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1 hour ago, Madboy76 said:

If your strikes aren't in line with your norm, the data is useless.  Norm is not perfection.  You should see what happens on bad hits, but if they're all bad it wouldn't help you. 

A good fitter is going to be able analyze your swing and use the numbers to show you what’s going on and why he or she is putting you into a combo and then from that combo they will make adjustments based on what they see and what the numbers show. And rinse repeat til there’s a combo that works for your swing on good and bad hits to minimize the penalty of hitting an errant shot. Good communication goes along way in the process and letting the fitter know what your normal shot is, what your miss is and so on will go along way into getting proper combo.

 

1 hour ago, Madboy76 said:

Simulator numbers help but don't represent real shots on a course.  A driver might yield more distance on a monitor, but that might result in more missed fairways in real golf. 

Simulator numbers allow the fitter especially one that uses indoor facilities to see what the ball is doing and what adjustments to be made to make sure what the numbers show actually work in real golf swings. Unless someone walks in and says I just want to hit the ball as far as possible good fitters are going to give you a playable club.

 

1 hour ago, Madboy76 said:

My other issue is that you don't know the fitter and the fitter doesn't know you.  The information is what they're given at that point in time.  So they can't really talk to your game because they don't know it.  They're trying to develop an idea to give you a recommendation for clubs.  I'd much rather see a fitter who has some relationship with you, so they can speak intelligently about recommendations for you knowing your tendencies and faults. 

It's unfortunately very hard to find the place where you can take clubs out for a round to test them unless you're a member at a private club. 

See above comment. If the fitter isn’t talking to you about your game before you start or while you are warming up and getting baseline numbers then get your money back. A good fitter is going to ask you all that, is going to ask you about what he or she is seeing during your warmup and baseline and during the process. They are going to look into your bag and see what your make up is like. Is a two way process.

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On 1/1/2022 at 1:51 PM, Middler said:

Wonder why only about 1 in 4 MGS readers fitted at Club Champion would recommend CC to their friends or colleagues? Whereas 3 in 5 would recommend the manufacturers - where there is little or no upcharge for the variety of shafts they offer. Club Champion will cost you considerably more, could easily be 2X.

https://mygolfspy.com/2021-driver-satisfaction-survey-results/

  • Golfers who get fitted at manufacturer-owned facilities are most satisfied.
  • Cool Clubs leads among custom fitting locations while True Spec and on-course aren’t far behind.
  • Club Champion is an outlier among custom-fitting chains.

Respondents who were fitted at Club Champion locations were less likely to recommend it and there were significantly more detractors. I’d love to dig into this more to understand the reasons behind lower satisfaction levels. Anecdotally, friends who have visited Club Champion have specifically mentioned heavy upselling leaving a bad taste.

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That's not exactly what the Net Promoter Score means, its not a Yes/No question. The calculation is percent promoters (9 and 10 on the survey) minus percent detractors (0 through 6) on the survey.

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Interesting discussion.  I live in a rural area with not many options, so drove to the city to do the fitting.  I did the full CC build on my last set about 5 years ago.  Whole bag.  Could have bought a decent used car...I have some unusual swing needs mainly around where I load a shaft and generally more weight = more speed for me.  Looking to reduce spin and height through the bag, so at the time needed to try a bunch of different shafts.  I ended up in the same iron shaft I was playing...which was funny to me.  The fitting itself was a great experience and I spoke to my fitter often about tweaking clubs and he would bend stuff for me whenever I was over in the the city and could stop by.  He left, and I did a wedge fitting with a different guy a couple years ago.  Then he left and I did a putter fitting with someone else.  See the pattern.  All did good work but the first fitter I got to know and he knew my swing and it was easy to dial stuff in.  Since it is a 2+ hour drive and the cost started to outweigh the benefit, I have since moved to figuring it out myself. 

