ForTheLoveofTheGame 10 Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 Currently gaming an M5 w/handcrafted 65gm 6.0 evenflow blue(LOOOOVE THE SMOOTH PROFILE). Swingspeed is 90-95mph so spin numbers are adequate but ball flight at times favors a piercing trajectory) Carry avgs around 240. I have a fujikura vista pro shaft and considering switching due to the high launch characteristics. Previously had this shaft in my TS3 and the dispersion was all over the map. Any suggestions?? Quote "The greatest pleasure is obtained in improving" - Ben Hogan Link to post Share on other sites
bens197 6,750 Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 If you love the Evenflow blue you should try the red. Same feel with a higher launch. It’s not as widely known but it’s out there and it’ll get you that higher trajectory with a familiar feel. http://golfdealsandsteals.com/project-x-hand-crafted-evenflow-red-max-carry-driver-wood-shaft-choose-flex/ Quote PING G400 LST 8.5 Evenflow Black 65g 6.5 TaylorMade SIM2 3 wood Diamana FW 75 S Mizuno HMB MP20 3i Nippon Modus 3 120S Ben Hogan PTx Combo Nippon Modus 3 120S TaylorMade MG2 TW 56 & 60 Nippon Modus 3 120S Bettinardi BB8 Wide Oncore Elixr Western, NY 5.7 Index Link to post Share on other sites
RickyBobby_PR 5,795 Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 A piercing flight is what you kind of want. You want the ball to get to the apex and ride it for a while. Spin and launch go together and you could affect one or the other with the wrong setup. what is your spin and launch? Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to post Share on other sites
dlow206 6,600 Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 5 hours ago, bens197 said: If you love the Evenflow blue you should try the red. Same feel with a higher launch. It’s not as widely known but it’s out there and it’ll get you that higher trajectory with a familiar feel. http://golfdealsandsteals.com/project-x-hand-crafted-evenflow-red-max-carry-driver-wood-shaft-choose-flex/ I've got one of these, it's a good shaft, I like it even better than the Blue. But I just got a good deal on a Oban Kiyoshi Gold, so the Evenflow Red may go into the shaft bag in the garage. 1 Quote Follow my golf journey to break into the 80s Current tester for the Titleist TSi Driver Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft Updated 12/27/2020 Driver: TSi 2 - Graphite Design AD-XC 6S Hybrids: SIM Max 3H, 4H - Matrix Ozik 85S Irons: ZX5 5 - PW - Nippon Modus 120 S Wedges: CBX 2 54, CBX Full Face 58 - KBS Hi-Rev S Putter: ER2 Link to post Share on other sites
jaskanski 1,276 Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 10 hours ago, ForTheLoveofTheGame said: Currently gaming an M5 w/handcrafted 65gm 6.0 evenflow blue(LOOOOVE THE SMOOTH PROFILE). Swingspeed is 90-95mph so spin numbers are adequate but ball flight at times favors a piercing trajectory) Carry avgs around 240. I have a fujikura vista pro shaft and considering switching due to the high launch characteristics. Previously had this shaft in my TS3 and the dispersion was all over the map. Any suggestions?? Yes - get fitted. This is a classic case of self-appraisal for the purpose of buying and then asking for advice after the fact. Why not do the asking first and then purchase? Anyway, without your exact numbers I would say that your swing speed is below what is required to get the most out of the Evenflow at 6.0 flex - you may want to look at something more flexible. Get a fitting pro to get the weight and shaft profile to match your swing dynamics and match it to your spin/loft and you will have the kind of trajectory your swing can produce. It's that simple. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Golfmanufaktur 29 Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 Always keep in mind, that there is no guarantee, that the softer tip profile/softer middle profile will generate a higher launch for you. You might just not hit it consistently, since it doesn't fit your swing and feel preferences. While in theory, shafts like Evenflow Red, HZRDUS Red, ACCRA 100 series, potentially raise your ballflight, if you can time them right. But reality is, that this isn't true for a couple of players. You might eventually see the oposite for you, cause you deliver the club in a certain way, that causes the high launch shaft to launch lower - I`ve seen that a couple of times in my years fitting golfclubs. If you need to consistently higher your ballflight - use more loft. If you run into spin issues with a higher lofted club - check impact location first and potentially check out a different CoG head design. Shafts can only do so much - if the head paramteres aren't good for you, no shaft can fix that. Cheers, Michael 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cnosil 16,667 Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 The other thing not discussed is to potentially reduce the shaft weight. I have found that going to a lighter weight shaft you might get more height. Of course your timing has to be good and the shaft profile still has to be right, but you might get higher launch. 