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19 hours ago, brendalonian said:

I've been gaming the Wilson D7 Forged since last summer and I was pretty shocked when I saw they carry an MPF score of 438. But then again, my distance and lateral dispersion with them is pretty erratic. Seeing as how inexpensive the TE Forged heads are, I decided to build three 6 irons in different shafts for some testing. 

Even with an MPF of 788, I didn't expect the TE to be ultra forgiving given its compact shape. After four driving range sessions and one 9-hole round, I have been incredibly impressed by how much forgiveness this club provides. The carry distance is down a tad from my Wilsons due to the weaker lofts, but the distance consistency appears, thus far, to be superior. I'm finding a groove with one of the shafts in particular and I feel like I'm throwing darts with this club. 

It feels weird to consider replacing a 1.5 year old model with an 11 year old model, but I suppose Maltby/GolfWorks hasn't replaced it because it works and still sells. I too echo @WalterS's question about the longevity of the grooves and wonder if the DBM version would hold up better over time. 

Good to hear you're liking the TEs too. Yes I wonder if the DBM version's grooves hold up longer. I guess one option would be to buy a spare set of TE heads before they stop making them.

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4 hours ago, WalterS said:

Good to hear you're liking the TEs too. Yes I wonder if the DBM version's grooves hold up longer. I guess one option would be to buy a spare set of TE heads before they stop making them.

From what I've read, the DBM treatment make the metal marginally harder and thus prolonging groove life by a little. Honestly, at $250/set for 8 irons, having a second set waiting wouldn't be a bad idea. The club pack is $259 with the Score LT shafts so you can buy that for only $10 - $20 more than the heads alone which would be a no-brainer. I doubt Maltby stops making the TE heads anytime soon but Britt Lindsey did say on the Maltby forum that a new forging will be out in 2022. At $250/set, it's unlikely you will take a massive loss on the heads if you don't end up using them. Plus, you could buy four sets of TEs before you hit the price of any mainstream OEM offering. 

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There are two things that will keep the DBM irons grooves fresher. 1, the DBM finish is not a coating but a chemical process that goes into the metal... not on. So there is nothing to wear off the grooves. 

2, the metal is quite a bit harder now and wears far slower. 

So other than graying in color I have never seen the grooves of a set of DBM irons degrade much more than a rock nick here and there. 

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5 minutes ago, Popeye64 said:

There are two things that will keep the DBM irons grooves fresher. 1, the DBM finish is not a coating but a chemical process that goes into the metal... not on. So there is nothing to wear off the grooves. 

2, the metal is quite a bit harder now and wears far slower. 

So other than graying in color I have never seen the grooves of a set of DBM irons degrade much more than a rock nick here and there. 

This makes sense. Given the manufacturing processes that creates a harder surface in the DBM, do you think there is a noticeable difference in feel versus the TE? The TE's feel so buttery. 

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42 minutes ago, brendalonian said:

This makes sense. Given the manufacturing processes that creates a harder surface in the DBM, do you think there is a noticeable difference in feel versus the TE? The TE's feel so buttery. 

Yes the feel and sound does change a bit. TE feel is as good as any forged head. DBM just is not as soft. Maybe a clicker sound. 

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39 minutes ago, brendalonian said:

This makes sense. Given the manufacturing processes that creates a harder surface in the DBM, do you think there is a noticeable difference in feel versus the TE? The TE's feel so buttery. 

GolfWorks claims they feel the same. I have a feeling the difference would be more mental than anything. It's important to remember that the TEs have a chrome coating over the top affecting feel unlike the DBMs. The biggest difference is that the DBMs are 1 degree stronger lofted. I also went back to the Maltby forum and in a recent post Britt said they have a progressive cavity back forging quite a ways along in the design process with their next muscle back coming out in 2022.

I have a feeling Golfworks is looking to move on from the TE design eventually but I would be surprised if it is within the next year. I have a feeling if their new forged designs are good, the TE and DBM will go away. My gut says they TE may not be a real profitable product at $29/head like it probably used to be. I'm willing to bet that Maltby doesn't make a forged head that costs under $45 within the next three years. 