Last year I did woods.  My buddy has a fore sight simulator at his shop, so borrowed some heads and shafts from the local golf store--I know the guy well.  Dialed in a head with a stock shaft that performed great all season.  Ordered directly from Callaway. 

So I wanted new irons and only had two on the list.  Mizuno Pro 225 or Apex Pro.  At 55 with arthritis I wanted to go forged hollow head and graphite. So we ordered in a few shafts, hit a few balls and just ordered them direct from Callaway.  Little lead tape and tour lock counter balance to add some weight to the graphite shafts and love the feel and playability so far.  Only played a couple sim rounds and one round on real grass yet, but I know I will make these work.  I did do a lot of research on graphite irons shafts.  Tons of reading on different forums and that narrowed down what might work for me.  Oh ended up the the Apex 21 Pro with Catalyst 100 shafts. 

Big believer in fitting, but at some point you know your swing characteristics and that should narrow down potential options.  With all the tech that is available these days, it is easier to do this work on your own and honestly quite a bit more fun.

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3 hours ago, Dog Faced Pony Soldier said:


Actually it’s illegal (in the US at least) for anyone to tell anyone what they have to charge for a product.

 

Not sure that is true;  I deo believe that Ping has rules for its resellers on what they can charge for current model product.   Manufacturers can impose price restrictions;  see the article from the Federal Trade Commission

https://www.ftc.gov/tips-advice/competition-guidance/guide-antitrust-laws/dealings-supply-chain/manufacturer-imposed

I believe you are confusing this with price fixing which is where competing manufacturers set prices.  

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46 minutes ago, cnosil said:

Not sure that is true;  I deo believe that Ping has rules for its resellers on what they can charge for current model product.   Manufacturers can impose price restrictions;  see the article from the Federal Trade Commission

https://www.ftc.gov/tips-advice/competition-guidance/guide-antitrust-laws/dealings-supply-chain/manufacturer-imposed

I believe you are confusing this with price fixing which is where competing manufacturers set prices.  

While I’m not a lawyer, my career has made me knowledgeable on this subject. Nobody can dictate what you can sell something for. I work for a huge international manufacturer, and they’re always VERY careful we not even imply what one of our retailers has to sell something for. It’s literally illegal. If a supplier doesn’t like how your prices impact the marketplace, all they can do is cease supplying you with more product to sell. This really is so obvious it’s ridiculous that anyone can argue that a Minimum ADVERTISED Price policy means something other than the minimum price someone can ADVERTISE. If anyone wants they can do a web search for themselves and get educated. Here’s a screenshot after a 10 second search. Found: https://www.thebalancesmb.com/what-is-minimum-advertised-price-2890196

The point is the person writing that blog post is lying to us. 

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7 minutes ago, Dog Faced Pony Soldier said:

 All someone can do is cease supplying you with more product to sell. 

 

That sentence says it all.  I can stop supplying you product if you don't sell for MSRP.   It isn't illegal.  

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13 minutes ago, cnosil said:

That sentence says it all.  I can stop supplying you product if you don't sell for MSRP.   It isn't illegal.  

First, read the blog post again. He’s stating that they are required to sell at MAP. That is the clear lie I’m pointing to. 

You are simply mistaken. It is illegal for someone to force someone to sell something for a particular price. That’s why MSRP is a SUGGESTED Retail Price. This is exactly what I do for a living. I live this everyday. Maybe do a web search on MSRP and learn this from a source you trust? 

BTW… This illegality isn’t limited to manufacturers. Nobody can tell you what you have to sell your house, car, knitted scarf, etc., for either. It’s literally illegal.

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41 minutes ago, Dog Faced Pony Soldier said:

First, read the blog post again. He’s stating that they are required to sell at MAP. That is the clear lie I’m pointing to. 

You are simply mistaken. It is illegal for someone to force someone to sell something for a particular price. That’s why MSRP is a SUGGESTED Retail Price. This is exactly what I do for a living. I live this everyday. Maybe do a web search on MSRP and learn this from a source you trust? 

