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If teeing up ball and it goes in hole but due to liner in hole does not fall into hole should it be counted as a hole in one?  I say no but most in our neighborhood are counting it.   We have a hole in one plaque that they have had thier names added.  I live in the The Villages FL. and the inserts are approx. 1 inch above the lip of the cup

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Might be more creditable for someone who's previously hit an Ace. For a first timer, yeah you MAY have hit the greatest shot of your life but the cup situation is a fluke right now and that shot could have been also. In my opinion. Great topic and question.👍👍

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18 minutes ago, Albatrass said:

If teeing up ball and it goes in hole but due to liner in hole does not fall into hole should it be counted as a hole in one?  I say no but most in our neighborhood are counting it.   We have a hole in one plaque that they have had thier names added.

Depends on how the course is doing the liner.   Pool noodles or upside down cups yes;  raised liners no.    Just like being able to hit the ball really hard into a raise liner and counting it as holed when the ball never would have fallen into a normally placed hole.  Fortunately for me none of my local courses are doing raised liners.

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I think this discussion belongs to the rules discussion subsection but regardless, I agree with @cnosil

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3 hours ago, cnosil said:

Depends on how the course is doing the liner.   Pool noodles or upside down cups yes;  raised liners no.    Just like being able to hit the ball really hard into a raise liner and counting it as holed when the ball never would have fallen into a normally placed hole.  Fortunately for me none of my local courses are doing raised liners.

I live at The Villages in FL.  The courses are using inserts that are approx.   1 inch above the level of the cup.

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It can't be just anything that touches the raised cup.

If it bounces more than X feet away, or more than Y degrees off center, it's not a hole in one? Where X = 3 feet and Y = 30° as a strawman. I'd think if it bounces 6 feet away and/or ends up 90° from center it wouldn't have dropped.

Our cups are about 1" deep versus raised, but I'm not worried about missing out on a HIO either way. Must be a lot of pros where the OP plays for that to be an issue.

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I believe when USGA came out about posting scores etc. during this time they said it counts.

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I say no, unless there is someone by the cup and witnesses the miracle. I know that my eyesight is not good enough to say if it hit the cup or just got close to it. If you want to claim it in your group or friends, the more power to you, but it shouldn’t go on the plaque unless it drops or was seen up close.


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On ‎4‎/‎18‎/‎2020 at 4:30 PM, Tsmithjr9 said:

I believe when USGA came out about posting scores etc. during this time they said it counts.

 

If it is the same article that I saw I believe it only applies to the posting of a score and or handicap purposes not weather it is an official Hole in One..

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Wow this is a great question. I can see both sides. Unless you definitively know that it hit the cup I say know. Comes back to the integrity part of the game which was mentioned above. It is up to the individual golfer to count it or not. I probably would not but if some one does to each their own. Interested to see what the USGA says.

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I got a response back from the USGA.  The couple sentences state that:  in a desire to minimize the possibility of exposing golfers to coronavirus and have included leaving the hole liner raised above the putting surface or placing various objects into the hole so the ball can be more easily removed.  In these specific cases, provided guidance from health and government officials is being followed, a temporary measure is in place within the United States to accept scores played under these conditions for handicap purposes using the most likely score guidelines, even though the player has not holed out.  I interpret this to mean if the ball is not holed out in the initial stroke it is not an official hole in one but you enter a score of one for handicap purposes only.  Again if you are playing a par three and you get a handicap stroke for that hole and you hole out for a two for handicap purposes you put a two on the card but when you the score is posted for your handicap you mark a one.  This does not mean you got a hole in one.  A ball must have been holed out in one shot to count.  Just my viewpoint based on the USGA response.

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On 4/21/2020 at 7:01 PM, Albatrass said:

I got a response back from the USGA.  The couple sentences state that:  in a desire to minimize the possibility of exposing golfers to coronavirus and have included leaving the hole liner raised above the putting surface or placing various objects into the hole so the ball can be more easily removed.  In these specific cases, provided guidance from health and government officials is being followed, a temporary measure is in place within the United States to accept scores played under these conditions for handicap purposes using the most likely score guidelines, even though the player has not holed out.  I interpret this to mean if the ball is not holed out in the initial stroke it is not an official hole in one but you enter a score of one for handicap purposes only.  Again if you are playing a par three and you get a handicap stroke for that hole and you hole out for a two for handicap purposes you put a two on the card but when you the score is posted for your handicap you mark a one.  This does not mean you got a hole in one.  A ball must have been holed out in one shot to count.  Just my viewpoint based on the USGA response.

For reporting for handicap, you report your GROSS score.  If you can be reasonably sure that your first stroke wold have been holed in a normal cup, by all means report a 1.  In my opinion, its pretty difficult to be that sure when you're seeing it from 100+ yards away.  You can't really see how fast the ball is travelling, or what part of the cup liner the ball hit.  The USGA's direction surrounding the raised cup liners is ONLY for handicap reporting purposes.  What you or your friends or your club choose to recognize as an ace is a completely separate issue.

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