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31 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

The bold part is what any who is trying to optimize their setup should do and why in other posts in other threads when it’s been mentioned about giving up 5 yards to be in the fairway I have said one doesn’t have to do sacrifice one for the other. A decent fitting will have someone at or very close to optimal. 
 

Also a decent fitting wouldn’t have a person hit every shaft or even every head available from an OEM. Oems offer shafts from different companies that have different launch profiles so someone that needs higher launch it wouldn’t make sense for them to hit shafts designed for lower launch. A good fitter will see the persons ball flight use that, launch monitor numbers and the golfers feedback to narrow down selections and find the best fit. The good fitters I’ve been to and have watched fit others have people dialed into a shaft and head combo in under 30 minutes. From there either the fitting is over or they spend sometime fine tuning hosel settings to further dial in ball flight

You obviously are a BIG proponent of shaft fitting, and if it works for you great. Your probably in an area where you are blessed with fitters that are good and have done multiple fittings that you either observed or known people who were successful with getting fir with a custom shaft. You made failed to read that I'm about 2 hours away from a fitter meaning a big box store,  or even CC. By the way I've done a fitting with CC a few years ago, and lets just say, I wasn't too impressed with their recommendation, fitting process, and final outcome. I'll give you a an example. When your there at CC and you hit somewhere between 200+ balls in the span of 2-3 hours, you really aren't putting your best swing on ball number 150 as you would on ball#3. I was fit into a Padderson shaft, which of course they recommended to be spined. If you look at Padderson's recommendations, you would see that they don't recommend spinning because there is no spine on their shaft because of the way it's constructed. So who do you believe? I listened to CC, and I was out $35 for the service. Did it make a difference, IDK! So anyway, re-shafting my driver with a custom shaft, grip, spining and separate freight charge because it had to be sent to Chicago to be spined, I was out almost $300. Lesson learned! If you are in a competitive setting when you play, by all mean get the last bit help you can IF you have access to a good fitter like you have. Again, I don't have that luxury, been through the fitting routine already and seen "MY" results, we have our money games that I play in, I'm happy with my way of getting fit for a shaft considering my rrestrictions, and life is good (so far).


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24 minutes ago, TENBUCK said:

You obviously are a BIG proponent of shaft fitting, and if it works for you great. Your probably in an area where you are blessed with fitters that are good and have done multiple fittings that you either observed or known people who were successful with getting fir with a custom shaft. You made failed to read that I'm about 2 hours away from a fitter meaning a big box store,  or even CC. By the way I've done a fitting with CC a few years ago, and lets just say, I wasn't too impressed with their recommendation, fitting process, and final outcome. I'll give you a an example. When your there at CC and you hit somewhere between 200+ balls in the span of 2-3 hours, you really aren't putting your best swing on ball number 150 as you would on ball#3. I was fit into a Padderson shaft, which of course they recommended to be spined. If you look at Padderson's recommendations, you would see that they don't recommend spinning because there is no spine on their shaft because of the way it's constructed. So who do you believe? I listened to CC, and I was out $35 for the service. Did it make a difference, IDK! So anyway, re-shafting my driver with a custom shaft, grip, spining and separate freight charge because it had to be sent to Chicago to be spined, I was out almost $300. Lesson learned! If you are in a competitive setting when you play, by all mean get the last bit help you can IF you have access to a good fitter like you have. Again, I don't have that luxury, been through the fitting routine already and seen "MY" results, we have our money games that I play in, I'm happy with my way of getting fit for a shaft considering my rrestrictions, and life is good (so far).

I didn’t miss your comment about being 2 hours away. I made a general statement about golfers who want to optimize.
 

I’m not a proponent of shaft fittings but one of a full club fitting. Shafts are just a piece of that puzzle. I’ve never been to a CC and don’t have plans to because I prefer an outdoor fitting unless I had prior knowledge of the fitter and their process like Ian from TXG then I would consider an indoor fitting. Like anywhere just because the price is high for the service doesn’t guarantee a good service or experience. The fitting is as much the fitter and their understanding of not only how to read a launch monitor but seeing how a person swings the club and how that is causing the numbers on the monitor.  CC’s business model is one to try and upsell shafts plus them doing the build and their build process. Unfortunately it seems like more people come away disappointed in CC fittings and/or the process for one reason or another and it’s usually over cost or something like in your case the golfer wasn’t as educated on a product or process before hand and ended up leading in the expensive way.