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The TE is known as a Legacy head. It's been produced in a form for what has to be nearly 15 years probably closer to 20. A true timeless design. I'm pretty sure they have enough for one more model year. The MMB was another head that live a very long life. 

The TS-1 and TS-2 have approached all time sales records if not already there. . So that's what killed the PTM. The TS-1 also killed the MMB-17.  Britt has been working on the new forging for quite a while and hoped it would have already been here. The KE4 Tour replacement is just around the corner as well. Another legacy head that's been tweaked forever. 

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On 5/6/2021 at 2:05 PM, Kansas King said:

GolfWorks claims they feel the same. I have a feeling the difference would be more mental than anything. It's important to remember that the TEs have a chrome coating over the top affecting feel unlike the DBMs. The biggest difference is that the DBMs are 1 degree stronger lofted. I also went back to the Maltby forum and in a recent post Britt said they have a progressive cavity back forging quite a ways along in the design process with their next muscle back coming out in 2022.

I have a feeling Golfworks is looking to move on from the TE design eventually but I would be surprised if it is within the next year. I have a feeling if their new forged designs are good, the TE and DBM will go away. My gut says they TE may not be a real profitable product at $29/head like it probably used to be. I'm willing to bet that Maltby doesn't make a forged head that costs under $45 within the next three years. 

 

On 5/6/2021 at 5:08 PM, Popeye64 said:

The TE is known as a Legacy head. It's been produced in a form for what has to be nearly 15 years probably closer to 20. A true timeless design. I'm pretty sure they have enough for one more model year. The MMB was another head that live a very long life. 

The TS-1 and TS-2 have approached all time sales records if not already there. . So that's what killed the PTM. The TS-1 also killed the MMB-17.  Britt has been working on the new forging for quite a while and hoped it would have already been here. The KE4 Tour replacement is just around the corner as well. Another legacy head that's been tweaked forever. 

I don't know how long the TE have been out, but considering just how good this head is I can't see why they would stop making it, I prefer it over my Mizuno MPs. New is not always better and I don't know how much better you can get over the TE. Some say the TS1 is better, I don't know I have never tried them. Maybe more people bought them because they have the muscle back look over a cavity backed TE. Well when it comes time to replace a few of my TE heads and they aren't available anymore hopefully Britt will have a newer model that is just as good. Time will tell.

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2 hours ago, WalterS said:

 

I don't know how long the TE have been out, but considering just how good this head is I can't see why they would stop making it, I prefer it over my Mizuno MPs. New is not always better and I don't know how much better you can get over the TE. Some say the TS1 is better, I don't know I have never tried them. Maybe more people bought them because they have the muscle back look over a cavity backed TE. Well when it comes time to replace a few of my TE heads and they aren't available anymore hopefully Britt will have a newer model that is just as good. Time will tell.

The first real rendition of these was the M-05 Logic Tradition started back in 2003. They went through small tweaks for years but have always been one of the best sellers. The final version is the TE and honestly if they keep selling they will keep making them. Time may have finally caught up with the design.. though it has been timeless. 

The new TS3 is a very promising progressive cavity back that will be a true forged club. I have very high hoped for this head and it probably won't be till late winter spring. He still has not released pictures yet. 

TS-1 is all the latest bells and whistles in tech so it's tough for the TE to keep up. Sounds like the TS3 will be right between the two. 

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On 5/10/2021 at 1:17 PM, Popeye64 said:

The first real rendition of these was the M-05 Logic Tradition started back in 2003. They went through small tweaks for years but have always been one of the best sellers. The final version is the TE and honestly if they keep selling they will keep making them. Time may have finally caught up with the design.. though it has been timeless. 

The new TS3 is a very promising progressive cavity back that will be a true forged club. I have very high hoped for this head and it probably won't be till late winter spring. He still has not released pictures yet. 

TS-1 is all the latest bells and whistles in tech so it's tough for the TE to keep up. Sounds like the TS3 will be right between the two. 

Well in that case I hope the new TS3 version has the same lofts and offsets as the TE, if so then I would give them a try when the time comes.

