Albatrass Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 (edited) If teeing up ball and it goes in hole but due to liner in hole does not fall into hole should it be counted as a hole in one? I say no but most in our neighborhood are counting it. We have a hole in one plaque that they have had thier names added. I live in the The Villages FL. and the inserts are approx. 1 inch above the lip of the cup Edited April 18, 2020 by Albatrass STUDque 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBalocik Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 Might be more creditable for someone who's previously hit an Ace. For a first timer, yeah you MAY have hit the greatest shot of your life but the cup situation is a fluke right now and that shot could have been also. In my opinion. Great topic and question. Brian A, Albatrass and STUDque 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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cnosil Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 18 minutes ago, Albatrass said: If teeing up ball and it goes in hole but due to liner in hole does not fall into hole should it be counted as a hole in one? I say no but most in our neighborhood are counting it. We have a hole in one plaque that they have had thier names added. Depends on how the course is doing the liner. Pool noodles or upside down cups yes; raised liners no. Just like being able to hit the ball really hard into a raise liner and counting it as holed when the ball never would have fallen into a normally placed hole. Fortunately for me none of my local courses are doing raised liners. silver & black and Albatrass 1 1 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: TM-180 Testing: Backups: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvo90 Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 (edited) I think this discussion belongs to the rules discussion subsection but regardless, I agree with @cnosil Edited April 18, 2020 by Calvo90 Albatrass and STUDque 2 Quote G425 MAX, 10,5°, Fujikura Ventus Blue 60S Stealth Plus 10,5°, Fujikura Pro 2.0 TS, 60S The Original One Mini Driver, 13,5°, Fujikura Ventus Red 70S G425 MAX 5 wood, 7 wood, Tensei AV Orange 75R Z U65 4, Z565 5-6, Z765 7-8 , Z965 9-PW, Project X 5.5, Glide 4.0, 52°, Z-115, 58°, Z-115 ER5, 34'', Gravity Grip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrass Posted April 18, 2020 Author Share Posted April 18, 2020 3 hours ago, cnosil said: Depends on how the course is doing the liner. Pool noodles or upside down cups yes; raised liners no. Just like being able to hit the ball really hard into a raise liner and counting it as holed when the ball never would have fallen into a normally placed hole. Fortunately for me none of my local courses are doing raised liners. I live at The Villages in FL. The courses are using inserts that are approx. 1 inch above the level of the cup. STUDque 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Middler Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 It can't be just anything that touches the raised cup. If it bounces more than X feet away, or more than Y degrees off center, it's not a hole in one? Where X = 3 feet and Y = 30° as a strawman. I'd think if it bounces 6 feet away and/or ends up 90° from center it wouldn't have dropped. Our cups are about 1" deep versus raised, but I'm not worried about missing out on a HIO either way. Must be a lot of pros where the OP plays for that to be an issue. Albatrass 1 Quote Titleist TSR2 11° HZRDUS Red CB 50 6.0 w Lamkin UTx Midsize Titleist TSR2 16.5º HZRDUS Red 60 CB 6.0 & TSR2 21º HZRDUS Black 4G 70 6.0 w Lamkin UTx Midsize Mizuno JPX923 HMP 4-GW, T22 54.12WS, T22 58.04DC w Lamkin ST+2 Hybrid Midsize Evnroll EV5.3 Maxfli Tour & ProV1 Ping Pioneer - MGI Zip Navigator AT Payntr X 002 LE, Ecco Biom C4, FJ DryJoys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiscipleofPenick Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 I believe when USGA came out about posting scores etc. during this time they said it counts. Take Dead Aim Albatrass 1 Quote Take Dead Aim Driver: PXG 0211 10.5* Fairway: Titleist 917 F3 15* Hybrid: Adams Idea Pro Boxer Gold 18* Irons: MacGregor MT-86 Pro Wedges: Vokey 50/54/58 Putter: SeeMore X2 Costa del Mar Ball: Srixon Z-Star Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrass Posted April 18, 2020 Author Share Posted April 18, 2020 I have requested clarification from the USGA but have not heard back yet. STUDque 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tap In Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 I say no, unless there is someone by the cup and witnesses the miracle. I know that my eyesight is not good enough to say if it hit the cup or just got close to it. If you want to claim it in your group or friends, the more power to you, but it shouldn’t go on the plaque unless it drops or was seen up close.Sent from my iPad using MyGolfSpy Albatrass 1 