Those that prefer full shaft offset...

[Titleist87]

What is your reasoning to use a plumber's neck vs. a double bend or a flow neck wherein each gives you the full shaft offset. Is it purely cosmetic for you?

 

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[Jmikecpa]

What is your reasoning to use a plumber's neck vs. a double bend or a flow neck wherein each gives you the full shaft offset. Is it purely cosmetic for you?
 
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Each one affects the toe hang of a putter. I have the same putter head with a flow neck, plumbers neck and double bend shaft and all three have different to hangs. Double bend is generally the closest to face balanced, plumbers neck in the middle and flow neck has the mast toe hang.


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[Jmikecpa]

Hope this helps. All three putters have a full shaft offset. The tow Betti’s are the exact same head shape with the black one in a short slant neck and the chrome in a plumbers neck. I grabbed a Scotty that has a double bend shaft for illustrative purposes.


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[Jmikecpa]

Maybe a better comparison. Two Scotty Laguna’s. The IBBF has a plumbers neck and the other a flow neck. Same offset in both.


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[cnosil]

3 hours ago, Jmikecpa said:

Each one affects the toe hang of a putter. I have the same putter head with a flow neck, plumbers neck and double bend shaft and all three have different to hangs. Double bend is generally the closest to face balanced, plumbers neck in the middle and flow neck has the mast toe hang.

 

Not really.....you can make a plumbers neck be face balanced and you can also have it with lots of toe hang by simply adjusting the length of the hosel.  You can also make a double bend have some toe hang by doing the same thing.     Toe hang is related to CoG and where the shaft intersects the head, closer to the center more face balance,  closer to the heel more toe hang.    The type of hosel is probably more related to weight distribution, general looks, and that really short plumbers necks are probably pretty odd to find.   Double bends are a bit unique so they don't play into this discussion as much.  

[Jmikecpa]

Not really.....you can make a plumbers neck be face balanced and you can also have it with lots of toe hang by simply adjusting the length of the hosel.  You can also make a double bend have some toe hang by doing the same thing.     Toe hang is related to CoG and where the shaft intersects the head, closer to the center more face balance,  closer to the heel more toe hang.    The type of hosel is probably more related to weight distribution, general looks, and that really short plumbers necks are probably pretty odd to find.   Double bends are a bit unique so they don't play into this discussion as much.  

All true but in practicality it is done by most OEMs for flow and toe hang. I could post pictures of plumbers neck putters I have from face balanced to a lot of toe hang, heck I had a putter built last year that was face balanced with a plumbers neck that is long. Look at the TM Spider. Comes in a short slant neck, plumbers neck, and double bend all done to suit different strokes with the same head.


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[bellairemi]

4 hours ago, Titleist87 said:

 

What is your reasoning to use a plumber's neck vs. a double bend or a flow neck wherein each gives you the full shaft offset. Is it purely cosmetic for you?

 

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For me it is purely about aiming - I aim a plumbers neck full offset blade notably better than any other combination.  

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[cnosil]

13 minutes ago, Jmikecpa said:

All true but in practicality it is done by most OEMs for flow and toe hang. I could post pictures of plumbers neck putters I have from face balanced to a lot of toe hang, heck I had a putter built last year that was face balanced with a plumbers neck that is long. Look at the TM Spider. Comes in a short slant neck, plumbers neck, and double bend all done to suit different strokes with the same head.
 

I agree, but wanted to clarify for the OP that what you described isn't always the case.   Within the big OEMs yes,  but with the boutique putter makers,  it enables them to better fine tune the putter to the players wants and needs. 

[Jmikecpa]

I agree, but wanted to clarify for the OP that what you described isn't always the case.   Within the big OEMs yes,  but with the boutique putter makers,  it enables them to better fine tune the putter to the players wants and needs. 

That is correct and about the only thing I don’t own is a face balanced flow neck. Off to eBay I go!


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[RobotDoctor]

My putter has a full shaft offset with a welded "long pipe" neck.  This is, I suppose, a double bend.  Toe hang is 4:30-ish.  The shaft offset allows be to have a slight forward press without shutting down the face, at least that's what my brain thinks.  The flow is very pleasing to my eye, very flowing and not harsh like the plumber's neck.  I like flow, not abrupt lines.  This putter serves this purpose well and the results have been outstanding.

 

[Titleist87]

So my current putter has a toe hang of around 3:30-4:00; never checked before. I do have a slight arc in my putting stroke and this putter seems to work well for me.

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[cnosil]

My putter has a full shaft offset with a welded "long pipe" neck.  This is, I suppose, a double bend.  Toe hang is 4:30-ish.  The shaft offset allows be to have a slight forward press without shutting down the face, at least that's what my brain thinks.  The flow is very pleasing to my eye, very flowing and not harsh like the plumber's neck.  I like flow, not abrupt lines.  This putter serves this purpose well and the results have been outstanding.
 

Nice putter! I probably wouldn’t classify as double bend but a long flow neck; Byron used the term pipe neck. Notice the bend near the top; that helps influence where the shaft would intersect the head. If you drew a straight line down the center is the shaft and continued it to the head, you would see it intersects close to the middle. Also with the hosel being solid metal instead of a true double bend shaft you have put more weight toward the heel.

Just as another note, bending the lie angle of a putter can have a small influence on the toe hang. Bend your putter flat and you move that intersection point I mentioned closer to the center and reduce toe hang. So depending on how flat or upright you bend a putter you will change how it opens and closes during the stroke.

[cnosil]

So mu current putter has a toe hang of around 3:30-4:00; never checked before. I do have a slight arc in my putting stroke and this putter seems to work well for me.

People like to use toe hang as a gauge for fit as it has a loose correlation to rotation. Rotation is the bigger consideration. If I had two essentially identical putters with the same toe hang but one head was 340 grams and one was 370 grams, they would perform differently.

Lots of details, but the main thing is that the putter works for your stroke.

[Joey Lyle]

They say toe hang putters suits people with strong arcing ( or inside path ) strokes best . I disagree, I have a strong inside path or arc. On the forward stoke my face shuts down quite a bit. Face balanced putter resist rotating much more on the forward stroke. I’m a puller and I’m much more accurate with a face balanced putter.

[DStar]

On a couple I've made I had different length hosels, both plumbers neck, and have 2 different toe hangs. Longer hosel definitely feels better to putt with and is more consistent too.