3 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* set to 16.5* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 816H1 19* set at 18* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 588 54-14, 58-12 Putter: TM-180 Backups: 6330, ER2.2, Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to post Share on other sites
Smellis745 529 Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 Another thing to consider is your angle of attack. If you're attack angle is descending to neutral, at your swing speed, you won't get the ball much higher no matter what shaft you use. You can always try a higher lofted head, but then you'll likely introduce more spin to the equation. I saw it mentioned already, but just because a shaft says it's a higher launch, higher spin, doesn't mean that's the case for you. Total weight, EI, balance point, etc... can all affect how you deliver the club. 1 Quote TaylorMade SIM2 9.7* - Graphite Design Tour AD-HD 7 TX TaylorMade M6 15.9* - PX HZRDUS Green 80 6.5 TX Callaway XForged UT 19* - Aldila Rogue Black 105 TX Srixon Z965 4-P - PX 6.0 LS hard stepped Vokey SM8 51F / SM7 55M / 59K - TI DG 400 Scotty Cameron X7 Phantom 34” Titleist Pro -V1X Link to post Share on other sites
ForTheLoveofTheGame 10 Posted April 20, 2020 Author Share Posted April 20, 2020 15 hours ago, jaskanski said: Yes - get fitted. This is a classic case of self-appraisal for the purpose of buying and then asking for advice after the fact. Why not do the asking first and then purchase? Anyway, without your exact numbers I would say that your swing speed is below what is required to get the most out of the Evenflow at 6.0 flex - you may want to look at something more flexible. Get a fitting pro to get the weight and shaft profile to match your swing dynamics and match it to your spin/loft and you will have the kind of trajectory your swing can produce. It's that simple. I would LOVE to get properly fit. Only issue is the only place in my town is Edwinn Watts...dont exactly trust them. Club Champion is 3hrs away from me so i hope to visit them sometime soon Quote "The greatest pleasure is obtained in improving" - Ben Hogan Link to post Share on other sites
dlow206 6,600 Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 5 minutes ago, ForTheLoveofTheGame said: I would LOVE to get properly fit. Only issue is the only place in my town is Edwinn Watts...dont exactly trust them. Club Champion is 3hrs away from me so i hope to visit them sometime soon If you don't want to get fitted, you can go with my approach (not saying my approach is good). Buy a shaft that theoretically fits the profile you are looking for, but make sure you get a good deal on Ebay or a similar site. If it doesn't work out for you, resell it and get most, if not all your money back. Or you can buy a shaft from my bag of shafts in the garage, I have a collection of "high" launching shafts, haha. Quote Follow my golf journey to break into the 80s Current tester for the Titleist TSi Driver Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft Updated 12/27/2020 Driver: TSi 2 - Graphite Design AD-XC 6S Hybrids: SIM Max 3H, 4H - Matrix Ozik 85S Irons: ZX5 5 - PW - Nippon Modus 120 S Wedges: CBX 2 54, CBX Full Face 58 - KBS Hi-Rev S Putter: ER2 Link to post Share on other sites
PMookie 13,035 Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 Currently gaming an M5 w/handcrafted 65gm 6.0 evenflow blue(LOOOOVE THE SMOOTH PROFILE). Swingspeed is 90-95mph so spin numbers are adequate but ball flight at times favors a piercing trajectory) Carry avgs around 240. I have a fujikura vista pro shaft and considering switching due to the high launch characteristics. Previously had this shaft in my TS3 and the dispersion was all over the map. Any suggestions??Get on this site, order a couple shafts for demo, and figure it out on the course and the range. No need to guess anymore!https://www.shaftshack.comSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro 4 Quote Driver: King F9 Speedback, Xphlexxx Busa 2 Liquid, XX stiff, 45” Fwy: Hybrid: X2 Hot Pro, 20*, Rombax 8D07HB TM27 X Irons: TR20 Tour P 4/5, Tour V 6-10, Dynamic Gold X100 Wedges: Vega VW-06 50*/54*/58*, Dynamic Gold S400 Putter: EAS 1.0 Link to post Share on other sites