BTW… This illegality isn’t limited to manufacturers. Nobody can tell you what you have to sell your house, car, knitted scarf, etc., for either. It’s literally illegal.

I am not referring to MAP or MSRP; I am referring to your statement that it is illegal for someone to tell you what you have to sell something for.   I looked at the Federal Trade Commission site and posted a link to an article that says manufacturers can  imposed requirements on price.    I could be entirely wrong but the post I referenced seems pretty clear. 

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1 hour ago, cnosil said:

I am not referring to MAP or MSRP; I am referring to your statement that it is illegal for someone to tell you what you have to sell something for.   I looked at the Federal Trade Commission site and posted a link to an article that says manufacturers can  imposed requirements on price.    I could be entirely wrong but the post I referenced seems pretty clear. 

The information at that link is pretty broad; and doesn’t allow someone to tell someone else what price they have to sell something. Regardless, the CC blog post is stating that MAP policy dictates that they are required to sell at MSRP. We all should agree their statement is absolutely and completely untrue. 

Keep in mind- The person chastising CC’s blog post (me) is a CC Member with a CC driver fitting already scheduled for early March. I believe in CC… I just am going to call out BS when I see it. 
 

The more I think about CC’s blog post I also take issue with the premise that components are required to be sold at the MSRP of a full club. Of course the MSRP of the component MAY be the same as the MSRP of the full club, but don’t try and tell us that parts of a product must be sold at the MSRP of the complete unit. That just BS. Does anyone really think CC pays the same for a clubhead as a full club? I don’t. 

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2 hours ago, cnosil said:

That sentence says it all.  I can stop supplying you product if you don't sell for MSRP.   It isn't illegal.  

 

2 hours ago, Dog Faced Pony Soldier said:

First, read the blog post again. He’s stating that they are required to sell at MAP. That is the clear lie I’m pointing to.

Just throwing it out there, there's likely truth to both statements here, just trying to prove two different points - legal and practical are very different. Sure, maybe they can't come in and say "you are not allowed to sell for less than $X", but they can (and do) say "if you sell for less than $X you will no longer sell our products". They have control of their accounts and can suspend at will. 

Blast from the past: this happened to my former boss with the Callaway C4 (which, coincidentally, is back in the news with the new TM Carbon driver) - MAP was too high for his market, they weren't moving at all in his shop, so he tried to sell lower, but when their rep caught wind of it, he got warned that his account could get suspended. 

Now imagine a company like Club Champion doing that and risking suspension of their Callaway account -- they will never take that risk, so they will not go below MAP. Maybe they aren't legally bound to that price, but they are contractually committed to it, so I don't really see that comment as misleading in the blog post. 

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Reflecting back to the title of this thread: are they worth it? Hot take: not anymore. 

First went in and was told that as long as I made a purchase, refits would be free for life (not sure if that was actually the policy or if it was a verbal slip). I did one refit and made significant purchases both times. Either that was verbally misleading from my original fitter, or they ended that policy in favor of the Rewards program.

Free refit was a big perk for me, and would be great now that we have a local CC. But with now needing to pay the fitting fee again, I'm likely going to try a TM PDC/Gears fitting this year to see how that compares (might start with woods only - irons are feeling good right now).

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Perhaps I broadened the conversation too much and distracted people? Allow me to tighten up the discussion for people not familiar with how this works.

The plain fact is CC is not bound to SELL at MAP. MAP only describes what price a retailer can advertise. MAP simply puts zero limitations on the sell price. Thus the contention made in CC’s blog post is a clear lie. 

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7 hours ago, ChiefMikeOfficer said:

 

Just throwing it out there, there's likely truth to both statements here, just trying to prove two different points - legal and practical are very different. Sure, maybe they can't come in and say "you are not allowed to sell for less than $X", but they can (and do) say "if you sell for less than $X you will no longer sell our products". They have control of their accounts and can suspend at will. 

