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A few pictures of the Scratch Golf Tour Department are attached to my article BTW: http://www.intothegrain.com/scratch-golf-tour-department-behind-the-scenes/

 

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Funny I just talked with Ari again and I already sent off a copy of this to Bill at Miura so to get a response and to let him know whats being printed about Mr. Miura. It's crazy that someone would tr

Funny I had to look that one up myself.... and I'm still not sure why he brought up the Dashanzi International Art Festival?

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Roughly how long did the wedge fitting take? I'm really interested in getting this done.

 

Probably took about an hour, maybe a bit less. He started by having me hit some half wedges, and observing the sound (for solid contact) and divot size and shape to get an idea of which grind would be right. Then I tried a few different clubs and grinds to get a feel for how each performs. Moving on to full swings, punches and and finally to the chipping green, where I tried hitting basic chips, low, spinning shots and high soft shots. The lies were tight and finding the right grind was pretty easy. We experimented with a few different ones for comparison before settling on the SLT grind in a 58 degree and the DOG grind in a 53.

 

It's all part of the custom wedge order process, and fitting doesn't cost extra so log as you can make it to Chattanooga or one of their demo days. Basically, once you have the wedge type and grind you like, they will finish it how you want, with polished chrome, satin, triple black and a few other options. Then they will stamp it with your initials or whatever, pant fill if desired, shaft it to your specs and voila - A truly custom wedge.

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Probably took about an hour, maybe a bit less. He started by having me hit some half wedges, and observing the sound (for solid contact) and divot size and shape to get an idea of which grind would be right. Then I tried a few different clubs and grinds to get a feel for how each performs. Moving on to full swings, punches and and finally to the chipping green, where I tried hitting basic chips, low, spinning shots and high soft shots. The lies were tight and finding the right grind was pretty easy. We experimented with a few different ones for comparison before settling on the SLT grind in a 58 degree and the DOG grind in a 53.

 

It's all part of the custom wedge order process, and fitting doesn't cost extra so log as you can make it to Chattanooga or one of their demo days. Basically, once you have the wedge type and grind you like, they will finish it how you want, with polished chrome, satin, triple black and a few other options. Then they will stamp it with your initials or whatever, pant fill if desired, shaft it to your specs and voila - A truly custom wedge.

 

I never thought Id ever hear myself say this, but I really want to take a trip to Chattanooga.

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I never thought Id ever hear myself say this, but I really want to take a trip to Chattanooga.

 

The course there looks nice too. It's called The Black Creek Club. They have a Nationwide event there every year. The main reason they chose Chattanooga for the office was to be close to the players and mini-tours. That is where they do their "R & D", and connect with the players in person. Several mini tours like the Hooters, Nationwide (not really a mini tour any more), eGolf and a few others play events in the region, giving them close access to the players and vice versa. Orlando or another big city was never really an option for them.

 

If you are a serious golfer, or a golfer that is serious about equipment, it's worth a trip if you are in the area. If you are willing to Pay upwards of $350 for a custom hand ground wedge, you owe it to yourself to get a wedge that works for you, not what works for some touring pro.

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Wedge: Cleveland 588 Custom 52 w/ DG Spinner Wedge+

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If you are willing to Pay upwards of $350 for a custom hand ground wedge, you owe it to yourself to get a wedge that works for you, not what works for some touring pro.

 

I'm serious about equipment John, but $350 for a wedge (hand ground or not) is pretty steep. Then again, with Don White doing the grinding, they can probably charge that and be somewhat justified. A lot of guys familiar with Don's work would pay that much and more for a club that he's worked on.

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I'm serious about equipment John, but $350 for a wedge (hand ground or not) is pretty steep. Then again, with Don White doing the grinding, they can probably charge that and be somewhat justified. A lot of guys familiar with Don's work would pay that much and more for a club that he's worked on.

 

Yeah, and I was told the $350 price is for a wedge that is indeed hand ground by Mr. White. Not sure if the price goes down for a Jeff McCoy wedge, but he's certainly no slouch and got them where they are today...

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Wedge: Cleveland 588 Custom 52 w/ DG Spinner Wedge+

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I'm serious about equipment John, but $350 for a wedge (hand ground or not) is pretty steep. Then again, with Don White doing the grinding, they can probably charge that and be somewhat justified. A lot of guys familiar with Don's work would pay that much and more for a club that he's worked on.

 

5th place in the contest is a hand ground wedge. Stop posting right now and maybe me and Nic can pass you. :lol:

 

Edit: I already am still a little ahead of you, but I don't know if I can keep up your torrid pace today.

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5th place in the contest is a hand ground wedge. Stop posting right now and maybe me and Nic can pass you. :lol:

 

Edit: I already am still a little ahead of you, but I don't know if I can keep up your torrid pace today.

