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I agree with your viewpoint and I do own some Maltby products. I'm waiting to see what they replace the PTM and TE with next year as they are rolling out some new products. Britt Lindsley talked a little about what they have upcoming next year over in the Maltby club building blog and the new forgings have me excited.

I would genuinely be curious how many clubs Maltby moves because I really don't see them that often. I will see quite a few of them if there is a club builder at a course that likes Maltby but beyond that I don't see many out in the wild. I will probably get a new set of Maltby's built next year depending on what they are offering. 

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I’ve written on several posts that I’ve been interested in building a new set of irons this season. As it’s progressed, I pulled the trigger last week and went with a 4-GW setup with Nippon Modus 3 12

So I received the TS-1 last week Monday. However, living in Wisconsin doesn't allow for nice conditions this time of year. Anyway, the 7 iron is plus 1/2" and 1 degree upright which is per a fitting

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Well, seeing as TXG is going to review the Inesis irons, I'm guessing there isn't much merit to Ian feeling Maltbys are unfinished but rather that Golfworks hasn't sent a demo set to review. Or rather, I should say I bet TXG would do a review if sent a set regardless of any preconceived notions.

Still seems like Golfworks is missing a golden opportunity here, but obviously I have no insight into the inner workings of the company.

That being said, I keep looking at the TS-1s and then am quickly reminding myself that I already have a set of built PTMs and another set of prestine PTM heads sitting in my basement...

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4 hours ago, edingc said:

Well, seeing as TXG is going to review the Inesis irons, I'm guessing there isn't much merit to Ian feeling Maltbys are unfinished but rather that Golfworks hasn't sent a demo set to review. Or rather, I should say I bet TXG would do a review if sent a set regardless of any preconceived notions.

Still seems like Golfworks is missing a golden opportunity here, but obviously I have no insight into the inner workings of the company.

That being said, I keep looking at the TS-1s and then am quickly reminding myself that I already have a set of built PTMs and another set of prestine PTM heads sitting in my basement...

Yeah, that's for sure. I like what Inesis is doing for sure, but their irons are definitely not pleasing to the eye

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How are you getting along with the PTMs? I was browsing the Matby forum yesterday and Britt had said they only have 8 sets left of the PTM with the DBM finish. I figure I'll wait to see what Matlby comes out with next year to replace the TE and PTM with but I kind of like what I'm seeing with the PTM. I always figure I can find a slightly used or NOS set if I don't like what replaces it next year. 

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52 minutes ago, Kansas King said:

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How are you getting along with the PTMs? I was browsing the Matby forum yesterday and Britt had said they only have 8 sets left of the PTM with the DBM finish. I figure I'll wait to see what Matlby comes out with next year to replace the TE and PTM with but I kind of like what I'm seeing with the PTM. I always figure I can find a slightly used or NOS set if I don't like what replaces it next year. 

Both my assembled set and the spare set of heads I have are the pearl chrome - can't speak to the DBM finish, but...

I like the PTMs a lot. They got relegated to my backup set in early July by the #CobraConnect Challenge SpeedZone irons, which I stuck with throughout the rest of the year. This winter at the range I'm going to do a thorough comparison between the SpeedZones and PTMs to see what I want to play next year. I took the PTMs out for a practice round a few weeks ago and hit them really well. Obviously they give up distance to the SpeedZones (which are really, really loft-jacked), but they feel fantastic and the shape is much more compact, but still larger than a true blade.

Oddly enough, to my eye the PTMs have a slight bit more offset than the Cobras do (at least in the shorter irons) and they seem to get along better with my swing. That and the rocker-style/v-style sole is fantastic and forgiving.

And, just going by score, I shot all but one of my best rounds of the season with the PTMs in the bag. 

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49 minutes ago, edingc said:

Both my assembled set and the spare set of heads I have are the pearl chrome - can't speak to the DBM finish, but...

I like the PTMs a lot. They got relegated to my backup set in early July by the #CobraConnect Challenge SpeedZone irons, which I stuck with throughout the rest of the year. This winter at the range I'm going to do a thorough comparison between the SpeedZones and PTMs to see what I want to play next year. I took the PTMs out for a practice round a few weeks ago and hit them really well. Obviously they give up distance to the SpeedZones (which are really, really loft-jacked), but they feel fantastic and the shape is much more compact, but still larger than a true blade.

Oddly enough, to my eye the PTMs have a slight bit more offset than the Cobras do (at least in the shorter irons) and they seem to get along better with my swing. That and the rocker-style/v-style sole is fantastic and forgiving.

And, just going by score, I shot all but one of my best rounds of the season with the PTMs in the bag. 

