Expect another $200+, upwards of $1000 depending on the shaft. I went with Accra wood shafts -- my driver shaft was $450 after everything ($365 shaft plus new OEM adapter plus installation), and the 3-wood shaft was closer to $275 -- there are cheaper options out there, but there are also more expensive options (e.g. my buddy that did a fitting alongside me walked away with a $650 driver shaft). Heads: May not be applicable to you, but a full club direct from the OEM is the same price as the head only, so if you swap out the entire club and choose an after-market shaft, you'll be paying a steep price. If you choose a head/shaft combo that's a standard offering from the OEM, you pay retail plus add-ons if desired (see next); if you choose an after-market (like my Accra), a $400 retail driver can balloon up to $700+ very quickly. Add-ons: They will push PUREing the shafts, which does make some difference but may not be noticeable to the typical amateur (I've hit my clubs well, but can't say that it would be different if I skipped PUREing...). They have different prices if you buy the shaft through them vs. needing to pull the shaft to PURE it (the latter is quite a bit more expensive, almost matching the retail price of certain shafts). Mid-season form? This is more general fitting advice, but make sure you're swinging the club well. If you haven't played much over the winter or you're planning to take lessons early this year, go get your swing in shape first - a few MPH or a slightly different swing path could mean big differences in what you get fit into vs. what you actually need. Using your own clubhead: You can definitely get fit for a shaft with the intention of keeping your own head -- for woods, I've only bought shafts from them, no heads. CarlH summarized this well, although one thing that was slightly different for me -- last time, I was able to use my own driver head with their shafts. It depends what the location has on hand -- they do have a proprietary adapter on all of their shafts, but my location had a Callaway-to-proprietary adapter that they stuck into my head, allowing them to use their shafts with my head. I'm not sure if they'll have the same thing for Ping, but it's possible. Measurements: TENBUCK noted that they didn't take measurements. That was true for me too, which is one of my biggest criticisms of the process (but to be fair, I'm 0/3 on fitters taking measurements). They started with swing speed, ball flight, etc., and once they narrowed the head/shaft combos down to 2-3, they started tweaking based on lie angle and other factors. It didn't feel like guesswork (if I were a few inches taller, I think they would have adapted), but it also didn't feel all that precise. They did have varied length shaft options, so they could test with other lengths, but my frame is pretty close to standard specs. Wedge fitting is...a joke. My first guy told me "wedge fitting is more of a conversation"; my second guy didn't even touch on it. Putter fitting is worth it - they'll tweak your putter on the spot (adjust loft/lie). They'll also tell you the type of putter you should be using and won't push a new one unless you're using the "wrong" model. They use SAM technology, so you likely don't need to go to Club Champion to get this feedback, but it's a nice add-on if you do a full bag fitting. Ultimately, it depends what you want to get out of it. I've done a quick fitting at Golf Galaxy, a couple at GolfTEC, and a couple at Club Champion -- I'd say skip the retail fitting unless they have actual trusted fitters on staff (our location did not). For GolfTEC vs. Club Champion, my GolfTEC location only had a subset of the equipment offered through the club manufacturers, and it felt like they used guesswork to pick the best one of the lot -- it felt more like "I'm going to order clubs online, what specs should I order?". Club Champion was a more comprehensive fitting that gave me more confidence in the outcome, but that came at a price. B_R_A_D_Y, Fred Mitchell, TENBUCK and 7 others 8 2 Quote Driver: Stealth Plus 8* (adjusted to 8.75*), Mitsubishi Diamana ZF 70 X Flex (New toy incoming!) Fairway: Stealth2 Plus, 15* (adjusted to 14.25*) w/ Graphite Design Tour AD-IZ 7X Irons: U505 1 Iron (16*), T200 "Utility Build" 3 and 4 irons, all with Graphite Design Tour AD-IZ 95 X Flex, T100S 5-9 with Nippon Pro Modus 120 X Flex (2021 MGS Test). These things are monsters. Wedges: SM9 46.10, 54.12, and 58.08, all with custom etchings & KBS Tour Masters-themed shafts, X-flex (CHA Post) Putter: Total headcase and Putter Ho. Down to two main options in the rotation (one mallet, one blade), but have 4-5 by the basement putting green that might make it in the bag at some point this year... Mallet: Mezz XL 36" Orange; Blade: Link.1 w/Accra White shaft & grip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 4 hours ago, TENBUCK said: irst odd they didn't measure me for anything, looked