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3 hours ago, casey_0507 said:

Speedzone Extreme is a new model line this year for Cobra. Speedzone would be the successor to F9. 

Thanks, but was familiar with that. That's why I say "the 2020 model", however having not hit it I was only speaking to the original speedzone as this one isn't an overhaul from that model.

Heard some really good things about Srixon drivers the past few years, how has yours been treating you?


Driver:  image.png.3c6db1120d888f669e07d4a8f890b3f1.pngMavrik Sub Zero 9* (Set to 10) Ventus Blue 6X

3 Wood: :titelist-small: 917F2 Fujikura Pro 84 Tour Spec S

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Gap/Sand Wedge:  :titelist-small: Vokey SM6 49*  SM8 54* 

Lob Wedge:  :titelist-small: Vokey SM6 58* Nippon Modus Wedge

Putter:  image.png.cca2328f4144a299c795aa9b8f3bf677.png Inovai 6.0              :scotty-small: Pro Platinum Newport 2 35"  

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48 minutes ago, juspoole said:

Thanks, but was familiar with that. That's why I say "the 2020 model", however having not hit it I was only speaking to the original speedzone as this one isn't an overhaul from that model.

Heard some really good things about Srixon drivers the past few years, how has yours been treating you?

I think you are still confusing models. Last year was one driver, F9 Speedback. This year is two models, Speedzone and Speedzone Extreme. 
 

F9 Speedback --> Speedzone

Speedzone Extreme is a new offering and the one that was named most forgiving. 
 

I still love my Z565 although I'm considering searching for a new driver this year. I've got both the Speedzone and Sim 8*.  Just sold the Sim as I needed to turn the loft up and I couldn't keep off the left side of the course.  Gonna give the Speedzone a run as the few times I hit it it seemed to miss right (fade) which I prefer. 

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Cobra F7 13.5* Aldila Tour Blue 75x

Cobra F6 Baffler 17.5* Aldila Tour Blue 85x

Cobra Amp Forged 4-PW KBS Tour Stiff

Vokey SM6 50, 54. 58

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On 4/11/2020 at 4:42 PM, Sluggo42 said:

Those are some odd gaps from 150 down you got going on there...🧐

Right? As I’ve improved/ bought new clubs it’s gotten worse...

turns out my AP3 set (4-PI) is 2 degrees stronger than my old set, creating a super awkward 20 yard gap between my pitching wedge and my 50 degree: I’m gonna get a 48 degree sm8 and ditch the 50 I think ...


 

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40 minutes ago, Micah T said:

Right? As I’ve improved/ bought new clubs it’s gotten worse...

turns out my AP3 set (4-PI) is 2 degrees stronger than my old set, creating a super awkward 20 yard gap between my pitching wedge and my 50 degree: I’m gonna get a 48 degree sm8 and ditch the 50 I think ...

 

... I went thru the loft conundrum several years ago and went from 48-54-60* with my wedges to 46-52-58*. After getting comfortable with the new lofts I found I liked the set up better than the old set up, mostly because I found my 58* more versatile than my 60*. I hope you find the same!  

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Fw wood: Cobra Speedzone 14.5* ... Atmos TS Blue 75s
Utility:   TaylorMade RBZ Tour Hy ... Matrix Altus 85 hy
Irons:    4-Gw Titleist T100-S ... Kuro Kage 105 Tini s-flex
              4-pw TaylorMade P760 ... Recoil Prototype 95 r-flex
Wedges:  SM6 52* F Grind /SM7D & SM8M 58* ... Recoil 110s
Putter:  Newport 2.5 at 33"
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19 minutes ago, chisag said:

 

... I went thru the loft conundrum several years ago and went from 48-54-60* with my wedges to 46-52-58*. After getting comfortable with the new lofts I found I liked the set up better than the old set up, mostly because I found my 58* more versatile than my 60*. I hope you find the same!  

I’ve been a 5 wedge convert for a full season now (PI, 50, 52, 56, 60) and I don’t think I’ll go back:  But now I have a gap between my Driver (285) and my 3 iron (235) that makes me think eventually I’ll have to give up a wedge for a 2 iron or a 3 wood...

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45 minutes ago, chisag said:

 

...  OK, if you hit a 3 iron 235 then 98% of us don't care about your problems. In fact we hope your wedges cause a gapping issue!  🤣

Lol one of the benefits of living way above sea level, my friend!