 

I'm sure you'll wear me down. I'm old.

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Yeah, and I was told the $350 price is for a wedge that is indeed hand ground by Mr. White. Not sure if the price goes down for a Jeff McCoy wedge, but he's certainly no slouch and got them where they are today...

 

No, Jeff is an artist too and he's one of the best in the business. But Don is a legend because of his association with Nicklaus and Norman. People will pay a premium for that.

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I never thought Id ever hear myself say this, but I really want to take a trip to Chattanooga.

 

Hey....Chattanooga is a really nice little town. Don't knock it, till you've tried it. :lol:

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Yes it matters if the club in question is at a premium price. Its not good enough to say if it works does it matter.

 

I agree with the previous poster, the Muira forging issue is a bigger thing for me. I get the 'when is 1018 not really 1018' argument, and its a bit boring to be frank, its a technical point, US versus China versus Japan blah blah, blends and almost the same as etc etc. The marketing boys have had some fun with it and now they have been called out, I'm sure it won't really do any harm to them above and beyond people like me having this sour taste in the mouths for a while, then it will be forgotten. But the Muira forging or not forging will rumble on I suspect.

 

paying a premium price for a misrepresented item (even if it works) doesn't sound right to me... its like buying a lamborghini with a hyundai engine (when they misrepresented to you that its a 5.5 lamborghini engine) I'll be damm piss. But from some of threads i read here, you guys would reckon it's money well spent despite the misrepresentation.

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paying a premium price for a misrepresented item (even if it works) doesn't sound right to me... its like buying a lamborghini with a hyundai engine (when they misrepresented to you that its a 5.5 lamborghini engine) I'll be damm piss. But from some of threads i read here, you guys would reckon it's money well spent despite the misrepresentation.

 

Would you care to elaborate on Scratch's misrepresentation. Sounds like you have some bad info.... you might want to read this thread from beginning to end. I did a bunch of research and talked to all those involved. the only person who wouldn't talk directly was the accuser. I posted on his site to get to the bottom of this and when my thread was the main discussion back when TSG brought up the lies, I went right to ARI Techner from Scratch and Bill Holowaty from Miura all willing to answer any and all question I had. I can't say the same for Chris @ TSG. I guess you can believe who you like but they both submitted the irons to be independently tested and they came back with results that supported Scratch Golf's claim to materials being used. Other then that what other misrepresentation are you referring too?

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I don't have any bad info on Scratch apart from what i've read on the net. Now I don't use Scratch (though i've tried my friend's EZ-1 before) and I certainly don't buy things from TSG as i can get it in Korea anyway :P. I'm just a bystander reading both TSG's report and Scratch's report and the threads here. It makes me wonder why until now Scratch has not taken legal action against TSG if TSG's report was untrue and defamed Scratch. Thus, Inferences can be easily drawn against scratch that TSG's report, on the balance of probability is true.

After taking into account the above, i based on TSG's report that the wedges were 1010 steel instead of 1018 steel as well as their irons which are 1025 steel and not 1018 steel (that is where i am commenting from actually). I am in the business of selling jewelery. It is very important i tell my clients what's the correct and accurate content of gold in each and every piece of jewellery either 14k gold or 18k gold (rarely we find 24k gold, as its too soft to make a stable shaped jewelery). If i'm selling a gold ring which the content of gold is only 14k but i represented to my client its 18k, it is a clear misrepresentation, notwithstanding that the design is beautiful,attractive and unique (and in the present case, the wedges work well and have good feel, and i see some of the posts here stating that they don't care less about the contents of the metal, as long as it works). There are lots of ways of doing business, and in Korea here we talk about honour and truthfulness when doing business( so is in Japan). :)

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I don't have any bad info on Scratch apart from what i've read on the net. Now I don't use Scratch (though i've tried my friend's EZ-1 before) and I certainly don't buy things from TSG as i can get it in Korea anyway :P. I'm just a bystander reading both TSG's report and Scratch's report and the threads here. It makes me wonder why until now Scratch has not taken legal action against TSG if TSG's report was untrue and defamed Scratch. Thus, Inferences can be easily drawn against scratch that TSG's report, on the balance of probability is true.