at my swing or lie angle. I took about a half dozen swings The vast majority of fitters especially the good ones don’t do any measurements. Wrist to floor means nothing when standing straight up. Good fitters can watch a persons swing and see how the move, how they load the shaft and how they deliver it. Using a sharpie line on the ball vice a lie board is how many go about checking lie and length. if the guys at tpi measured @Golfspy_CG2 they would have put him in 1” long clubs but instead based on how he swung they went with their standard length and even contemplated going shorter. B_R_A_D_Y, HikingMike, TR1PTIK and 1 other 3 1 Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TR1PTIK Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 I don't think @ChiefMikeOfficer could have put it any better. As for static fitting, I think we're seeing a trend away from that and it's unsettling for those who are used to it or build clubs as a hobby and lack the tools used by professional fitters. TrackMan and GC Quad (and I'm sure several others that I'm unaware of) have the ability to measure what the club head is doing at impact and see how the ball is reacting to your input. What happens at impact is all that matters, and this data provides them enough information to determine if you need a different lie angle or more length, etc. Granted, I do still see some merits to static fitting (primarily, how it could possibly save some time), but I wouldn't be disappointed by a fitter that skipped over it so long as they have the capability to see what's going on at impact. B_R_A_D_Y, Golfspy_CG2, HikingMike and 2 others 5 Quote Driver: ST190 9.5* Fujikura Atmos Blue 5S Fairway Wood: ST190 15* Fujikura Atmos Blue 6S Hybrid: CLK 17* Fujikura Speeder EVO HB Irons: J40 CB (3-PW) Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100 Wedges: Milled Grind 2 54* & 58* Dynamic Gold S200 Putter: Tri-Hot 5k Two 34" Bag: Players 5 Stand Bag Ball: Maxfli Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony@CIC Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 9 hours ago, Mr. 82 said: So I am staying with my sister for 10 days here near Asheville, NC, and I checked and not only is there Top Golf in Greenville, SC an hour away but there is also a Club Champion in both Charlotte and Greenville, each within an easy drive, which definitely wasn't the case where I live in Tallahassee. I've been considering seeing them to see if there is a better option for both my PING G400 driver and fairway club then the standard stock shaft in both. From everything I've seen with Club Champion their goal is to evaluate every club by select manufacturers to find the one that is best for you. But what if I life the clubs I currently have and just want to see if there is a better shaft that might perhaps increase distance in both clubs? Is that something I can stipulate up front with them? Also, I noticed a fitting session for those two clubs alone is $200 (they have a 33% discount, so that would soften the blow a bit). That's a lot of money to me, but if I can go in there and have them evaluate everything with my driver and fairway club and find some improvement, distance wise, then I am definitely interested. I just don't know if it would be worth the investment, especially since I am sort of straying from their conventional fitting model in that I want to keep my current clubs and just see if the shafts can be upgraded to something better. Anyone have any thoughts on all of this? Anyone do a club champion fitting and can offer me some advice, tips, or suggestions before committing to it? I always rationalize the cost of a fitting to the price of a club that didn't work for me. I'd prefer spending the fitting dollars then buying a club and having to resell it at a loss. freemars and Mr. 82 2 Quote Left Hand orientation SIM 2 D Max with Fujikura Air Speeder Shaft Cobra Radspeed 3W/RIptide Shaft 410 Hybrids 22*, 26* Cobra Speed Zone 6-GP/Recoil ESX 460 F3 Shafts SM7 54* Wedge Glide 3.0 60* Wedge O Works putter V3 NX9-HD - 4 Wheel EZGO TXT 48v cart - too many shoes to list and so many to buy And BAG Boy Golf Balls: Vice Pro Plus 2020 Official Tester Beginning Driver Speed - 78 2019 Official Tester 410 Driver 2018 Official Tester C300 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfspy_CG2 Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 2 hours ago, TR1PTIK said: I don't think @ChiefMikeOfficer could have put it any better. As for static fitting, I think we're seeing a trend away from that and it's unsettling for those who are used to it or build clubs as a hobby and lack the tools used by professional fitters. TrackMan and GC Quad (and I'm sure several others that I'm unaware of) have the ability to measure what the club head is doing at impact and see how the ball is reacting to your input. What happens at impact is all that matters, and this data provides them enough information to determine if you