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I'd really like to see the rest of the data and more information about how the strokes gained and other metrics are calculated. It says that "smash efficiency" is heavily weighted in determining the most forgiving club but that metric isn't included in the data nor is any forgiveness ranking provided at all other than the top of the article that tells you the "best" in each category.  

Likewise, I'm not sure how a single formula can be applied across all different driver categories that have different performance expectations. I feel like there should be 3 "strokes gained" categories. One for standard drivers(410+, Mavric, Sim Max, etc), one for low spin drivers (410 LST, Mavrik Sub Zero, etc) and another for draw biased drivers (410 SFT, Sim Max D, etc). All drivers should still be ranked in all categories, but it would provide you with a better idea of how each driver is performing it's intended task.

For example, the ping 410 SFT is called out for how well it does it's intended job, but yet scored 3rd from last in strokes gained. That seems wrong to me. My guess it that it was very consistently putting drives left of center (2nd smallest shot area in test) and seems to have been penalized for that. Likewise, the Sim Max D has the same intended purpose, has a shot area that is well over 50% larger than the ping but somehow managed to have the 3rd best strokes gained. Based on other reviews I've read of the Max D, it seems to be one of the least draw biased "draw category" drivers you can buy. That is important for someone who is fighting a slice to know and this data seems to tell imply the exact opposite of the truth. The reality is that the Max D is probably a great choice for someone who already  has a straight ball flight and is looking for good distance and consistency, and probably should be one of the last choices for someone who really needs slice correction.

Edit: Also, are the backspin numbers really backspin? Or are they total spin because some of the highest spinning drivers also seem to be either draw biased or slow swing speed clubs. If it's total spin, I would expect that number to be higher since the draw biased clubs are going to put sidespin onto the ball increasing the spin number on purpose. And in the case of low swing speed clubs, they are also deliberately adding backspin since that is what those players need to maximize their distance so again this is intentional. 

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...  OK, if you hit a 3 iron 235 then 98% of us don't care about your problems. In fact we hope your wedges cause a gapping issue!  

While I currently have the same wedge set up as [mention]Micha T [/mention] ... he lost all relatability to me after he said “hit my 3-iron”

 

 

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On 4/9/2020 at 12:40 PM, Micah T said:


I bought a Ping G410 plus 2 weeks ago after hitting it and all the other new drivers(Titleist, Taylormade, Cobra, Calloway) and it was longest, least spinny, and highest launching: so with it also being $100 less than the others I tested, I was happy to buy it. 
After 5 rounds:

Fairways hit: up to 7.7 from 5.7

Penalties from hitting driver OB: 

down to .5 per round from 2 

GIR: up 2.5% (43.5 - 39.9)

avg Old drive(GBB epic 10.5) 274 yards

avg New drive : 284 yards

 

I am thinking of buying either the 400 or 410. I have also been looking into upgrading the shaft I use. What kind of shaft did you put in the 410 and do you have a preference?

These statistical gains are staggering and very impressive!

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Just now, 5footslider107 said:

I am thinking of buying either the 400 or 410. I have also been looking into upgrading the shaft I use. What kind of shaft did you put in the 410 and do you have a preference?

These statistical gains are staggering and very impressive!

I got the even flow 6.0 stiff: there’s 2 stock shaft options, I hit them both and went with the even flow 6 because it completely eliminated my left miss/hook.

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On 4/17/2020 at 4:48 PM, Micah T said:

I got the even flow 6.0 stiff: there’s 2 stock shaft options, I hit them both and went with the even flow 6 because it completely eliminated my left miss/hook.

Recently I've been motivated to upgrade my shaft and spend the extra money on something I really like but my wallet doesn't appreciate wasted investments. Have you tried an aftermarket shaft upgrade?

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Perhaps someone can help me understand MGS's Strokes Gained results for the 2020 Most Wanted Drivers.  I would assumed the Strokes Gained calculation for Drivers would have measured each driver compared to the average within the test of 37 different drivers for length and location of each shot.  But after reviewing the SG results, only seven drivers had positive Strokes Gained results, three had average (no gain or loss of strokes) and twenty-seven negative or lost strokes to the average driver.  Those lost strokes' drivers had a cumulative negative stroke total of -0.799 while the positive strokes' gained drivers only totaled +0.102.  Shouldn't the Strokes Gained total for the entire test sum to 0.00?  In other words, the driver results were skewed to performing less than average which how can that be if you are measuring each to average?  Shouldn't the sum of all the SGs from this test universe yield zero?  Are the results this way because MGS's database has results from prior years, in which case these newer models underperformed compared to their predecessors (and what would that say about the OEMs)?  Or is there some other factors at play here?


