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Not sure how to accomplish the abolishment of my pet-peeve and don't know that it would fall under a rules change or just a course set-up change that I would like to see happen.  I cannot stand in-course out of bounds.  I get it's often centered around safety and playability but those can be accomplished by planting a few trees in most cases. 

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32 minutes ago, dlow206 said:

So maybe its just an issue that pertains to me. I just joined a club recently and I would like to participate in the more casual tournaments that they host. I currently do not have a handicap because I primarily play rounds by myself, usually after work. I occasionally play rounds with others, but not that often. None of my friends that live in my area play golf, so mainly play with others on the occasion I'm paired up with someone.

I'm sure there are lots of others who are in the same boat, its not just you.  On the plus side, the new WHS gets you an official handicap as soon as you play 3 rounds (or 6 9-holers, or some combination that totals 54 holes).  I suggest that you play in as many of the casual tournaments as you can, starting once you get that official handicap.  You'll end up meeting other members, making friends, and finding guys who can join you for your after-work rounds of golf.


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Move the ball out of a divot in the fairway. I shouldn't be penalized because some jackwagon ripped the place up before I got there.

Maybe some common sense Ground-under-repair rules in general? Yesterday I hit a shot in the rough and the whole area was ripped up with 6-inch deep tractor (not cart) tractor marks. Because the course didn't rope it off or put a white line down, it's not officially GUR. By USGA I gotta hit it out of that ditch. White line or no, it's GUR.

I'd like to see the USGA come to a normal public course and see what golf is like when conditions aren't always pristine. I feel like they'd make lots of changes if they took into account that not everywhere is a Shinnecock.

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25 minutes ago, Tsmithjr9 said:

Move the ball out of a divot in the fairway. I shouldn't be penalized because some jackwagon ripped the place up before I got there.

Maybe some common sense Ground-under-repair rules in general? Yesterday I hit a shot in the rough and the whole area was ripped up with 6-inch deep tractor (not cart) tractor marks. Because the course didn't rope it off or put a white line down, it's not officially GUR. By USGA I gotta hit it out of that ditch. White line or no, it's GUR.

I'd like to see the USGA come to a normal public course and see what golf is like when conditions aren't always pristine. I feel like they'd make lots of changes if they took into account that not everywhere is a Shinnecock.

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One of the issues with divot holes and other GUR-like concerns is the difficulty in writing an effective and enforceable definition.  What exactly is a divot hole, and when has it grown in enough that it no longer qualifies for relief?  Mower tires have covered every inch of any fairway over time, and sometimes leave very minor impressions, sometimes leave significant ruts.  How do you define the difference?  Go ahead and give it a try yourself, see if you can come up with some workable rules and definitions.

Another option is to think of yourselves as "The Committee" for casual play.  If you all agree that the rut you were in deserved to be marked as GUR, go ahead and take relief.

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14 hours ago, dru_ said:

Sadly, the voices of the gamblers are always the loudest in handicap committee meetings, and as we all know, squeaky wheels and grease....

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4 hours ago, DaveP043 said:

 

Let's quote the Purpose of the Handicap System:

Handicaps are intended to be used when playing or competing with others.  When you're playing by yourself, your handicap really doesn't matter.  Its pretty logical that the data used to compute a handicap should also consist of rounds played with or competing with others.  If your scores are the same, whether playing by yourself or playing with others, why does it matter?  And if you're consistently better one way than the other, shouldn't the scores that count for handicap calculation be the ones that are most similar to the conditions when your handicap actually matters?

I'm not worried about this one.  The elimination of "solo rounds" for handicap was the first small step towards the WHS, towards making our procedures similar to the entire rest of the world.  If there are future changes (I believe there will be), those of us in the US will see more restrictions in types of scores to be posted, not loosened restrictions.

I understand why they are doing it. I have always used the handicap system differently. I don’t play in handicapped events. I use it solely for tracking my level of play. 

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16 minutes ago, joen said:

I understand why they are doing it. I have always used the handicap system differently. I don’t play in handicapped events. I use it solely for tracking my level of play. 

If you never use your handicap for any kind of competition, do you actually keep an official handicap?  You can keep your scores for your own purposes without paying anything.


