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10 hours ago, B.Boston said:


I’m interested to see what the high swing speed breakdown is. I was surprised to see that TM snuck in there when the overall most wanted went to the flash.

It really makes me want to find a good g400 on eBay since I can still use my tour shaft from the g30 to try out. Haha.

Used F9 prices are pretty tempting too.

Hmmmmm this quarantine could get expensive.


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...  OK, if you hit a 3 iron 235 then 98% of us don't care about your problems. In fact we hope your wedges cause a gapping issue!  🤣

I'm surprised the announcement of the results didn't crash the site. I also didn't expect Ping to take home the crown considering all the buzz over the SIM and Mavrik. Guess that goes to show that you

Donated $9 to MGS just for giggles.   Not sure another 18 yards is possible with a stock shaft, and for the Mizuno to show “stiff shaft” with a 115 mph swing speed seems unlikely, but would be fun to

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16 hours ago, cnosil said:

Haven't even done the test.   They had to wait until the winner was selected and due to Coronavirus all testing has been shutdown.  

I thought they mentioned on the podcast they had delayed releasing the test because they decided to go back and test the previous years drivers.  I assumed by releasing the data they had completed all of the testing.  

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23 hours ago, lamb said:

I would prefer to see a comparison of static loft to launch angle instead. A couple of the drivers are 14% and 17% for launch which brings the average up and makes many other drivers seem very low launching when they might not be. Or at least a column of the average launch to compare the percentages against.

Dynamic loft would provide much more detail regarding this. Static loft is pretty much irrelevant. 

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7 hours ago, JonMUSC08 said:

Correct.

No stupid questions, unless you ask which club is the driver... 🤣

Wait a second, this isn't the test for the electric carts?  Uh oh, I think I need to get back on line and cancel my order, I was wondering why EZ GO wasn't in this....

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Dynamic loft would provide much more detail regarding this. Static loft is pretty much irrelevant. 


I want to know static loft to have a baseline. Dynamic loft is useless for comparison if you don’t know the static loft (ex. If two clubs average 15* of dynamic loft, but have 3* difference is static loft then that tells you something).


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Well, I was hoping that the SIM would win. I have one in the bag and it has been an absolute monster for me. It was good enough to beat the Epic flash SZ out of my bag. But, I cannot argue the results of the test. The data is far too compelling and that beats the eyeball test every time. 

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According to the 2019 test it finished 8th in strokes gained and dropped to 16th this year under the new testing guidelines. Screenshot_20200323-214535_Firefox-01.jpeg.5a1a192a67e4e49eb9dd7d89b11acdd4.jpeg

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22 hours ago, bens197 said:

 


Not this year. What it does however, is reaffirms why I am playing my G400 LST. A product of consistency.

 

Agreed. A few videos show very little differences between g400 and g410... just good stix...

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1 hour ago, Quigleyd said:

Well, I was hoping that the SIM would win. I have one in the bag and it has been an absolute monster for me. It was good enough to beat the Epic flash SZ out of my bag. But, I cannot argue the results of the test. The data is far too compelling and that beats the eyeball test every time. 

 

... I post this a lot but it never hurts to hear it again. This data is just a start to put you in the right ball park. Standing in one spot and hitting golf balls using a LM is just so very different than playing golf. Kinda like a dating service that matches you up with data that should indicate a good match. But when going on a date, it just doesn't click or actually works out poorly. The numbers were there and you gave yourself a good chance to make it work but live interaction has it's own variables.

... I have given these examples before but I was fit for the R1 over the RBZ because it produced less spin with more carry as well as more roll from a better AOD. The RBZ launched a little lower with more spin and less roll but it felt so much better and looked a lot better to my eye at address. But I was losing about 10 yds per drive. Bummer. TaylorMade convinced me the R1 was the way to go and it was hard to argue with them. But on the course I was all over the place. Trajectory was consistently lower and my normal left miss turned into a 2 way miss and after about 5 rounds I had lost confidence. TM sent me the RBZ and it was better with the first drive. Nice high trajectory I was used to seeing and better carry than the R1 unless I was into a breeze because it definitely spun more. But I was hitting fairways again and I had confidence in the RBZ where I had none in the R1. Obviously this had everything to do with my mental attitude because looking at the smaller looking deeper faced R1 did not fill me with confidence like the larger headed shallow faced RBZ. 

... Several years later I hit the original Ping LS more consistently than any driver I ever hit on Demo Day. Every drive had the same trajectory and similar distance and the numbers were just about ideal. Long and crazy straight. But it sounded soooooo bad and those turbulators were very detracting to my eye.  Taking it out for a round of golf was a struggle. Very first drive was a little low fade and the sound was so much worse than on the range with hundreds of people hitting balls all around me. I had to check the head to make sure it did not have a crack because it sounded so bad. I managed to hit a couple of good drives but several really bad ones with 2 in the water. I was hitting this driver to places I had never been before and not in a good way. Having learned my lesson with the R1 and given that there was a LS Lovefest on wrx, I was able to sell it for a slight loss. 