Blast from the past: this happened to my former boss with the Callaway C4 (which, coincidentally, is back in the news with the new TM Carbon driver) - MAP was too high for his market, they weren't moving at all in his shop, so he tried to sell lower, but when their rep caught wind of it, he got warned that his account could get suspended. 

Now imagine a company like Club Champion doing that and risking suspension of their Callaway account -- they will never take that risk, so they will not go below MAP. Maybe they aren't legally bound to that price, but they are contractually committed to it, so I don't really see that comment as misleading in the blog post. 

 

I respect your overarching point, but my several decades of career experience managing global brands in the most competitive retail market in the US makes very clear to me the BS this blog poster is trying to pull on people. Managing these retail situations for manufacturers falls exactly in my area of responsibility. That’s why I can see the deception and find it so offensive. This clear lie makes me lose some confidence in other statements being made in the blog post on topics where I don’t have intimate knowledge, like the club building and fitting process. 

I feel compelled to repeat my personal viewpoint, where I don’t take issue with the overall value I get for my money at CC. The individual line item prices aren’t what I’m concerned with when shopping because I’m not going there to buy a component “over the counter.” I’m buying the entire experience. What I’m looking at personally, is the bottom line price for what I’m getting. This includes the member benefits, convenience, product performance, etc.. I’ve been nothing but happy with CC… at least until seeing them try to BS people about MAP pricing. 

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8 hours ago, ChiefMikeOfficer said:

 

Just throwing it out there, there's likely truth to both statements here, just trying to prove two different points - legal and practical are very different. Sure, maybe they can't come in and say "you are not allowed to sell for less than $X", but they can (and do) say "if you sell for less than $X you will no longer sell our products". They have control of their accounts and can suspend at will. 

Blast from the past: this happened to my former boss with the Callaway C4 (which, coincidentally, is back in the news with the new TM Carbon driver) - MAP was too high for his market, they weren't moving at all in his shop, so he tried to sell lower, but when their rep caught wind of it, he got warned that his account could get suspended. 

Now imagine a company like Club Champion doing that and risking suspension of their Callaway account -- they will never take that risk, so they will not go below MAP. Maybe they aren't legally bound to that price, but they are contractually committed to it, so I don't really see that comment as misleading in the blog post. 

 

Ping does this as well and will send in secret shoppers. I know two accounts that lost Ping because of this.

Also look at golf retail websites, many times you will see ping and titleist items say see cart for price. 

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9 hours ago, Dog Faced Pony Soldier said:

The more I think about CC’s blog post I also take issue with the premise that components are required to be sold at the MSRP of a full club. Of course the MSRP of the component MAY be the same as the MSRP of the full club, but don’t try and tell us that parts of a product must be sold at the MSRP of the complete unit.

Golf companies don’t sell components to anyone. There are independent club builders who will do end of year dumps of shafts that were pulled from club heads because they have to buy the entire club.

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14 hours ago, dlow206 said:

That's not exactly what the Net Promoter Score means, its not a Yes/No question. The calculation is percent promoters (9 and 10 on the survey) minus percent detractors (0 through 6) on the survey.

Fair enough, regardless Club Champion scores last among significant alternatives, and a score of 25 is horrible in Net Promoter methodology. The only alternative that’s worse is a Big Box store…

What’s Considered a Good Net Promoter Score?

Net Promoter Score scores can range from -100 (all detractors and no promoters) to 100 (all promoters and no detractors). The closer to 100, the better.

Businesses will bring their subjective views to their net promoter scores, and these scores can be open to interpretation. But here is a good rule of thumb:

  • 70 or more: outstanding
  • 50 to 69: strong
  • 49 or less: needs improvement
  • Below 0: red flag!