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:ping-small:   G30 3W, 14.5*, Project X EvenFlow 6.0 S,  75G

:callaway-small:  Rogue 2 & 4 Hybrids, Aldila Synergy 60HY S

:cobra-small:  King Speedzone 5 - GW, Nippon N.S. Pro Modus3 Tour 105 S

:vokey-small: Vokey SM7 54*

:ping-small:   Glide 3.0 Eye 2, 60*

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3 hours ago, 5footslider107 said:

Recently I've been motivated to upgrade my shaft and spend the extra money on something I really like but my wallet doesn't appreciate wasted investments. Have you tried an aftermarket shaft upgrade?

For my new driver, no. And my experience is that they can cost almost as much as a new driver. I did manage to get a demo Callaway rouge stuff shaft for my old GBB epic and it was a huge improvement over the regular flex shaft I was gaming before.


 

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17 hours ago, Micah T said:

For my new driver, no. And my experience is that they can cost almost as much as a new driver. I did manage to get a demo Callaway rouge stuff shaft for my old GBB epic and it was a huge improvement over the regular flex shaft I was gaming before.

I know if I go to a professional fitting they will want to add an exotic shaft and I just don't want them to convince me to spend an extra $200 on something that might shave a stroke. 

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I know if I go to a professional fitting they will want to add an exotic shaft and I just don't want them to convince me to spend an extra $200 on something that might shave a stroke. 
Usually fitters well help find what fits best for you most companies had a decent set of no upcharge shafts. If your clear with your fitter they usually will just test those for you.
Also some may thing $200 is worth that stroke a round is all depends on your mindset.

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3 hours ago, 5footslider107 said:

I know if I go to a professional fitting they will want to add an exotic shaft and I just don't want them to convince me to spend an extra $200 on something that might shave a stroke. 

Well you should be able to compare the aftermarket shafts with the stock ones: only you can decide what you like/are willing to pay for. If 200 rpms less of backspin/ 10 yards more carry/ less side spin isn’t  worth $200 for you, you’ll have the data to make that decision.


 

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On 4/12/2020 at 4:46 PM, juspoole said:

Thanks, but was familiar with that. That's why I say "the 2020 model", however having not hit it I was only speaking to the original speedzone as this one isn't an overhaul from that model.

Heard some really good things about Srixon drivers the past few years, how has yours been treating you?

Interesting that the Z785 is a couple of seasons old now, and still places 5th in terms of strokes gained, ball speed, and total distance. It makes sense, but if I'm reading the results correctly it also appears to perform well in @jwlong410's analysis. I may be biased, but it's a totally underrated club.

It may not be relevant, but I'm wondering if any of the differences in the MGS results are statistically significant?

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Perhaps someone can help me understand MGS's Strokes Gained results for the 2020 Most Wanted Drivers.  I would assumed the Strokes Gained calculation for Drivers would have measured each driver compared to the average within the test of 37 different drivers for length and location of each shot.  But after reviewing the SG results, only seven drivers had positive Strokes Gained results, three had average (no gain or loss of strokes) and twenty-seven negative or lost strokes to the average driver.  Those lost strokes' drivers had a cumulative negative stroke total of -0.799 while the positive strokes' gained drivers only totaled +0.102.  Shouldn't the Strokes Gained total for the entire test sum to 0.00?  In other words, the driver results were skewed to performing less than average which how can that be if you are measuring each to average?  Shouldn't the sum of all the SGs from this test universe yield zero?  Are the results this way because MGS's database has results from prior years, in which case these newer models underperformed compared to their predecessors (and what would that say about the OEMs)?  Or is there some other factors at play here?

I just read the article and it states that strokes gained is calculated for each driver independently and isn’t a comparison against other drivers in the test.

 

The test results are only for the current year. They don’t mix in prior year results. There is a plan to test previous winners against this years, but due to restrictions any testing not involving staff has been postponed.

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               :titelist-small: 915H 24*  w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype
Irons:      :srixon-small: 765 6-AW with KBS Tour shafts
Wedge:  :cleveland-small: 588 54-14, 58-12
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On 4/19/2020 at 5:43 PM, Micah T said:

Well you should be able to compare the aftermarket shafts with the stock ones: only you can decide what you like/are willing to pay for. If 200 rpms less of backspin/ 10 yards more carry/ less side spin isn’t  worth $200 for you, you’ll have the data to make that decision.

true true, maybe I'll use my stimulus package as an excuse to upgrade lol

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