... So Quigleyd that SIM that has ben a monster may just beat out any other driver you put it up against. You already have confidence in it on the golf course and in the end that is all that matters. Of course I am not suggesting you don't demo a driver with better numbers if it looks good to you because not may turn out to be better, but your bird in the hand may just be better than the two birds in the bush regardless of the data. I really love these MGS driver tests, but they are just a start to narrow down the drivers you want to demo on a golf course. 

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13 hours ago, JonMUSC08 said:

No stupid questions, unless you ask which club is the driver... 🤣

A couple of those drivers were more like wedges.  🙂

6 hours ago, 03trdblack said:

I thought they mentioned on the podcast they had delayed releasing the test because they decided to go back and test the previous years drivers.  I assumed by releasing the data they had completed all of the testing.  

Nope.  I was there before the COVID lockdown doing most wanted putters and I let Harry know I wanted to test the past years drivers.  They weren't going to start after the release of the most wanted drivers so we wouldn't know the winners.  

On 3/23/2020 at 3:05 PM, lamb said:

I would prefer to see a comparison of static loft to launch angle instead. A couple of the drivers are 14% and 17% for launch which brings the average up and makes many other drivers seem very low launching when they might not be. Or at least a column of the average launch to compare the percentages against.

A couple of those drivers were not suited for every player and even with the adjustments we couldn't get them to launch low enough.   The percentages just have you look at the fact that it was higher or lower launching than the median.   That may be entirely different than what you experience with that club.  MGS is constantly trying to optimize how they present numbers and generally people want to see something different.  

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3 hours ago, chisag said:

 

... I post this a lot but it never hurts to hear it again. This data is just a start to put you in the right ball park. Standing in one spot and hitting golf balls using a LM is just so very different than playing golf. Kinda like a dating service that matches you up with data that should indicate a good match. But when going on a date, it just doesn't click or actually works out poorly. The numbers were there and you gave yourself a good chance to make it work but live interaction has it's own variables.

... I have given these examples before but I was fit for the R1 over the RBZ because it produced less spin with more carry as well as more roll from a better AOD. The RBZ launched a little lower with more spin and less roll but it felt so much better and looked a lot better to my eye at address. But I was losing about 10 yds per drive. Bummer. TaylorMade convinced me the R1 was the way to go and it was hard to argue with them. But on the course I was all over the place. Trajectory was consistently lower and my normal left miss turned into a 2 way miss and after about 5 rounds I had lost confidence. TM sent me the RBZ and it was better with the first drive. Nice high trajectory I was used to seeing and better carry than the R1 unless I was into a breeze because it definitely spun more. But I was hitting fairways again and I had confidence in the RBZ where I had none in the R1. Obviously this had everything to do with my mental attitude because looking at the smaller looking deeper faced R1 did not fill me with confidence like the larger headed shallow faced RBZ. 

... Several years later I hit the original Ping LS more consistently than any driver I ever hit on Demo Day. Every drive had the same trajectory and similar distance and the numbers were just about ideal. Long and crazy straight. But it sounded soooooo bad and those turbulators were very detracting to my eye.  Taking it out for a round of golf was a struggle. Very first drive was a little low fade and the sound was so much worse than on the range with hundreds of people hitting balls all around me. I had to check the head to make sure it did not have a crack because it sounded so bad. I managed to hit a couple of good drives but several really bad ones with 2 in the water. I was hitting this driver to places I had never been before and not in a good way. Having learned my lesson with the R1 and given that there was a LS Lovefest on wrx, I was able to sell it for a slight loss. 

... So Quigleyd that SIM that has ben a monster may just beat out any other driver you put it up against. You already have confidence in it on the golf course and in the end that is all that matters. Of course I am not suggesting you don't demo a driver with better numbers if it looks good to you because not may turn out to be better, but your bird in the hand may just be better than the two birds in the bush regardless of the data. I really love these MGS driver tests, but they are just a start to narrow down the drivers you want to demo on a golf course. 

I completely agree. I am not running out to buy a ping. It would just be cool to have the most wanted validation as well. I wonder if the ran the exact same test again if they would get the same winner? I am sure they would but they are relying imperfect humans with imperfect swings. So who knows. I personally love the SIM.

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Funny thing is, in all of my fittings since the G410 came out, I only hit it in one fitting, and at a demo-day. Both were before the LST became available. I have meshed with almost every Ping driver, but my G30 beat the 410. Crazy. Just had the right combo of shaft and hot melt in the G30 head at the time.