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3 hours ago, Dog Faced Pony Soldier said:

I respect your overarching point, but my several decades of career experience managing global brands in the most competitive retail market in the US makes very clear to me the BS this blog poster is trying to pull on people. Managing these retail situations for manufacturers falls exactly in my area of responsibility. That’s why I can see the deception and find it so offensive. This clear lie makes me lose some confidence in other statements being made in the blog post on topics where I don’t have intimate knowledge, like the club building and fitting process. 

The blog post just makes the statement without context, leaving it open to interpretation. Partial context would have helped. Full context/logic behind it would be too long and could lose the reader's interest. Sure, it could've been phrased better, but it states a reality of golf equipment sales.

If interpreting the context as a global requirement, you're right, it's misleading. If narrowing that to "in order to keep our business model of having the most combinations of anyone", it becomes less misleading - in order to have that model, they must keep their accounts; in order to keep their accounts, they must sell for MAP; therefore they must sell for MAP. 

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On 2/11/2022 at 8:01 AM, Golfspy_CG2 said:

I'll just post this hear and leave the comments to everyone else 🙂

Ok, I lied. You'll either find it an informative or "entertaining" read...LOL

https://clubchampiongolf.com/blog/

CC owns SST Pure and if recall what Everett told me many years ago, he was an early investor in the technology.  It's expected that CC will upsell this all day, every day.

 

The blog has this:  "Our builders are expected to deliver clubs within 1/8 of an inch, one degree of variation for loft and lie, and one swingweight point" ----   That would never pass by me for any of the builds I do, those variables are too wide.

The blog has this:  "Most off-the-rack clubs are built in an assembly line where those tolerances aren’t assured and inspected. The assembly line process will have machines automate all the work or have one person cutting the shaft, another gripping and another gluing, and so on"   ----------   This was the CC model until a few years ago and also why they had delivery time issues, when they hired a person with production expertise.

It would seem to me, that most folks would have done enough research to know  that the first  session with a 'custom fitter' is an analysis of loft and lies, especially lie angle to make sure that what equipment they have is appropriate for whatever swing they have.  A second session would be focused on dialing in lofts, with a third session focusing on shafts.  After the irons are done, then focus on hybrid, then driver.

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5 minutes ago, flyingwedges said:

It would seem to me, that most folks would have done enough research to know  that the first  session with a 'custom fitter' is an analysis of loft and lies, especially lie angle to make sure that what equipment they have is appropriate for whatever swing they have.  A second session would be focused on dialing in lofts, with a third session focusing on shafts.  After the irons are done, then focus on hybrid, then driver.

That seems to be a lot of sessions just for the irons; not sure why one session wouldn't be enough.  The shaft selection would potentially mess up the loft/lie combinations that you did in the first sessions.   How the shaft loads and unloads has an influence on how the head is delivered which ultimately influences lie and loft.   A follow up session for gapping would be done to ensure that the distance gaps between clubs are consistent but that requires the entire set to be built.

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On 2/11/2022 at 7:44 PM, Dog Faced Pony Soldier said:

While I’m not a lawyer, my career has made me knowledgeable on this subject. Nobody can dictate what you can sell something for. I work for a huge international manufacturer, and they’re always VERY careful we not even imply what one of our retailers has to sell something for. It’s literally illegal. If a supplier doesn’t like how your prices impact the marketplace, all they can do is cease supplying you with more product to sell. This really is so obvious it’s ridiculous that anyone can argue that a Minimum ADVERTISED Price policy means something other than the minimum price someone can ADVERTISE. If anyone wants they can do a web search for themselves and get educated. Here’s a screenshot after a 10 second search. Found: https://www.thebalancesmb.com/what-is-minimum-advertised-price-2890196

The point is the person writing that blog post is lying to us. 

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Quite interesting discussion as years ago, one of the largest Ping resellers, Pro Shop World of Golf in Skokie, IL (long since closed) was in a pizzing match with Ping about what they sold iron sets for. Because of volume, they sold many sets of Pings to Japanese business folks who were in the US.  Ping never shut them down but they did fight them on 'advertised' price.

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