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Was able to get a partial set of the Maltby PTM heads (6-GW), and searching for a 5 iron to complete the set.  Any assistance is greatly appreciated.

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10 hours ago, WalterS said:

Well in that case I hope the new TS3 version has the same lofts and offsets as the TE, if so then I would give them a try when the time comes.

I'm not sure in this day and age they will stay with traditional lofts. I know they won't be distance Iron lofts but they will not be the TE lofts. I would also expect a progressive offset but minimal.

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15 hours ago, ScarletGrayFire said:

Was able to get a partial set of the Maltby PTM heads (8-GW), and searching for 5-7 to complete the set.  Any assistance is greatly appreciated.

As I transition away from 6i PTM demos heads I have more popping up. I might have one next week become homeless. 

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On 5/10/2021 at 2:17 PM, Popeye64 said:

The first real rendition of these was the M-05 Logic Tradition started back in 2003. They went through small tweaks for years but have always been one of the best sellers. The final version is the TE and honestly if they keep selling they will keep making them. Time may have finally caught up with the design.. though it has been timeless. 

The new TS3 is a very promising progressive cavity back that will be a true forged club. I have very high hoped for this head and it probably won't be till late winter spring. He still has not released pictures yet. 

TS-1 is all the latest bells and whistles in tech so it's tough for the TE to keep up. Sounds like the TS3 will be right between the two. 

 

On 5/11/2021 at 2:20 PM, WalterS said:

Well in that case I hope the new TS3 version has the same lofts and offsets as the TE, if so then I would give them a try when the time comes.

 

On 5/12/2021 at 1:14 AM, Popeye64 said:

I'm not sure in this day and age they will stay with traditional lofts. I know they won't be distance Iron lofts but they will not be the TE lofts. I would also expect a progressive offset but minimal.

I fully expect Maltby to try and replace the TE/DBM in the coming year or two. Between the new cavity and muscle back they will be coming out with over the year or two, I would expect the TE to disappear. I'm sure the TE still sells okay but the TS1 and TS2 have surely taken much of it's sales away. The one thing I will be curious of with whatever they build to potentially replace the TE is how low the VCOG will be. The TE has a very low VCOG of 0.675" that significantly lower that any other modern Maltby line. Most new Maltby clubs have VCOGs around 0.75" which is good but I have a feeling the very low VCOG of the TE is one of the things that has made it so special over the years. The combination of low VCOG, adequate MOI, non-progressive low offset, thin topline, and moderately forgiving sole has made the club a real "goldilocks" if not borderline unicorn in the golf world. I think the only clubs that perform similarly are some of the Bridgestone cavity back irons and the slightly older Callaway X-Forged cavity backs from roughly 2007 - 2013. 

My ultimate hope for a TE replacement is really just a more cosmetic redesign that maintains the current mass and dimensional properties similar. I think the biggest thing we may see is a change to progressive offset and stronger lofts. Hopefully the progressive offset isn't too severe because I play with the MMB 17s and the progressive offset is a little strong to say the least. I enjoy the forgiveness they provide but the longer irons aren't exactly the prettiest to look down to at address. I've hit a TE and really liked it. I may order a set but I get along so well with my MMB 17s, I'm not in a rush. I really wish their were more fitters that had Maltby heads to try. I don't mind building sample irons but it would be easier to see a fitter and try 5 different shafts on a launch monitor than play the guessing game by having to install different shafts on different days. 

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On 5/14/2021 at 10:00 AM, Kansas King said:

 

 

I fully expect Maltby to try and replace the TE/DBM in the coming year or two. Between the new cavity and muscle back they will be coming out with over the year or two, I would expect the TE to disappear. I'm sure the TE still sells okay but the TS1 and TS2 have surely taken much of it's sales away. The one thing I will be curious of with whatever they build to potentially replace the TE is how low the VCOG will be. The TE has a very low VCOG of 0.675" that significantly lower that any other modern Maltby line. Most new Maltby clubs have VCOGs around 0.75" which is good but I have a feeling the very low VCOG of the TE is one of the things that has made it so special over the years. The combination of low VCOG, adequate MOI, non-progressive low offset, thin topline, and moderately forgiving sole has made the club a real "goldilocks" if not borderline unicorn in the golf world. I think the only clubs that perform similarly are some of the Bridgestone cavity back irons and the slightly older Callaway X-Forged cavity backs from roughly 2007 - 2013. 

