What has bigger influence on ball flight - movable weight, hosel setting or shaft?

[tony@CIC]

Also have the Ping G410 plus. The Loft was the most noticeable difference. Driver is set on Neutral and 12’. Previous Driver was 10.5’ and approximately same ball flight.


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Rick,

I know you mentioned this in other posts - which shaft do you have on the 410? I've got the CB 65 R Flex. Also have you played around with the different loft settings or are you sticking with the original setting by the fitter?


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[tony@CIC]

Also have the Ping G410 plus. The Loft was the most noticeable difference. Driver is set on Neutral and 12’. Previous Driver was 10.5’ and approximately same ball flight.


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Rick,

I know you mentioned this in other posts - which shaft do you have on the 410? I've got the CB 65 R Flex. Also have you played around with the different loft settings or are you sticking with the original setting by the fitter?


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[Rickp]

Rick,

I know you mentioned this in other posts - which shaft do you have on the 410? I've got the CB 65 R Flex. Also have you played around with the different loft settings or are you sticking with the original setting by the fitter?


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I have the stock Alta CB Senior Flex. I was alternating back & forth between the Regular & Senior Flex but went w Senior. I figured I wasn’t going to get younger or faster any time soon. Was good choice for me.
I did play around with all the settings. I figure there’s a big difference indoors and out in real world. After a lot of playing around I ended up w settings Fitter recommended. I thought that was really interesting.
Senior Flex, 12’ & neutral.
I tried draw & fade settings but didn’t work for me.


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[RI_Redneck]

On 4/3/2020 at 1:21 PM, Calvo90 said:

Thanks everyone for their response.

I noticed the same as Camille Bissarro when lofting down my driver. Strikes were slightly higher on the face and face was more open (judging from seeing bigger fades). I probably changed my delivery too when i saw less loft. All this factors led to a higher delivered loft and actually higher ball flight. 

In light of new information I think driver head is due for a change. I only wish I would have a competent and well equipped fitter closer than 800km... insert loud sigh...

Do you guys think MGS True golf fit would be of any help?

Having used adjustable drivers since they came out and participated in countless discussions with others, with greater knowledge than mine of this topic, I have come to understand how these adjustments affect golfers.

With movable weights, it has been published that the amount of weight must be in excess of 20g to move the actual CoG of the cluhead a significant amount. That means 20g TAKEN from one extreme location and moved to the opposite extreme location, not just simply adding 20g somewhere. Tests have shown that heel-toe movement, which should affect the closure rate of the face, makes less difference than face back movement, which can influence backspin and launch angle. We have seen this proven in several reviews of clubs over the last few years.

Hosel adjustments, depending on the specific adapter, CAN affect Loft, Lie and Face Angle. The adapters change the angular relationship between the shaft and the clubhead, exactly like bending the hosel does. Early on, there were many discussions on whether these adjustments actually caused changes in loft OR Face angle, and it depended on the method used to measure the club. Some loft measuring practices suggest that wood heads be allowed to sole naturally, which will indicate a Face Angle change and NO measured Loft change.  Others suggest the face be squared, which will indicate a Loft change. The Lie will change the same amount as the Loft with the U or D markings indicating a more upright lie and the F markings indicating a flatter lie. Actual Lie angle is typically indicated in the club specs on the manufacturer's website.

With that being said, HOW these adjustments affect a golfer is dependent on the golfer themselves! With the Loft/Face Angle argument, it depends on whether the golfer delivers the face at the adjusted Face Angle OR physically squares it (as mentioned a few posts back). If the golfer allows the Face Angle change to stay in place when they swing the club, then left/right curvature will usually be changed. These golfers have been taught (or taught themselves) to allow the club to "sole out" or come to rest in a natural resting position when they place it on the ground to take their grip. These are the folks who are affected in some way when the club sits Open or Closed and may have issues controlling ball flight because of it.

If the golfer squares the face, physically overriding the FA change, then the loft change will come into play. These golfers (which include myself) physically aim the clubface when taking their grip, much like most golfers do with their irons. Any measured Face Angle change is overridden by us holding the club in the position we choose. Personally, I don't take notice of how a Driver sits when deciding if I want to try it or not.

BT

Edited April 10, 2020 by RI_Redneck