need a different lie angle or more length, etc. Granted, I do still see some merits to static fitting (primarily, how it could possibly save some time), but I wouldn't be disappointed by a fitter that skipped over it so long as they have the capability to see what's going on at impact. Bingo!! This along as @RickyBobby_PR said, my fitter used his 30 years experience watching ball flights and the trackman resutls if club path face angle other parameters to determine the proper specs. RickyBobby_PR, Mr. 82, B_R_A_D_Y and 4 others 7 Quote G430 Max 10K TSiR1 15.0 Aldlia Ascent 60g TSR2 18.0 PX Aldila Ascent 6og TSi1 20 Aldila Ascent Shafts R T350 5-GW SteelFiber I80 SM10 48F/54M and58K S159 48S/52S/56W/60B Select 5.5 Flowback 35" ProV1 Play number 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeftyRM7 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 I can vouch for Club Champion in Charlotte and especially Bruce. I think weather a fitting is good or bad depends mostly on the fitter, not necessarily the company they work for, and you knowing what you want out of it. To me it’s worth it just for the use of the launch monitor and the expertise of the fitter is a big plus. You’re paying for the experience so all you need to do is be honest up front on what you do/don’t want out of it. I will say that it may be tough to get an appointment on short notice, sometimes they’re booked out a few weeks. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Deacon Blues and Mr. 82 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PuffyC Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 Been fit a couple times including once at CC. IMO if you have pro level consistency then fitting is probably great, but for somebody like me who plays at a 14, my swing is a little different every time I play. Plus do you really think 10-15 swings is enough to get an honest analysis of how you’ll be swinging over the next 30 rounds of golf, or enough to truly understand the subtle differences in shafts? Not in my case but maybe it’ll work for you. Garry Delaplane, Mr. 82 and HikingMike 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TENBUCK Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 On 3/16/2020 at 3:03 PM, RickyBobby_PR said: The vast majority of fitters especially the good ones don’t do any measurements. Wrist to floor means nothing when standing straight up. Good fitters can watch a persons swing and see how the move, how they load the shaft and how they deliver it. Using a sharpie line on the ball vice a lie board is how many go about checking lie and length. if the guys at tpi measured @Golfspy_CG2 they would have put him in 1” long clubs but instead based on how he swung they went with their standard length and even contemplated going shorter. I agree with you to a point. When you say "the vast majority of fitters especially the good ones", how do we as customers know that our fitter is good? @Golfspy_CG2 say that his fitter has 30 years of experience, which is fantastic that he has a relationship with a fitter that good, I didn't. You can take probably 10 fitters some good, some meh, and some that are tops and you'll probably get several different answers about being measured. I for one would like to know what my "specs" are when I got fitted. I read a quote from a master fitter who said"The shaft matching a golfer's swing I'd say is 80 percent of the fitting process, with length, loft, lie and grip making up the other 20 percent." HikingMike 1 Quote G400 MAX Ping Tour 65 FW 15* King F-7 PRO-65 G400 Hybrid Alta CB-70 PXG 0211 5-SW Mitsubishi MMT Graphite AP1 52* SW TT XP-95 MG 58* TT DG Wedge Scotty Cameron Custom welded LN Grips- GP MCC+4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TENBUCK Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 I forgot to add, when you have a fitter telling you how important to have your clubs spined, you agree, and then you find out that the club you're getting has no spine because of its construction, you kind of doubt their whole process and what they should have or not have done. Again, this is probably not representative of the whole CC, but it was my experience and that's the only thing I have to go by when someone say CC. HikingMike 1 Quote G400 MAX Ping Tour 65 FW 15* King F-7 PRO-65 G400 Hybrid Alta CB-70 PXG 0211 5-SW Mitsubishi MMT Graphite AP1 52* SW TT XP-95 MG 58* TT DG Wedge Scotty Cameron Custom welded LN Grips- GP MCC+4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dko213 Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 (edited) I've done 2 fittings at CC, at 2 different locations, and both were not good experiences. Fitters were not really informed about their product and just read off numbers to me. I would do research on the fitters at the location first before committing to a fitting. For me I won't go back to those locations unless they get other fitters. But I'm sure other locations might have good