B.Boston 10,338 Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 a lot of good points about fitting here already. But if you like the feel of that shaft and just need slightly more launch can you bump to the next higher loft setting? you could offset this by putting one of the weights in the toe to help slow rotation (if you found you were adding too much draw bias). Launch and Spin should bump up a bit in theory. If you haven't tried adjusting the weight and hosel settings I would try that first. Best advice has been go see your fitter though... its the quickest and best way to get sorted out! Quote #COBRACONNECT CHALLENGE 4 ALUMNUS Speedzone Driver 10.5 - Ventus Blue 6x | Speedzone 5-wood - Ventus Blue 8s | Speedzone 4-Hybrid - KBS Proto 85s KING Forged Tec 5-GW - Nippon Modus 120x | KING MIM Black 52.12C, 56.10V, 60.04W - Nippon Modus 125 Wedge ER2B | MTB-X | NX9 HD Slope #cuetheduckboats Link to post Share on other sites
tvangel 15 Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 On 4/21/2020 at 8:33 AM, PMookie said: Get on this site, order a couple shafts for demo, and figure it out on the course and the range. No need to guess anymore! https://www.shaftshack.com Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro Thank you for sharing the link to Shaft Shack. I never knew a company like this existed. I will give them a shot as soon as the driving ranges open again in Illinois for testing a new driver shaft. 1 Quote Driver: Titleist 917 D3 3 Wood: Titleist 917 F2 Hybrid: Titleist 816 H2 Irons: Ping iBlade (4-P) Wedges 50*, 54*, 58* Volkey SM6 Putter: Odyssey White Hot Pro #9 Link to post Share on other sites
jlukes 13,576 Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 Chasing a shaft to increase launch could be futile, especially if you are simply seeking advice on the internet and not at a fitting. Shafts dont directly impact launch. They COULD impact how you deliver the club, which in turn increases launch, but how any given person will respond to a shaft change is not very predictable. You wan't more launch? Loft up, or get a head that has the weight a bit more back and it will launch higher. Chasing launch increases simply by changing shaft, without doing so under the watchful eye of a good fitter, would be an expensive experiment. 3 Quote In my BR-D4 Stand Bag G410 LST 9* VA Nemesys 65X G410 LST 14.5* Tour AD DI 7X 818 H2 20* Tour AD DI 85X MP20 HMB 4 Tour AD 95X JPX 919 Tour 5-PW Oban CT 115 X(-) Vokey SM7 50F - 54S - 59D Phantom X 5.5 (2021) ProV1 Link to post Share on other sites
RickyBobby_PR 5,795 Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 7 minutes ago, jlukes said: Chasing a shaft to increase launch could be futile, especially if you are simply seeking advice on the internet and not at a fitting. Shafts dont directly impact launch. They COULD impact how you deliver the club, which in turn increases launch, but how any given person will respond to a shaft change is not very predictable. You wan't more launch? Loft up, or get a head that has the weight a bit more back and it will launch higher. Chasing launch increases simply by changing shaft, without doing so under the watchful eye of a good fitter, would be an expensive experiment. Not to mention it could be swing related and not the shaft at all 1 Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to post Share on other sites
jlukes 13,576 Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 1 minute ago, RickyBobby_PR said: Not to mention it could be swing related and not the shaft at all Exactly. I still remember back in 2013 I chased equipment to solve my low launch issues. You know what I learned years later when I opened my eyes to reality? No amount of equipment was going to increase my launch and lower my spin with a - 5 degree angle of attack with the Driver 2 Quote In my BR-D4 Stand Bag G410 LST 9* VA Nemesys 65X G410 LST 14.5* Tour AD DI 7X 818 H2 20* Tour AD DI 85X MP20 HMB 4 Tour AD 95X JPX 919 Tour 5-PW Oban CT 115 X(-) Vokey SM7 50F - 54S - 59D Phantom X 5.5 (2021) ProV1 Link to post Share on other sites