Thanks for the insight! I switched to the Ping i15s at the end of last season just to try a more forgiving and higher offset iron. I have gotten along well with the i15s and surprisingly, I really liked the extra offset in the longer irons. I used to despise offset but have found out that the benefits outweigh the aesthetic effects. I was originally looking at the TEs but I didn't love the toe shape and I kind of wanted a little higher MOI since my miss is hitting out towards the toe. My biggest issue with the i15s is distance control and that is something I've not had issues in the past with when I was playing my Callaway X-Forged and Bridgestone J-38 DPCs. I enjoy tinkering but I really don't switch irons that often. My best ever rounds were with the J38s but I just never felt like I made consistent solid contact with them. Not trying to get too windy, but I am partial towards Maltby designs because I am more of a sweeper with a rather relaxed swing. So low COG heads that are easy to get the ball in the air really help me out and make it easier for me to relax on the course. I'm not a huge fan of the "players distance" category because when I hit them on launch monitors my spin is almost always too low for my mid irons. So when I do all my mental gymnastics, it would seem the PTM kind of fits my sweet spot of a more forgiving forged iron with a little offset.

As much as I want to order a set of the PTM heads, I think I'm going to wait till next season. I won't be golfing much over the next four months and I want to wait to see what they replace the TE and PTM with. I'll probably make a change next summer after I build a few test irons and see which one I like best. 

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2 hours ago, liermann.mark said:

Can anyone comment on the size of the TS1 head in relation to the Honma 737v  as well as the soles ?

I am unable to see/hit any of these clubs and other than GolfWorks, no one else publishes blade length, toe/heel heights and sole widths.

You might actually try calling GolfWorks customer service and asking them if they know the Honma specs. They get a lot of that information from manufacturers but I don't know if you have it on Honma. You could also just call Honma's customer service line. These specs shouldn't be a secret. 

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On 11/19/2020 at 10:14 AM, liermann.mark said:

Can anyone comment on the size of the TS1 head in relation to the Honma 737v  as well as the soles ?

I am unable to see/hit any of these clubs and other than GolfWorks, no one else publishes blade length, toe/heel heights and sole widths.

So I tried my best to find the specs of the 737v and couldn't come up with anything at all. 

Here are the specs for the TS-1's if this helps in any way. I will say this that the profile sits right in between the TM P760 and 770 if that gives you any better reference. I'll keep looking around

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Can confirm: these puppies are money. Got to take them out to the course today, with some surprisingly mild weather. Even in the beginning of some swing changes, they felt and performed really well. I'll admit, the 4 iron had me slightly intimidated when I first looked down at them. But after a number of great tee shots, I've got nothing but confidence in it!

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On 11/24/2020 at 7:36 AM, liermann.mark said:
Thanks for trying. The TS1 looks nice, but that filled face. Is it clickey?

I had Cleveland 588 TT's that were clickey when you hit it pure. Never liked the sound.

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Great question! First to give my example, and how I also shared the same concerns when I was on the fence about buying them.

In 2019 I was a tester for the Lynx Prowler VT's. Similar.. kind of, but also very different. The 1 major negative for me was the sound. Half the set sound clickey and the other half sounded tingy. It was just a horrendous sound throughout the set and I was very clear about my opinions regarding the acoustics. I even did an experiment where I plugged my ears and hit some. With limited audio, the clubs actually felt pretty decent. When I unplugged my ears, it was amazing that the clubs actually felt clickier when sound was introduced.The audio of the clubs actually impacts the feel in a way. It was a very interesting experiment.

Now to answer your question.. they're absolutely not clickey in the slightest! Being a regular at PGATSS I've hit a LOT of clubs and most of them in the forged mb, cb, and player's distance category. The TS-1'S IMO rank right up there in both sound and feeling with the best in production.

I personally think they are the best. When hit well, the ball explodes off the face with a very satisfying muted crack but. When flushed, there is nothing like it!

Besides the looks, sound, and feel, what I really appreciate is that they're not ridiculously lofted. I'm getting maybe 5 extra yds from my prior DBMs and those are as traditional as they come. Playability and distance control is just superb.

 

Off the toe does get a tad clickey but more so in the "you hit a crappy shot" sense which definitely equates to feedback and is only helpful.

Keep us posted when you get your 7. I started out with a single 3 iron which was probably not the best idea in hindsight but it still worked well enough to encourage me to take the plunge.

Hopefully that was somewhat helpful. Looking forward to your feedback on the club.

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On 11/12/2020 at 11:12 AM, azstu324 said:

So we are obviously all familiar with various Maltby Offerings right? I'm familiar with the TS-1 and DBM's. I know they're not all visual successes but no OEM has a 100% aesthetic success rate. Take the clubs that visually look the part and also are just home runs as far as playability go, i.e. PTM, DBM, TS-1, TS-2, TSW, KE4 woods, etc. are fit and finish really a problem when comparing each of these to OEM's? 