fitters. Good luck. Edited March 20, 2020 by Dko213 HikingMike 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TR1PTIK Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 20 hours ago, PuffyC said: Been fit a couple times including once at CC. IMO if you have pro level consistency then fitting is probably great, but for somebody like me who plays at a 14, my swing is a little different every time I play. Plus do you really think 10-15 swings is enough to get an honest analysis of how you’ll be swinging over the next 30 rounds of golf, or enough to truly understand the subtle differences in shafts? Not in my case but maybe it’ll work for you. You'd be surprised - as most golfers would be - at how consistent you can actually swing the golf club. Inconsistent golf shots does not necessarily equal an inconsistent swing. There are many variables that determine where the golf ball goes. I was probably somewhere close to your handicap when I first went to a fitter to do a gap analysis. Except for a few clubs, it only took about 5 swings with each to collect the data we needed because my input variables were so consistent. HikingMike, LeftyRM7, cnosil and 1 other 4 Quote Driver: ST190 9.5* Fujikura Atmos Blue 5S Fairway Wood: ST190 15* Fujikura Atmos Blue 6S Hybrid: CLK 17* Fujikura Speeder EVO HB Irons: J40 CB (3-PW) Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100 Wedges: Milled Grind 2 54* & 58* Dynamic Gold S200 Putter: Tri-Hot 5k Two 34" Bag: Players 5 Stand Bag Ball: Maxfli Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TR1PTIK Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 47 minutes ago, TENBUCK said: I forgot to add, when you have a fitter telling you how important to have your clubs spined, you agree, and then you find out that the club you're getting has no spine because of its construction, you kind of doubt their whole process and what they should have or not have done. Again, this is probably not representative of the whole CC, but it was my experience and that's the only thing I have to go by when someone say CC. Depends on whether or not the fitter is recommending spine alignment or SST PURE shaft alignment. SST PUREing isn't quite the same as spine alignment. While both methods attempt to achieve the same thing, the processes are markedly different. Since CC advertises SST PURE technology, I'm going to assume that's what they all go with. Bronco and ChiefMikeOfficer 2 Quote Driver: ST190 9.5* Fujikura Atmos Blue 5S Fairway Wood: ST190 15* Fujikura Atmos Blue 6S Hybrid: CLK 17* Fujikura Speeder EVO HB Irons: J40 CB (3-PW) Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100 Wedges: Milled Grind 2 54* & 58* Dynamic Gold S200 Putter: Tri-Hot 5k Two 34" Bag: Players 5 Stand Bag Ball: Maxfli Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 2 hours ago, TENBUCK said: I agree with you to a point. When you say "the vast majority of fitters especially the good ones", how do we as customers know that our fitter is good? @Golfspy_CG2 say that his fitter has 30 years of experience, which is fantastic that he has a relationship with a fitter that good, I didn't. You can take probably 10 fitters some good, some meh, and some that are tops and you'll probably get several different answers about being measured. I for one would like to know what my "specs" are when I got fitted. I read a quote from a master fitter who said"The shaft matching a golfer's swing I'd say is 80 percent of the fitting process, with length, loft, lie and grip making up the other 20 percent." It’s like finding a good instructor. Some research and more than likely an “interview” to find their philosophy. As technology has changed with the use of launch monitors fittings have changed as have fitters. Not saying younger fitters aren’t good because o know some that trust to fit me and some older ones I will never use again. Some use the monitor and nothing but and aren’t paying attention to the golfers swing to see how they swing and how that affects the ball flight. I’ve had fitting from ping HQ in back to back years. The two guys in year one were good. They weren’t focused on the monitor other than to confirm what we saw in ball flight and used my feedback to make adjustments. The guys that came the following year were terrible and I watched them fit 1 person before me and two after. They were solely focused on what the monitor was telling them and had no concept of ball flight or contact on the face and how it was affecting the ball. They didn’t even attempt to try different shafts to see if it could change anything on the results. The last time I’ve seen anyone do a measurement of any sort was 5+ years ago and it was using the ping chart. The ping fitters don’t even use that method anymore. It’s probably been as long since I saw anyone with a lie board. The ones I’ve seen use it do it to show the client the change a lie angle has. HikingMike 1 Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 