zrumble 550 Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 TXG has great information on this. Fit your clubhead first as things like loft, CG, lie angle, etc affect the launch and spin conditions. Once you find a clubhead that gives you the 95% solution, you try to optimize your delivery of the clubhead with a shaft that feels good for your swing. IF you have a swing trait enhanced by a shaft that isn't suited for your game (causing you to smother the ball with your hands, excessive shaft lean, wrist snap though the ball, etc) you could POSSIBLY find the right shaft to optimize your delivery. Probably not going to find it without a lot of trial and error, or a good fitter. 3 Quote Stats: 5'4", Male, R-Handed, Moderate Tempo, Driver SS 115mph Driver: Taylormade SiM Max 9*, TM Ventus Blue 6X 3w/5w: Callaway X-Hot, S-flex Fubuki shafts 3h: Tour Edge EXS Pro, Smoke Black 80g 6.0 4i-PW: Mizuno MP-4, DG S300 Wedges: Titleist SM7 56* Wedge: Callaway Jaws w/ 12* of bounce Link to post Share on other sites
jlukes 13,576 Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 4 minutes ago, zrumble said: TXG has great information on this. Fit your clubhead first as things like loft, CG, lie angle, etc affect the launch and spin conditions. Once you find a clubhead that gives you the 95% solution, you try to optimize your delivery of the clubhead with a shaft that feels good for your swing. IF you have a swing trait enhanced by a shaft that isn't suited for your game (causing you to smother the ball with your hands, excessive shaft lean, wrist snap though the ball, etc) you could POSSIBLY find the right shaft to optimize your delivery. Probably not going to find it without a lot of trial and error, or a good fitter. Great post 1 Quote In my BR-D4 Stand Bag G410 LST 9* VA Nemesys 65X G410 LST 14.5* Tour AD DI 7X 818 H2 20* Tour AD DI 85X MP20 HMB 4 Tour AD 95X JPX 919 Tour 5-PW Oban CT 115 X(-) Vokey SM7 50F - 54S - 59D Phantom X 5.5 (2021) ProV1 Link to post Share on other sites
RickyBobby_PR 5,795 Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 22 minutes ago, zrumble said: TXG has great information on this. Fit your clubhead first as things like loft, CG, lie angle, etc affect the launch and spin conditions. Once you find a clubhead that gives you the 95% solution, you try to optimize your delivery of the clubhead with a shaft that feels good for your swing. IF you have a swing trait enhanced by a shaft that isn't suited for your game (causing you to smother the ball with your hands, excessive shaft lean, wrist snap though the ball, etc) you could POSSIBLY find the right shaft to optimize your delivery. Probably not going to find it without a lot of trial and error, or a good fitter. Every fitter I’ve been to has taken this approach. I remember my Titleist Thursday fitting for the 917. He asked what I was looking for over my current driver and I told him I wanted to put a titleist driver back in the bag to have a full titleist bag at the time. we started with the d2 head and a few based on my swing and numbers. We then moved onto the d3 to optimize the spin and we used the same shafts plus one additional one. We had 3 shafts narrowed down then he had me take a few swings with each again made a hosel adjustment and do the same. He asked my opinion on the shafts and told him I felt like 2 of them I had to work harder with and he said agree and that my tempo and swing with the shaft we ended up going with had me swing with my best tempo. Numbers between the 3 shafts were relatively the same and it really boiled down to what was the least effort to swing with. 2 Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to post Share on other sites
dlow206 6,600 Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 The approach to take when looking for the right shaft depends on your goal. If you are looking for the best shaft for you while being cost efficient, then go for the fitting. If you are like me, part of the fun is researching, trying different things out over time, getting good deals on ebay, etc., then go ahead and buy and try out some different shafts. The downside is this approach will cost more. I am a forever tinkerer, but that is part of what I enjoy about the game. 2 Quote Follow my golf journey to break into the 80s Current tester for the Titleist TSi Driver Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft Updated 12/27/2020 Driver: TSi 2 - Graphite Design AD-XC 6S Hybrids: SIM Max 3H, 4H - Matrix Ozik 85S Irons: ZX5 5 - PW - Nippon Modus 120 S Wedges: CBX 2 54, CBX Full Face 58 - KBS Hi-Rev S Putter: ER2 Link to post Share on other sites
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