 

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Wood: Titleist 917F2 with UST Mamiya Helium 5F4

Hybrid: Titleist 816H1 21 with Atmos Blue 85 S

Irons: Titleist 718 AP3 4i, 718 CB 5-6, MB 7-9 with KBS $ Taper 125

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Well it sounds like you have the prefect all around set-up for your full club fitting. Congrats. I'll still continue to do mine as I have for most of the reasons I gave you plus the fact that I like what I do and for the most part, the results. As for your comment about being uneducated on a product or process, I went to a fitter to get fit by someone who knows more than I do about stuff. It would be counter productive for me to go to a fitter and when he gave me his recommendations for me to say "tell you what, I'll look up what you want to do to the shaft ands the process involved and I'll let you know". I don't think so. I also don't think I'm the only one that has had a bad recommendation or club fitting, but, I would hesitate to call those people uneducated on the product or process. 

 

 

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:cobra-small: FW 15* King F-7 :Fuji: PRO-65

:ping-small: G400 Hybrid Alta CB-70

PXG 0211 5-SW Mitsubishi MMT Graphite

:titelist-small: AP1 52* SW TT XP-95

:taylormade-small: MG 58* TT DG Wedge

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Grips- GP MCC+4

 

 

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49 minutes ago, TENBUCK said:

Well it sounds like you have the prefect all around set-up for your full club fitting. Congrats. I'll still continue to do mine as I have for most of the reasons I gave you plus the fact that I like what I do and for the most part, the results. As for your comment about being uneducated on a product or process, I went to a fitter to get fit by someone who knows more than I do about stuff. It would be counter productive for me to go to a fitter and when he gave me his recommendations for me to say "tell you what, I'll look up what you want to do to the shaft ands the process involved and I'll let you know". I don't think so. I also don't think I'm the only one that has had a bad recommendation or club fitting, but, I would hesitate to call those people uneducated on the product or process. 

 

 

I wasn’t attacking you or your choice of using CC. I was commenting that your experience is like many others I’ve seen when it comes to CC fittings. People go into a place like CC with all kinds of golf and golf equipment knowledge from those who don’t know much to some smart ones that understand equipment and launch numbers and so on, and there are those that go there knowing that they are going to get fit into high end gear, be offered the build and the various services that come with the build and other go in not knowing anything about CCs business model. Based on the persons knowledge of CC business model and/or fitting there have been mixed reviews and the ones that have had less than stellar experiences were due to what they knew about CC business model compared to expectations and others have had bad experiences with the fitter and the fitting process and/or the final product. Regardless of the experience the person came out with a better understanding of it all and unfortunately it can be an expensive learning in experience. 

And yes your aren’t the only one who has had a bad fitting/experience to include those with some golf games and knowledge.

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Driver: Titleist 917D3 9.5 with Graphite Design MAD Pro 65g S

Wood: Titleist 917F2 with UST Mamiya Helium 5F4

Hybrid: Titleist 816H1 21 with Atmos Blue 85 S

Irons: Titleist 718 AP3 4i, 718 CB 5-6, MB 7-9 with KBS $ Taper 125

Wedges: Vokey SM7 46/50/54/60 with DG s200

Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1

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We'll chime in here - We make the widest range of shafts in the industry including those for seniors.We have iron shafts ranging from 45 gram R3 flex to 115 Tour X.

Our Vista Pro line has a range of weights and flexes that will surely impress and our fitters love the flexibility. Please have a look here: https://fujikuragolf.com/woods/vista-pro

Let us know if you have any questions! We're here to help and support.

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19 minutes ago, Fujikura Golf said:

We'll chime in here - We make the widest range of shafts in the industry including those for seniors.We have iron shafts ranging from 45 gram R3 flex to 115 Tour X.