2 hours ago, TENBUCK said: I forgot to add, when you have a fitter telling you how important to have your clubs spined, you agree, and then you find out that the club you're getting has no spine because of its construction, you kind of doubt their whole process and what they should have or not have done. Again, this is probably not representative of the whole CC, but it was my experience and that's the only thing I have to go by when someone say CC. 1 hour ago, TR1PTIK said: Depends on whether or not the fitter is recommending spine alignment or SST PURE shaft alignment. SST PUREing isn't quite the same as spine alignment. While both methods attempt to achieve the same thing, the processes are markedly different. Since CC advertises SST PURE technology, I'm going to assume that's what they all go with. Interesting discussion and I know this thread really isn't the right place but what the heck threads go off the rails all the time Puring, floing, spine align from what I know are basically the same thing. Puring is a process done by SST that involves expensive machines to find the spine. Lots of people will tell you it is great while others will say it isn't necessary, especially shaft manufacturers. Actually had this discussion with Harry and a couple of others at MGS headquarters. They had had their shafts flo'd and said that there is a noticeable difference. Said I wanted to try it out and compare flo'd versus non flo'd shafts. Hopefully it will be one of the upcoming lab tests. TR1PTIK, PMookie and HikingMike 3 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TR1PTIK Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 1 hour ago, cnosil said: Interesting discussion and I know this thread really isn't the right place but what the heck threads go off the rails all the time Puring, floing, spine align from what I know are basically the same thing. Puring is a process done by SST that involves expensive machines to find the spine. Lots of people will tell you it is great while others will say it isn't necessary, especially shaft manufacturers. Actually had this discussion with Harry and a couple of others at MGS headquarters. They had had their shafts flo'd and said that there is a noticeable difference. Said I wanted to try it out and compare flo'd versus non flo'd shafts. Hopefully it will be one of the upcoming lab tests. I think that would make for an interesting test. When I Googled SST Pure vs. Spine Align, a test did pop-up in the results, but the testers used an About Golf simulator. I’m not sure how accurate those simulators are, but I’d expect something like the GC Quad to be better. cnosil 1 Quote Driver: ST190 9.5* Fujikura Atmos Blue 5S Fairway Wood: ST190 15* Fujikura Atmos Blue 6S Hybrid: CLK 17* Fujikura Speeder EVO HB Irons: J40 CB (3-PW) Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100 Wedges: Milled Grind 2 54* & 58* Dynamic Gold S200 Putter: Tri-Hot 5k Two 34" Bag: Players 5 Stand Bag Ball: Maxfli Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Strangelove Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 I am happy with my recent driver fitting. It's REALLY expensive though. You WILL have buyers remorse. That said, my accuracy and distance greatly improved with the shaft that was recommended. And for a while I won't have a wandering eye as I hit every driver head out there. So overall, OK. To save cash, I suggest you just do the fitting and purchase the head or shafts elsewhere and install yourself. I don't believe that Champion builds to tighter specs than the OEM. And if they did, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't notice. PMookie 1 Quote G410 plus driver,Aeroburner 3W, F6 Baffler XR 4, 5 hybrids 2021 T300 6 - GW, SW irons Mack Daddy CB 58/12 wedge Axis1 Rose putter Alternates: Srixon ZX4 MKII irons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeftyRM7 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 As a regular customer of theirs, I’m always confused by the perception that Club Champion is “crazy expensive”. Their prices are the same as every other retailer in the business on equipment. Prices on new model year equipment don’t really change from one retailer to another. The only thing you pay more for is their services, which are 100% your decision. I feel like the fittings are reasonable considering you get all the latest equipment and technology. Then you can do what you please with that information. The other thing I never hear people mention is the extras that come with your purchase. They stand behind their work so you can go back anytime for adjustments. If you think your swing has changed in a few months, you go back and test it out and they’ll make the needed adjustments. If you spend $1000 over a years time then you get discounts and extra time in the hitting bays. I’m cheap and always looking to save a buck but I can see the value in what they’re doing. Where people get lost is just how much equipment costs. If you’re not lookin to spend a few grand on an iron set or a thousand dollars on a driver. Then you need to stick with shafts offered by the manufacturer. That needs to be decided during the interview before your fitting though, before you fall in love with a high dollar aftermarket shaft. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk over7par, HikingMike, PMookie and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juspoole Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 I've had a full bag fitting and I can say that I walked away a little bit more confident in the equipment that I had after I was finished. The only club that I had better numbers with was the driver and where we spent the most time. So you can take that two ways. One being that it wasn't worth the money to do the fitting as it didn't give me any better clubs except driver. Or the other being that I was confident that I had the best combo after hitting several others. For me, it was a mix of both. I'd advise to keep some cards close to chest and go in telling the guy that you are open to all equipment changes so they try to push the best equipment. I felt like I steered my fitter a bit and most of that was my own fault. I didn't get much out of the putter or wedge fittings for example and really wanted to try more. The other advice is to schedule a full bag fitting over two different days. This will give you more time and not rush you or the fitter on any club categories. As many have said, wait until you are in peak form as well for best results. 35 minutes ago, LeftyRM7 said: If you’re not lookin to spend a few grand on an iron set or a thousand dollars on a driver. Then you need to stick with shafts offered by the manufacturer My issue is that club champion charges the full MSRP of the stock shaft and tacks on more with the upgraded shaft than what you could get elsewhere. Most times it's an upcharge yes, but far less than what Club Champion charges. If you're talking about irons, then it gets to be crazy. Another point at least for me, is that I'm lucky enough to have a local custom golf shop that has a trackman and really knows there stuff. I purchased my irons from them a year prior to my Club Champion visit and the irons still outperformed any head/shaft combo in my fitting experience so I trust they do a nice job for me. Not sure if others have tried this route, but many times a local pro shop with a nice launch monitor CAN be a good option and provide similar results. Lastly, the shop gets far better deals than anywhere else so I have a lot of savings there. Example I got my custom Mizuno irons 4 - PW in 2018 (when new) for $850 compared to $1099 in all retail prices. Dr Strangelove and HikingMike 2 Quote Driver: Mavrik Sub Zero 9* (Set to 10) Ventus Blue 6X 2 Hybrid: TSI3 Hybrid Tensei Blue 80 X (17.25*) 3 Hybrid 818 H2 Hybrid Hzrdus RDX Black 6.5 (20.5*) 4 Iron - T200 4 Iron Graphite Design Tour AD IZ X Hybrid Shaft Irons 5-PW: T100-S 5 - GW KBS Tour 130 X Gap/Sand Wedge: Vokey SM6 49* SM8 54* Lob Wedge: Jaws 5 Wedge 58* DG Tour Issue Stiff Putter: Phantom 5.5 34" Pro Platinum Newport 2 35" Taylormade Tour Black Spider 34" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMookie Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 Interesting discussion and I know this thread really isn't the right place but what the heck threads go off the rails all the time Puring, floing, spine align from what I know are basically the same thing. Puring is a process done by SST that involves expensive machines to find the spine. Lots of people will tell you it is great while others will say it isn't necessary, especially shaft manufacturers. Actually had this discussion with Harry and a couple of others at MGS headquarters. They had had their shafts flo'd and said that there is a noticeable difference. Said I wanted to try it out and compare flo'd versus non flo'd shafts. Hopefully it will be one of the upcoming lab tests. That would be cool if they do it completely blind, with no results on the screen above to see.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro cnosil 1 Quote Driver: Ping G430 Max 9*, Ping Tour 70X Fairway: Ping G425 15*, Ping Tour 70X Hybrid: Ping G425 22*, Ping Tour 80X Irons: Ping i230 4-GW, TT DG X100 Wedges: SMS 50D/54V/58DModus 130 stiff, +1” Putter: EAS 1.0 Ball: Titleist 2023 AVX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Strangelove Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 8 hours ago, LeftyRM7 said: As a regular customer of theirs, I’m always confused by the perception that Club Champion is “crazy expensive”. Their prices are the same as every other retailer in the business on equipment. Prices on new model year equipment don’t really change from one retailer to another. The only thing you pay more for is their services, which are 100% your decision. I feel like the fittings are reasonable considering