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I completely disagree that this increases the fun factor. Seems like exactly the kind of uptight bullshit I try to avoid. You might have fun playing this way, but a sprint from #1 to #18 is not why I play.

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2 minutes ago, newballcoach said:

I completely disagree that this increases the fun factor. Seems like exactly the kind of uptight bullshit I try to avoid. You might have fun playing this way, but a sprint from #1 to #18 is not why I play.

Not a sprint relaxed solo play in a cart or walking.

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Reviewing the rules before play would add an extra 30 min to the round.

 

We're all adults and this isn't our first time at the rodeo. Just go out and play golf.

 

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28 minutes ago, tony@CIC said:

Reviewing the rules before play would add an extra 30 min to the round.

 

We're all adults and this isn't our first time at the rodeo. Just go out and play golf.

 

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Unfortunately that is not true, just like the fact that common sense is not always common anymore. Golfers around here who play on public and semi private courses are sick and tired of 5.5+ rounds, with guys making it more a drinking time than an fun sport recreation time. 

Starters all all gone as well from many years so unfortunately you have those really extra careful people (guys and gals) who wait forever before they tee off even though they have no chance to hit the people in front and even though many of us tell them that they refuse to listen and won't tee off sooner or let us play through.

Unfortunately seen a few cases where suddenly after a few beers the group grows to 5 or 6 and even had a few 8somes i.e. the groups suddenly merge because hey they all want to be with all their buddies and drink and yap and not play golf, they play real slow and just becomes a drunk fest and with no more marshals well it goes unchecked so you grin and bear it. or skip a hole to play around these guys because they never let you play through. That ruins it for everyone, only good thing is when they mob on the cart person they take soo much time buying beer and flirting that you can easily pass them but cart girl usually only makes it around 2-3 or so times on a average round so you only have a few instances to pass these boozer bozos. Another reason why i only tee off at 7 am never ever see guys even buy or drink beer from a cart girl until well onto the back nine.

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16 minutes ago, DaveP043 said:

I don't know how long the other posters here take, but your mention of 2:00 or 2:30 is simply ludicrous for a fourball of walkers.  I don't like slow play, but there's a middle ground somewhere in there.  I'm comfortable walking in 3:30 to 3:45, even on a hilly course with a number of long green-to-tee distances.  I've played golf in Scotland, where 3:30 is perfectly reasonable on many (probably most) courses for a fourball.  Some of your ideas have some merit, but the overall impression is of a race around the course, and that's not golf the way I want to play it.  Please feel free to enjoy your solo sprints (with all of your friends), I'll be an hour or two back with my friends.

Dave I never said anyone can play golf walking in 2-2.5 hours (by yourself or with a group) for a regular golf course. I said I do that riding in a cart playing solo.

I said you can play an executive 18 hole course (all par 3's) walking in 1.25-1.5 hours. I and others do that all the time at Fantasy Lake GC.

In all my cases stated, it is an easy relaxing pace, no running, no hurried shooting. Just concentrate on golf and nothing else except to bask in the sun and nature in peace and quiet.

Walking a regular course with a foursome would be 3.5 hours. In a cart 3 hours. Have done this but usually when I golf with others it is a twosome or a threesome (my golf buds). Foursomes are when I am required to play with others as the course does not like solo play to tee off on the first hole. I take care of that rather quickly if I am stuck with slower players and can play through my group and the groups ahead of me.

Take care Dave.

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13 hours ago, viking said:

Walking a regular course with a foursome would be 3.5 hours. In a cart 3 hours. Have done this but usually when I golf with others it is a twosome or a threesome (my golf buds). Foursomes are when I am required to play with others as the course does not like solo play to tee off on the first hole. I take care of that rather quickly if I am stuck with slower players and can play through my group and the groups ahead of me.

Take care Dave.

So much of what you've said in this thread is about you, maybe with a few other players, and nobody in front of you.  Life doesn't work that way, there are other folks on the golf course in front of you and behind you.  There are fourballs, there are twos, there are folks in buggies and folks on foot.  A group in a cart can't go around in 3 hours, should never even expect to do so on a moderately full course, because there may be a group on foot in front of them. Many of your "rules" fly in the face of the Rules of Golf.  And you'll just leave your assigned playing partners and go on alone, expecting to play through every group ahead of you?  That's simply rude.

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Hey Dave. Not rude and happens only rarely i.e one semi public semi private course were they force foursomes all the time on the first tee. The only course around here that does that. Other courses allow solo, twosome and threesome. They have no marshals or starters, as most courses don't anymore, been that way for many years now. Simply too costly for them.