After taking into account the above, i based on TSG's report that the wedges were 1010 steel instead of 1018 steel as well as their irons which are 1025 steel and not 1018 steel (that is where i am commenting from actually). I am in the business of selling jewelery. It is very important i tell my clients what's the correct and accurate content of gold in each and every piece of jewellery either 14k gold or 18k gold (rarely we find 24k gold, as its too soft to make a stable shaped jewelery). If i'm selling a gold ring which the content of gold is only 14k but i represented to my client its 18k, it is a clear misrepresentation, notwithstanding that the design is beautiful,attractive and unique (and in the present case, the wedges work well and have good feel, and i see some of the posts here stating that they don't care less about the contents of the metal, as long as it works). There are lots of ways of doing business, and in Korea here we talk about honour and truthfulness when doing business( so is in Japan). :)

 

Well if you did see both reports then you would have also seen that Scratch's and TSG's results also have variances that you could say fall withing the boundaries of Scratch not misrepresenting their product, it's just how you want to spin it.I doubt any metallurgy test comes out spot on 1018? As far as lawsuits who's to say that hasn't happened. Or maybe Scratch's sales and Miura's sales are good enough that they are not worried about what amounts to a blogger? All I can tell you is that Bill from Miura said to me in one of our email conversations that in fact they may bring suit against TSG. all I know is Scratch is not in the same market as is someone like Callaway who brought suit again Titleist about the whole ball fiasco and won... only to have it overturned after an appeal from Titleist. I personally thought it pretty lame for Cally to do what they did when in fact the patents they claimed Titleist stole where patents that in fact where not being used (possible expired) by anyone ( any ball manufacturer could have done the same blended different patents together but they didn't Titleist did) and where available for all companies to use, but only after many years of success with the ProV1 did Callaway decide after they purchased some old patents that were actually Spalding's original patents decide they could beat Titleist in ball sales by bringing claim against them. Why not just make a better ball? Sorry for getting off track but it was basically the same thing. Callaway had sour grapes because they couldn't beat Titleist in ball design. Well Ari set it straight that the reason this guy from TSG brought all this up was the fact that he use to buy Scratch's irons from Ari then resell and mark them up to make an absurd amount of profit and only after Ari told him he would cut him off with product because of a price issue did TSG write this article. I really don't believe it was to enlighten the public, but more of a personal vendetta again Ari. who knows maybe I'm just gullible? LOL. I'm glad to see that you have good business practices....every country should but we have theives in every country who will sell anything to make a buck!

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Looks like your Miuras are a "forgery" after all. Ha

...any of these for real?

 

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Just read the Scratch post on the Blog. here's the link:  http://www.mygolfspy.com/scratch-golf-10-years-later

 

Brought back memories of a story I found years ago and tried to shed some light on. If any of you guys or gals want to read more about Ari and Scratch Golf go back to page 1. This was a hot topic once upon a time when the site was still quite young! Thanks for posting the New Scratch article on the blog, great reading! I believe this NEW Scratch blog article was written by an old friend (Spy Zinger) since looks like he's responded to all the post made on the MGS blog. Just didn't see anywhere that stated who wrote the article. None the less it's a great piece.

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TM R7 17.5 HFS w/ Tour AD 7S Stiff 42"

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Thanks Tim! I did ask Ari about this and Tour Spec in the interview but thought I would just let it rest. Just the same about the BSG relationship back in the day. Remember when Scratch Golf talk was absolutely prohibited? I just didn't know if folks were around then or would for interest in the content.

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Thanks Tim! I did ask Ari about this and Tour Spec in the interview but thought I would just let it rest. Just the same about the BSG relationship back in the day. Remember when Scratch Golf talk was absolutely prohibited? I just didn't know if folks were around then or would for interest in the content.

Yes, things  back at BSG were much different then they are now. Either you were a BSG'r or a WRX'r it was total BS that you couldn't bring stories or posts from one site to another to just help spread the word of product or ideas others had in this great game of golf. The former owner basically banned you if you mentioned anything positive about another golf forum. It was like he was trying to control the internet... LOL. You really couldn't have a honest opinion of your own if it didn't coincide with the powers to be @ BSG, well that's all changed now. What I notice now it seems like most of these sites are all becoming the same way trying to always control content. Back to Scratch before I say too much... LOL I'm just glad to see Scratch having some success in such a tough business to make it especially when your a small company.  Heck just look at how many BIG Named Golf companies have vanished over the last 10 years! I really enjoyed reading your Scratch piece and it brought back good memories for me when I felt like I was much more a part of this site. Right when this site was starting to gain momentum i was having all types of personal issues with my family and I just couldn't put the time into the site like I did when the site started. Hope I can start getting more involved again. I like most of what this site tries to do and stands for...

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Tour Issued TM M2 10.5 w/ Mitsubishi Tensi CK Pro Blue 60S

Tour Issued TM M2 15* w/ GD Tour AD 7S 43"

TM R7 17.5 HFS w/ Tour AD 7S Stiff 42"

Cobra S3 Pro's 4-pw w/ Aldila RIP Tours SLT 115 Reg. 5i 38.5"

Titleist Vokey Proto's

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