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Im guessing that is total distance? What’s his carry? 30’ isn’t anywhere near a good ball height. That’s at least 60’ below what many consider optimal peak height. The lowest I’ve seen a pro hit a normal driver is 76’

Ian even mentioned in a recent TXG video that height should be about the same number as the swing speed number....


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3 minutes ago, PMookie said:


Ian even mentioned in a recent TXG video that height should be about the same number as the swing speed number....


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Peak height is one of the stats I like seeing on golf broadcasts. So many ams say they hit to height but when you watch it’s barely above the tree tops. Then you see pros hitting it 110+ feet. 
 

I remember listening to Duffy Callahan from Wilson a few years back at one of the Wilson events when they were going around doing the d200 challenge say that 99’ is pretty much where he likes to see peak heightZ he said once you get above 100’ is where the wind starts to have impact on the ball. 

 

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6 hours ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

Something in numbers is off. As @jlukes mentioned that total distance isn’t possible with a 30’ peak height. To hit a ball 280 yards 30’ in the air and only get 25-40 yards of roll. If you are saying 340-360 total with optimal launch that is also off based on getting 305-320 now. If you are saying 340-360 carry that’s elite level long drive distances. 
 

 

I witnessed it many times. He hits his 5 iron 220-230 and his 4 iron 240ish. Not hard to see a driver going 280 carry with those numbers. He launches lower than anything I have ever seen. His backspin and ball speed keeps the ball in the air at that low flight. But, I am done trying to convince nonbelievers of something I know to be true. 

And I know at least 3 people that swing faster than the top 10 PGA players in the world. It isn't unreasonable.

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8 minutes ago, TimoTe said:

I witnessed it many times. He hits his 5 iron 220-230 and his 4 iron 240ish. Not hard to see a driver going 280 carry with those numbers. He launches lower than anything I have ever seen. His backspin and ball speed keeps the ball in the air at that low flight. But, I am done trying to convince nonbelievers of something I know to be true. 

And I know at least 3 people that swing faster than the top 10 PGA players in the world. It isn't unreasonable.

I don't think anybody is questioning that he hits it that far. I believe he hits it that far. But I don't believe he hits it that far with a peak height of 30' it has to be higher. 

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21 minutes ago, TimoTe said:

I witnessed it many times. He hits his 5 iron 220-230 and his 4 iron 240ish. Not hard to see a driver going 280 carry with those numbers. He launches lower than anything I have ever seen. His backspin and ball speed keeps the ball in the air at that low flight. But, I am done trying to convince nonbelievers of something I know to be true. 

And I know at least 3 people that swing faster than the top 10 PGA players in the world. It isn't unreasonable.

Something in your numbers is off. 30’ is 10 yards off the ground that isn’t just low it’s a bad shot. It’s not possible to hit a ball 280 in the air at 30’ off the ground.

here is trackman numbers from Justin Rose. He is hitting over 90’ higher and carrying it 310.

 

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My buddy drives it 240-250 with an apex of maybe 50 feet on average, but about 1/3rd of that is roll. It also has a pretty mean fade on it. A low spin, high on the face near the heel monster. But when it hits the ground it takes off like a jack rabbit. There are some trackman videos out there with an apex of 30 feet that carried 220, and rolled out to 300+. Joaquin Niemann also hit that driver stinger last year. Your buddy would have to be an absolute monster and get impact parameters just right, but I think it’s at least plausible. I’d like to find a way to get some of that trajectory, my drives with a 106-108 SS carry about 250-260 and I’ve seen them bounce once and stop. 

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I witnessed it many times. He hits his 5 iron 220-230 and his 4 iron 240ish. Not hard to see a driver going 280 carry with those numbers. He launches lower than anything I have ever seen. His backspin and ball speed keeps the ball in the air at that low flight. But, I am done trying to convince nonbelievers of something I know to be true. 

And I know at least 3 people that swing faster than the top 10 PGA players in the world. It isn't unreasonable.