I did a comparison of the TS-1 in the "show us your Maltby" thread to the TM P770. IMO, I'm not seeing any missed steps in product quality. I actually like the look and profile of the TS-1 better and the P770 is a really nice looking club. Samesies with the TSW wedges. 

I'm guessing that with some of these guys it boils down to viewer ratings. If they're gonna put together a video, they're probably thinking more about maximizing their audience. Additionally, Maltby would need to have a need for the connection as I'm sure other OEM's are sending free gear to these guys to get some camera time. If Maltby isn't willing to form a partnership and provide clubs, and these Youtube guys aren't willing to fork up a few bucks to do a review that might get less action than an OEM review, it's a lose/lose. Definitely sucks

 

 

Just catching up on this entire thread - good one btw.  I do find the whole side discussion about why Maltby irons are not finding their way into various testing/review venues both interesting and odd. There does indeed seem to be a fairly recent surge and popularity in DTC companies.  It would seem now is the time more than ever to leverage this. Unless Maltby/GWX has all the sales they can handle and no desire to grow market share, it seems really crazy to me they have not offered up products for MGS Most Wanted testing. Perhaps they think the testing format is biased?  Perhaps they just want to keep the question how they would rank a mystery? 

As for the other various YT and TGW product reviews not including these is odd, however, I did find a 3 part series by Fit2YouGolf.  This reviewer describes the TS1 as a players category... which makes more sense that what I shared above.

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Just catching up on this entire thread - good one btw.  I do find the whole side discussion about why Maltby irons are not finding their way into various testing/review venues both interesting and odd. There does indeed seem to be a fairly recent surge and popularity in DTC companies.  It would seem now is the time more than ever to leverage this. Unless Maltby/GWX has all the sales they can handle and no desire to grow market share, it seems really crazy to me they have not offered up products for MGS Most Wanted testing. Perhaps they think the testing format is biased?  Perhaps they just want to keep the question how they would rank a mystery? 
As for the other various YT and TGW product reviews not including these is odd, however, I did find a 3 part series by Fit2YouGolf.  This reviewer describes the TS1 as a players category... which makes more sense that what I shared above.
Good ol Dave from fit2you golf! I've probably seen all of his videos just because he's really the ONLY person providing any video reviews on Maltby.

My understanding is that Dave is a psychologist by profession and a hobby club builder who uses primarily Golfworks/Maltby gear. I doubt he's getting any financial kickbacks from them at all. He's just an enthusiast like many of us and happens to be content with using his own resources to obtain the equipment and produce the videos.

Honestly though, I don't see too many in the golf world stumbling upon his reviews unless they're specifically looking for "Maltby" or "Golfworks" equipment.

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20 hours ago, ncwoz said:

Can confirm: these puppies are money. Got to take them out to the course today, with some surprisingly mild weather. Even in the beginning of some swing changes, they felt and performed really well. I'll admit, the 4 iron had me slightly intimidated when I first looked down at them. But after a number of great tee shots, I've got nothing but confidence in it!

They really are a great club.  Looking at the 4 iron, it certainly doesn't look like what you'd expect but it is proof that they have engineered a great club that still fits into a player's category.

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I'm not especially fond of the loft progression in the long irons for the TS1.  If I were to try a set, I'd probably have to skip the 4i in a 3-GW set, or go 5-GW with a TS2 4 iron.

Not much danger of that, with the graphite reshafts I've got on tap (and ahead of them in the queue).  😉

 

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I'm not especially fond of the loft progression in the long irons for the TS1.  If I were to try a set, I'd probably have to skip the 4i in a 3-GW set, or go 5-GW with a TS2 4 iron.
Not much danger of that, with the graphite reshafts I've got on tap (and ahead of them in the queue). 
 
I stopped the TS-1s at the 5i and have the 3 and 2 of the FDI. Those Ke4 FDIs are pretty darn friendly.

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3 hours ago, NRJyzr said:

I'm not especially fond of the loft progression in the long irons for the TS1.  If I were to try a set, I'd probably have to skip the 4i in a 3-GW set, or go 5-GW with a TS2 4 iron.

Not much danger of that, with the graphite reshafts I've got on tap (and ahead of them in the queue).  😉

 

If playing the longer irons is your jam, Just note that these are butter soft so bending lofts to meet your desired specs is not an issue at all. That said, the Ts2 4 iron wouldn't be a bad accompaniment to the set. 

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3 hours ago, Popeye64 said:

I stopped the TS-1s at the 5i and have the 3 and 2 of the FDI. Those Ke4 FDIs are pretty darn friendly.

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I definitely think I had a shaft put into my Ke4 DI 3i. I hit it shorter than I do my 4i with it going the same distance on some shots. That was just one round where I had those results. I'm going to hit the range with it in the spring and see if there is any change if not I'm going to have to find another shaft for it or just sell it.

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