My ultimate hope for a TE replacement is really just a more cosmetic redesign that maintains the current mass and dimensional properties similar. I think the biggest thing we may see is a change to progressive offset and stronger lofts. Hopefully the progressive offset isn't too severe because I play with the MMB 17s and the progressive offset is a little strong to say the least. I enjoy the forgiveness they provide but the longer irons aren't exactly the prettiest to look down to at address. I've hit a TE and really liked it. I may order a set but I get along so well with my MMB 17s, I'm not in a rush. I really wish their were more fitters that had Maltby heads to try. I don't mind building sample irons but it would be easier to see a fitter and try 5 different shafts on a launch monitor than play the guessing game by having to install different shafts on different days. 

Yes I'd have to agree with you on all your points about the TEs. Cosmetic redesign okay no problem, but keep the low VCOG and the offsets or lack of offsets, this is what I like about them.

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Was originally excited about a PING G425 order I had placed back on April 13th ... was misinformed that it would be shipped last Monday (5th week from order date), only to be notified shortly thereafter that it'll be another 5 to 6 weeks. Order cxld. 

Just pulled the trigger and ordered Maltby's TS1s in PW and GW heads. I'll have a local club-fitter fit them with the Nippon 105s from my TM M1 irons. 

Both curious and excited to see the results and how these perform. 

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8 hours ago, mikeanthony said:

Was originally excited about a PING G425 order I had placed back on April 13th ... was misinformed that it would be shipped last Monday (5th week from order date), only to be notified shortly thereafter that it'll be another 5 to 6 weeks. Order cxld. 

Just pulled the trigger and ordered Maltby's TS1s in PW and GW heads. I'll have a local club-fitter fit them with the Nippon 105s from my TM M1 irons. 

Both curious and excited to see the results and how these perform. 

Just FYI and in case you didn't already know, both the PW and Gap are just straight forged heads. No magic goo or tungsten weight. That said, Maltby did a great job designing the sound and feel to be nearly identical to the rest of the set so you really can't go wrong. 

 

Keep us all updated on your thoughts when the clubs are built.. and if/when your fitter asks about the clubs (and he probably will) (also assuming he's never seen them before), just tell him that they're insanely expensive and only a select few people on earth are able to get their hands on them. 😛 

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52 minutes ago, azstu324 said:

Just FYI and in case you didn't already know, both the PW and Gap are just straight forged heads. No magic goo or tungsten weight. That said, Maltby did a great job designing the sound and feel to be nearly identical to the rest of the set so you really can't go wrong. 

 

Keep us all updated on your thoughts when the clubs are built.. and if/when your fitter asks about the clubs (and he probably will) (also assuming he's never seen them before), just tell him that they're insanely expensive and only a select few people on earth are able to get their hands on them. 😛 

LOL! Duly noted. And appreciate the heads up.  

Back in ‘06, I had a set of Taylormade RAC TP irons stolen ... was on a super tight budget at the time and ended up buying a custom mixed set of Snake Eyes 600b/600c built by Golfsmith. Absolutely loved those clubs and still have them in the garage. 

I’m all for non-OEM clubs and it was MGS that brought Maltby to my attention. Think the reviews and feedback on this forum speak for themselves ... also looking fwd to getting back into forged irons. 

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Wow. Already rcvd a FedEx shipping label ... within a day, no less. That’s a first!!! 

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2 hours ago, mikeanthony said:

Wow. Already rcvd a FedEx shipping label ... within a day, no less. That’s a first!!! 

Golfworks has seriously good customer service probably because it is more intended for club builders and professionals than solely retail consumers. They are transparent and the people on the phone know their stuff. While I would like to see more people play clubs from "custom" makers like Maltby, I also wouldn't want to see Matlby's customer service get overrun with demand and watered down. 

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