So, his backspin is high enough to keep the ball in the air, but it never goes over 30’, then RUNS forever?! Yeahhhhhhh. Now I’m not believing it at all. If the spin were high enough to keep it in the air, it isn’t running when it lands....... Anyway. Film it one day to prove us wrong. Best way to do-so is get the Shot Tracer app, stand back, and record. I’m not afraid to eat crow. But I’ll need a Trackman for the distance declaration part.

Look-up the Cartbarn Guys on Instagram, and see the videos of Kyle hitting his low launching spinner. That’s what your guy would need to do, but you can see that Kyle’s spin is so high, the ball just dies when it hits.

 

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I accidentally hit a stinger with a driver once at the range. It started like 4 feet off the ground and then had an upward trajectory. Was the coolest shot I have ever hit. Probably could never replicate it ever again.

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Always keep in mind, that there is no guarantee, that the softer tip profile/softer middle profile will generate a higher launch for you. You might just not hit it consistently, since it doesn't fit your swing and feel preferences.
While in theory, shafts like Evenflow Red, HZRDUS Red, ACCRA 100 series, potentially raise your ballflight, if you can time them right. But reality is, that this isn't true for a couple of players. You might eventually see the oposite for you, cause you deliver the club in a certain way, that causes the high launch shaft to launch lower - I`ve seen that a couple of times in my years fitting golfclubs.
If you need to consistently higher your ballflight - use more loft. If you run into spin issues with a higher lofted club - check impact location first and potentially check out a different CoG head design.
Shafts can only do so much - if the head paramteres aren't good for you, no shaft can fix that.
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Something in your numbers is off. 30’ is 10 yards off the ground that isn’t just low it’s a bad shot. It’s not possible to hit a ball 280 in the air at 30’ off the ground. here is trackman numbers from Justin Rose. He is hitting over 90’ higher and carrying it 310.

 

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Video on Instagram this AM, so took a screen shot. Cameron Champ. 304 carry, but almost twice as high as 30’!!!! The 30’ part is definitely the issue.

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48 minutes ago, PMookie said:

Video on Instagram this AM, so took a screen shot. Cameron Champ. 304 carry, but almost twice as high as 30’!!!! The 30’ part is definitely the issue.

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Yeah at 30’ you would need Kyle Berkshire speed to even hope to get it 280 in the air

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I played with the flight scope trajectory optimizer you see if I could obtain drives that were being described. Is it doable, yes, but you are looking as 3* launch angles with 190ish ball speed and sub 1000 spin rates and firm fairways. Because of the softwares minimums I couldn’t duplicate exactly but it does appear possible.

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2 minutes ago, cnosil said:

I played with the flight scope trajectory optimizer you see if I could obtain drives that were being described. Is it doable, yes, but you are looking as 3* launch angles with 190ish ball speed and sub 1000 spin rates and firm fairways. Because of the softwares minimums I couldn’t duplicate exactly but it does appear possible.

Sub 1000 spin..the optimizer must have seen one of my topped tee shots 🤣

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7 minutes ago, cnosil said:

I played with the flight scope trajectory optimizer you see if I could obtain drives that were being described. Is it doable, yes, but you are looking as 3* launch angles with 190ish ball speed and sub 1000 spin rates and firm fairways. Because of the softwares minimums I couldn’t duplicate exactly but it does appear possible.

Bingo. Skratch TV just posted a video of the top 5 stingers. The previously mentioned Joaquin Niemann drive made the like, as did Ollie Schneiderjans hitting an iron 347 with an apex of like 40 feet. 

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Sub 1000 spin..the optimizer must have seen one of my topped tee shots 

They were watching some of my tee shots from driver most wanted testing. I think my lowest was in the 600 range. No, that wasn’t intentional.

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I played with the flight scope trajectory optimizer you see if I could obtain drives that were being described. Is it doable, yes, but you are looking as 3* launch angles with 190ish ball speed and sub 1000 spin rates and firm fairways. Because of the softwares minimums I couldn’t duplicate exactly but it does appear possible.

Yeah, 190+ ball speed by an Am.... That’s the kicker.
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The Accra TZ6 is an excellent shaft for achieving a higher launch and holding spin down.  Have been gaming one in my driver for about a year and am seriously considering putting one from a higher weight class in my 3 wood.

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