Our Vista Pro line has a range of weights and flexes that will surely impress and our fitters love the flexibility. Please have a look here: https://fujikuragolf.com/woods/vista-pro

Let us know if you have any questions! We're here to help and support.

Thanks for chiming in.  As I stated earlier in this thread, I have a slower swing speed <90mph. I should probably play senior flex shafts, but I like the feel of heavier shafts so I play whatever manufacturer says is their regular flex.  I tried lightweight driver shafts <50g but I lose control.  I hit nearly all fairways with my Aldila NV 65-R, but lighter shafts... not so much.  

Question 1:  Is it impossible to make a 65g high launch "senior" flex driver shaft?  Or is it that OEMs don't see a need to build this shaft for seniors?

Question 2:  Maybe I missed it on your website, but is there something like an 85-90g high launch "senior" graphite shaft for .355 hosel? I would like to go to a senior flex graphite but I can't play lightweight graphite shafts.  So I am currently playing Nippon N.S. Pro Zelos 8 steel shafts in regular flex.  I've been told by a fitter these play more like a Ladies flex.


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On 4/6/2020 at 6:18 PM, Fujikura Golf said:

We'll chime in here - We make the widest range of shafts in the industry including those for seniors.We have iron shafts ranging from 45 gram R3 flex to 115 Tour X.

Our Vista Pro line has a range of weights and flexes that will surely impress and our fitters love the flexibility. Please have a look here: https://fujikuragolf.com/woods/vista-pro

Let us know if you have any questions! We're here to help and support.

I'm almost 71 years old and have tried Vista Pro shafts several times since I was 45-50 years old. The last one came with a High Heat driver that I bought. I just can't hit them. I've never gotten good results. On the other hand, your Pro line has been great for me. I first ran into them when one came in a Taylor Made M2 (2016) driver. It was regular flex and worked great. I have since switched that out for the same shaft in M flex and absolutely love it. My 3 wood (also TM M2) has a Pro 55 shaft in A flex. I love that one too. I have a High Heat 3 wood that has a Pro 53 shaft that I love and I have recently changed the shaft in my High Heat driver to a Pro 53 R2 that I have high hopes for (haven't been able to try it yet). I love your Pro line but hope never to see another Vista Pro in any clubs that I buy. My swing is smooth so I assume the Vista Pro maybe needs a more aggressive swing? 

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On 4/6/2020 at 5:27 PM, Kenny B said:

Thanks for chiming in.  As I stated earlier in this thread, I have a slower swing speed <90mph. I should probably play senior flex shafts, but I like the feel of heavier shafts so I play whatever manufacturer says is their regular flex.  I tried lightweight driver shafts <50g but I lose control.  I hit nearly all fairways with my Aldila NV 65-R, but lighter shafts... not so much.  

Question 1:  Is it impossible to make a 65g high launch "senior" flex driver shaft?  Or is it that OEMs don't see a need to build this shaft for seniors?

Question 2:  Maybe I missed it on your website, but is there something like an 85-90g high launch "senior" graphite shaft for .355 hosel? I would like to go to a senior flex graphite but I can't play lightweight graphite shafts.  So I am currently playing Nippon N.S. Pro Zelos 8 steel shafts in regular flex.  I've been told by a fitter these play more like a Ladies flex.

Hi Kenny - hope these answers help!

Q1: Without knowing your swing or numbers I will say this - Your speed is in the R2 (Senior) to R flex range but I would lean towards the R flex (if you're closer to 90mph). However, if you are wanting a 60g Senior flex we do have an option for you in the PRO 2.0 line - PRO 2.0 6-R2.

 Q2: Our iron shafts are a .370 parallel but most of our dealers can taper without an issue. That being said, our PRO and Vista PRO iron shafts are offered in one-length blanks making it possible to hard/soft step and dial in the flex you need. I would suggest that you try the PRO Iron 85i in an R-Flex.

Thanks for your question!

- AT, Fujikura Golf

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