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Maybe.  Maybe not.  If over time would pick back up at my job, I'd have the money for a driver to just magically appear in my bag.  The data definately keeps me leaning to wanting to try a Srixon driver.

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Need to dig down deeper into the results and article, but looking at the TS3 results, it seems similar to what Titleist always is.  It's not the longest or lowest spinning, but for me and it seems like others, has always been a consistent and reliable performer.  I've hit other drivers longer, when I had the Taylormade M2, it was much longer but I also could spray it everywhere.  Every Titleist driver, I've had, it's been consistent with fairly good numbers, but also the ever important confidence boosting. 

From everything I've seen on Ping over the years and from this site, I would love to try it some time.  I did demo the G400 LST with some fairly good results, but it was missing the moveable weight element for me.  I noticed that I was more consistent when I did have a weight in the toe.  I thought about the hot melt or lead tape, but just didn't go that route.

I want to give another full year to my TS3, but definitely may pick up a G410 LST next year if I find the right price.  

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3 minutes ago, juspoole said:

Need to dig down deeper into the results and article, but looking at the TS3 results, it seems similar to what Titleist always is.  It's not the longest or lowest spinning, but for me and it seems like others, has always been a consistent and reliable performer.  I've hit other drivers longer, when I had the Taylormade M2, it was much longer but I also could spray it everywhere.  Every Titleist driver, I've had, it's been consistent with fairly good numbers, but also the ever important confidence boosting. 

From everything I've seen on Ping over the years and from this site, I would love to try it some time.  I did demo the G400 LST with some fairly good results, but it was missing the moveable weight element for me.  I noticed that I was more consistent when I did have a weight in the toe.  I thought about the hot melt or lead tape, but just didn't go that route.

I want to give another full year to my TS3, but definitely may pick up a G410 LST next year if I find the right price.  

FWIW - the g400 LST was #1 in 2018 - https://mygolfspy.com/2018-most-wanted-driver/

seems like "LST" is a very good model.

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On 3/23/2020 at 8:27 PM, chisag said:

 

... I would think waiting for the different swing speed performances would be a good idea for most people's decision guide. Especially if you are on either end of the extremes. 

Just FWIW - looking at the dates and times between when the MW was posted and Swing Speed results were posted there seems to be a 4 week+ gap.
https://mygolfspy.com/category/product-reviews/golfs-most-wanted/

If you can wait, that's obviously ideal.

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Just FWIW - looking at the dates and times between when the MW was posted and Swing Speed results were posted there seems to be a 4 week+ gap.
https://mygolfspy.com/category/product-reviews/golfs-most-wanted/
If you can wait, that's obviously ideal.

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15 hours ago, Quigleyd said:

Well, I was hoping that the SIM would win. I have one in the bag and it has been an absolute monster for me. It was good enough to beat the Epic flash SZ out of my bag. But, I cannot argue the results of the test. The data is far too compelling and that beats the eyeball test every time. 

Remember what Adam has always said, There's no one driver that is best for everyone, but there is one driver that is best for everyone.  With so many testers, 37 I think,  there were certainly a handful where the SIM ranked as the best for them, but just not for the majority of the group.   But I  certainly understand the part about wanting to wear the badge of playing the Most Wanted Driver, nothing wrong with that at all. 

Having had the SIM MAX for a few rounds then moving on from it, I think  it definitely isn't a plug and play driver, it maybe more than any other driver out this year requires a thorough fitting from a qualified fitter.    

I'm glad it works for you, TM makes great drivers, and I  have hit the SIM MAX-D better than I did the first model.  But it still lags a bit behind my TS1. 

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On 3/23/2020 at 7:14 PM, GolfSpy Stroker said:

Anyone have any plans to make a purchase based on the results released today?

I was fit at a Callaway fitting two weeks ago into the Mavrik Sub Zero 10.5 with Evenflow RipTide 6.0. S shaft.

One day after "The Pandemic" clears I want to be fit for the Ping G410. Then I might be in the market for a purchase. 

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:bridgestone-small: Tour B RXS  Align XL    All in a :cobra-small:  Masters Staff Bag  or  SpeedZone stand bag

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Tested :bridgestone-small: Prototype Balls       Tour B RXS                Tested:image.png.8e77a45b1fe8c9cfb7c2a61386f855a5.pngBlack Cat irons 5 - PW UST Mamiya Recoil Graphite Regular +0.5" 1* upright                         

  :Arccos:                                                                                                                                                                      697979773_DSCN2368(Custom).JPG.a1a25f5e430d9eebae93c5d652cbd4b9.JPG

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