Quote WITB: 0811 Prototype Driver: (10.5 / s-flex) Sub 70 Pro Tour Fairway 3W (15 / s-flex) 0341 Prototype, 5W (18, s-flex) 0311, 4-PW, (+1/2" / +2 up) ProjX LZ 6.0 0311 wedges, 52, 56, 60 degree Impact No.3, Putter 35" Dexterity: Right-handed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrass Posted April 19, 2020 Author Share Posted April 19, 2020 (edited) On 4/18/2020 at 4:30 PM, Tsmithjr9 said: I believe when USGA came out about posting scores etc. during this time they said it counts. If it is the same article that I saw I believe it only applies to the posting of a score and or handicap purposes not weather it is an official Hole in One.. Edited April 19, 2020 by Albatrass STUDque 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cciciora13 Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 Wow this is a great question. I can see both sides. Unless you definitively know that it hit the cup I say know. Comes back to the integrity part of the game which was mentioned above. It is up to the individual golfer to count it or not. I probably would not but if some one does to each their own. Interested to see what the USGA says. Albatrass 1 Quote In my bag: Driver: Ben Hogan GS53 10.5* Stiff Mitsubishi tensei blue Stiff 3 Wood: 939 x 15 deg. UST Proforce Black V2 7F4 stiff Hybrid: 939x Hybrid UST 680 recoil shaft stiff Irons: 699 irons 4-PW KBS tour 90 v Stiff 50 Deg: TAIII Satin 54 deg: TAIII Satin 58 Deg: TAIII Satin Putter: 004 Single Bend Masters Edition Rangefinder: Caddytek V2 Check out my MyGolfSpy 2020 Forum Official Tester: Ben Hogan GS53 Driver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrass Posted April 21, 2020 Author Share Posted April 21, 2020 I got a response back from the USGA. The couple sentences state that: in a desire to minimize the possibility of exposing golfers to coronavirus and have included leaving the hole liner raised above the putting surface or placing various objects into the hole so the ball can be more easily removed. In these specific cases, provided guidance from health and government officials is being followed, a temporary measure is in place within the United States to accept scores played under these conditions for handicap purposes using the most likely score guidelines, even though the player has not holed out. I interpret this to mean if the ball is not holed out in the initial stroke it is not an official hole in one but you enter a score of one for handicap purposes only. Again if you are playing a par three and you get a handicap stroke for that hole and you hole out for a two for handicap purposes you put a two on the card but when you the score is posted for your handicap you mark a one. This does not mean you got a hole in one. A ball must have been holed out in one shot to count. Just my viewpoint based on the USGA response. STUDque and Tap In 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveP043 Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 On 4/21/2020 at 7:01 PM, Albatrass said: I got a response back from the USGA. The couple sentences state that: in a desire to minimize the possibility of exposing golfers to coronavirus and have included leaving the hole liner raised above the putting surface or placing various objects into the hole so the ball can be more easily removed. In these specific cases, provided guidance from health and government officials is being followed, a temporary measure is in place within the United States to accept scores played under these conditions for handicap purposes using the most likely score guidelines, even though the player has not holed out. I interpret this to mean if the ball is not holed out in the initial stroke it is not an official hole in one but you enter a score of one for handicap purposes only. Again if you are playing a par three and you get a handicap stroke for that hole and you hole out for a two for handicap purposes you put a two on the card but when you the score is posted for your handicap you mark a one. This does not mean you got a hole in one. A ball must have been holed out in one shot to count. Just my viewpoint based on the USGA response. For reporting for handicap, you report your GROSS score. If you can be reasonably sure that your first stroke wold have been holed in a normal cup, by all means report a 1. In my opinion, its pretty difficult to be that sure when you're seeing it from 100+ yards away. You can't really see how fast the ball is travelling, or what part of the cup liner the ball hit. The USGA's direction surrounding the raised cup liners is ONLY for handicap reporting purposes. What you or your friends or your club choose to recognize as an ace is a completely separate issue. Albatrass 1 Quote Irons Titleist T200, AMT Red stiff Rogue SubZero, GD YS-Six X T22 54 and 58 wedges 7-wood 5-wood B60 G5i putter Right handed Reston, Virginia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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