you get all the latest equipment and technology. Then you can do what you please with that information. The other thing I never hear people mention is the extras that come with your purchase. They stand behind their work so you can go back anytime for adjustments. If you think your swing has changed in a few months, you go back and test it out and they’ll make the needed adjustments. If you spend $1000 over a years time then you get discounts and extra time in the hitting bays. I’m cheap and always looking to save a buck but I can see the value in what they’re doing. Where people get lost is just how much equipment costs. If you’re not lookin to spend a few grand on an iron set or a thousand dollars on a driver. Then you need to stick with shafts offered by the manufacturer. That needs to be decided during the interview before your fitting though, before you fall in love with a high dollar aftermarket shaft. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Fair enough. The only thing is that if you pay full price for a driver with stock shaft and then you pay full price for the suggested shaft, they should at least also give you the stock shaft you paid for in addition to the custom one. You could recoup a couple of bucks. --- Like I said, expensive, but I dont regret it. PMookie and Bronco 2 Quote G410 plus driver,Aeroburner 3W, F6 Baffler XR 4, 5 hybrids 2021 T300 6 - GW, SW irons Mack Daddy CB 58/12 wedge Axis1 Rose putter Alternates: Srixon ZX4 MKII irons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeftyRM7 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 Fair enough. The only thing is that if you pay full price for a driver with stock shaft and then you pay full price for the suggested shaft, they should at least also give you the stock shaft you paid for in addition to the custom one. You could recoup a couple of bucks. --- Like I said, expensive, but I dont regret it. I don’t believe that has anything to do with Club Champion, that’s just the way the golf industry does it. I’ve never seen any dealer selling heads only for a discount. If you were to order a driver from anywhere with an aftermarket shaft not offered then you would be paying full price for both. Actually when I got fit for my driver and I was deciding between 2 shafts, one offered by OEM and one not, my fitter suggested ordering the club with the OEM shaft and the other shaft separately if I wanted the upcharged shaft. Same price but I could sell the OEM to make back some of the money like you said. I get where you are coming from, it’s obviously a flaw in the way the industry does it but it goes to show how little the OEMs value the mass produced “stock shafts” that the clubs come with. Makes you think... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk TR1PTIK 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 14 hours ago, Dr Strangelove said: Fair enough. The only thing is that if you pay full price for a driver with stock shaft and then you pay full price for the suggested shaft, they should at least also give you the stock shaft you paid for in addition to the custom one. You could recoup a couple of bucks. --- Like I said, expensive, but I dont regret it. 12 hours ago, LeftyRM7 said: I don’t believe that has anything to do with Club Champion, that’s just the way the golf industry does it. I’ve never seen any dealer selling heads only for a discount. If you were to order a driver from anywhere with an aftermarket shaft not offered then you would be paying full price for both. Actually when I got fit for my driver and I was deciding between 2 shafts, one offered by OEM and one not, my fitter suggested ordering the club with the OEM shaft and the other shaft separately if I wanted the upcharged shaft. Same price but I could sell the OEM to make back some of the money like you said. I get where you are coming from, it’s obviously a flaw in the way the industry does it but it goes to show how little the OEMs value the mass produced “stock shafts” that the clubs come with. Makes you think... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk You got it. Go to any golf store website or the manufacturer themselves who offer sales online like TM. Choose a driver and customize it with the upgrade shafts they offer. You will pay the same price for the driver as with the no upcharge shaft plus the cost of the upgrade shaft. The good thing about the price of getting the upgrade shaft with the purchase is you save about $100 compared to if you bought it separately. now if you get an upgrade shaft that the brand doesn’t offer then you have to buy the driver with the free shaft and but the aftermarket shaft from an authorized dealer at full price. Club champion has to pay the price of the club with shaft. That cost goes to the customer along with the shaft they get fit to. LeftyRM7 1 Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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