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I do have an official handicap at the club because my scores get turned in, and I also keep track of my scores separately now.   Just one more thing to do that was all inclusive before.  I keep my handicap because I play in tournaments where there is an upper ceiling on the handicap number allowed to play. I get it. They want to eliminate vanity handicappers getting into tournaments they shouldn’t be in.  They also want to get rid of the guy who shoots 71 in a tournament while posting 85s in rounds played alone. Peer review.   Doesn’t mean I have to be happy about it. Lol 😝

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Make the foot wedge legal???? 🤣    But on a more serious note, definitely allowing to remove ball from a divot in the fairway. Seems unfair to punish a good drive in the fairway. 

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One of the issues with divot holes and other GUR-like concerns is the difficulty in writing an effective and enforceable definition.  What exactly is a divot hole, and when has it grown in enough that it no longer qualifies for relief?  Mower tires have covered every inch of any fairway over time, and sometimes leave very minor impressions, sometimes leave significant ruts.  How do you define the difference?  Go ahead and give it a try yourself, see if you can come up with some workable rules and definitions.
Another option is to think of yourselves as "The Committee" for casual play.  If you all agree that the rut you were in deserved to be marked as GUR, go ahead and take relief.
Good point that it's difficult to put in writing, and I understand that you can't cover every scenario. The committee approach is exactly how we've handled things. I've seen it done that way in local amateurs too.

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Make the foot wedge legal????     But on a more serious note, definitely allowing to remove ball from a divot in the fairway. Seems unfair to punish a good drive in the fairway. 
That was my point. Shouldn't be punished for hitting the ball in the right place.

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2 minutes ago, Tsmithjr9 said:

That was my point. Shouldn't be punished for hitting the ball in the right place.

I just don't see this as "punishment".  You're still rewarded with the best line forward, generally free of hindrances like trees and tall rough.  By the "punishment" idea, it would be unfair to be on the downhill side of a hump in the fairway, or on a bit of a dry semi-bare patch, or some other non-ideal spot.


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2 hours ago, Tsmithjr9 said:

Move the ball out of a divot in the fairway. I shouldn't be penalized because some jackwagon ripped the place up before I got there.

Maybe some common sense Ground-under-repair rules in general? Yesterday I hit a shot in the rough and the whole area was ripped up with 6-inch deep tractor (not cart) tractor marks. Because the course didn't rope it off or put a white line down, it's not officially GUR. By USGA I gotta hit it out of that ditch. White line or no, it's GUR.

I'd like to see the USGA come to a normal public course and see what golf is like when conditions aren't always pristine. I feel like they'd make lots of changes if they took into account that not everywhere is a Shinnecock.

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You should have to place your ball back at the tree or any object you hit and got a favorable bounce on. If a good shot with a bad break should be rewarded then a a bad shot with a good break should be penalized by placing the ball back in the spot where the good break occurred right


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38 minutes ago, DaveP043 said:

I just don't see this as "punishment".  You're still rewarded with the best line forward, generally free of hindrances like trees and tall rough.  By the "punishment" idea, it would be unfair to be on the downhill side of a hump in the fairway, or on a bit of a dry semi-bare patch, or some other non-ideal spot.

I see what you are saying but  the way i see it is a divot in the fairway is a "man-made" obstacle. A downhill side of a hump in the fairway and semi-bare patch are natural things, things that come naturally or designed in the architecture of the course in the fairway i would not consider being punishment or unfair. That is where i agree with a divot in the fairway and not being able to remove the ball from it is unfair/punishment.

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20 hours ago, Briton said:

Just a random topic but what are some rules and things you think should be changed?

 

for example: not being able to remove your ball from a divot in the fairway.

While I agree you should not be penalized for landing in the fairway, the issue becomes when is a divot not a divot? Purely a judgement call and so is really the entire rules of golf wherein the player is responsible for administering the rules. Really boils down to the player deciding if the divot is healed or still a divot.


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11 minutes ago, Titleist87 said:

While I agree you should not be penalized for landing in the fairway, the issue becomes when is a divot not a divot? Purely a judgement call and so is really the entire rules of golf wherein the player is responsible for administering the rules. Really boils down to the player deciding if the divot is healed or still a divot.

Ya that is the toughest issue is what qualifies. If im playing and i end up in a divot in the fairway i  am not mad about it if it has sand fill in it or if someone tried to repair it with their divot pelt and stepped on it to flatten it down.


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Explain this "rules" concept to me.

Nobody in my circles seems to know much about them.

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I don't mind hitting out of a divot in the fairway, fixed or not.  At least "normal" divots -- not trenches some people leave behind.

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I don't mind hitting out of a divot in the fairway, fixed or not.  At least "normal" divots -- not trenches some people leave behind.
That's what I'm talking about.

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