The people I leave are people I have never met, we just teeded off together as we were grouped together by the pro shop when we paid our green fees. If they play slow, are not really into golf but just want to be together (as they came together and wanted to play together by themselves) and walk and have their own private conversations. No problem it helps us out both. Some people want to golf, others just want to talk and walk. I prefer to play solo, get a better rhythm, concentrate better, like to enjoy the golf setting scenery. Not a social butterfly more of a private person who enjoys the outdoors and likes to be competitive, yes you can be competitive with yourself as well, i.e. always want to do better.

When courses force a foursome, this happens. After a few holes it makes sense for the different parties to play apart. Silly rule to force foursomes on the first tee, when they are not busy as most courses are not around here.

When there is a slow group in front of me and they don't offer me the opportunity to play through (I rarely ask unless they are really really slow and have no golf etiquette at all) an there is no one behind me (to not hold them up) what I have started to do the last two or three years is to play 2 balls, that way when I play 18 holes I actually play 36, so I get to play 2 games in one day in the time it takes to play one game, that is fantastic. You should try it Dave if you get the opportunity. After talking to others on Manitoba golf sites and in the clubhouse seems like there are quite a few others who do this, either play 2 balls and or do two rounds in one day, we are true golf diehards for our geographical and climate location with our short seasons.

Dave you can play 12 months of the year, 365 days, many of can't because of our geological location and climate, and weather fluctuations (we go from +40 C to - 40 C) and unfortunately getting way too many very hot and humid summer days when you can't golf of course that depends a lot on the person's make up, eg. I can take the cold but not the heat.

Stay positive Dave, people are different and accept them for that. I merely offered a suggestion and offered to open up a polite positive conversation to make people aware of how they can play ready golf, for many here they already know that, but many others don't because they use golf as more of a social get together activity rather than a sport or a recreational activity and they have no clue how long a game should last or that slower players should allow faster players to play through. Ready golf is more important now than ever with the disappearance of course marshalls.

The golf rules I have displayed are what many common average and pro golfers like. Have you ever read how upset Brooks and others are of slow play ont eh course and at tournaments?

Stay safe and positive Dave. We obviously have different viewpoints and that is fine.

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I tend to agree with Dave. My buddies and I play "Ready Golf",as we call it, and we enjoy a faster pace of play. However, we still find time to violate some of the rules on your list all while be conscious and respectful of other groups/golfers out on the course. To me part of what makes the game so fun is the social aspect..... gambling, drinking, giving each other a hard time and celebrating together. I enjoy taking my time to appreciate the course architecture and scenery as well. The key is to enjoy your personal experience in your own way all while being mindful to not infringe on other golfers personal experience. 

P.S......About your stance on what the pros want........If I ever get the opportunity to play with Rickie Fowler and he doesn't flirt with the cart girl I will be highly disappointed. 😜

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3 minutes ago, BelowParGolf said:

P.S......About your stance on what the pros want........If I ever get the opportunity to play with Rickie Fowler and he doesn't flirt with the cart girl I will be highly disappointed. 😜

And how about if the cart girl wants to flirt with us 😂

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You claim that Brooks and other professional agree with you.  Do you think that they are willing to leave the flagstick in at all times?  Are they willing to NOT search for golf balls, simply because there's a group behind them?  Do they want to hit the ball immediately when they're ready, with no thought to who's away?  Do they choose to keep their glove on at all times?  I understand that you have your opinions, and I agree with some of the "rules" you posed, but others are just wrong.  And its really inappropriate to claim that you represent anyone other than yourself.  Yes, many players would prefer to play quicker than conditions generally allow.  But that doesn't mean that they agree with all of your 18 rules.

 

Dave, well said!  

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56 minutes ago, BelowParGolf said:

About your stance on what the pros want........If I ever get the opportunity to play with Rickie Fowler and he doesn't flirt with the cart girl I will be highly disappointed. 😜

Have to take Rickie snomobiling (like his MX days) nothing like ripping down the 12,000 KM of trails we have in Manitoba. I do 300 miles a day on great forest, marsh, lake, river and ditch trails start at 8 am go to 5 pm and stop in for a great lunch at at great restaurant in a local town near the trails. He would love it.

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32 minutes ago, DaveP043 said:

 

You claim that Brooks and other professional agree with you.  Yes they do Do you think that they are willing to leave the flagstick in at all times?  Yes most of the time. Are they willing to NOT search for golf balls, simply because there's a group behind them?  I always search for lost balls and find many one time I found 15 at once. Only do it if not holding up the group behind. Do they want to hit the ball immediately when they're ready, PGA rules may stop that but Brooks would prefer it.with no thought to who's away?  Yes Brooks does, his big critcis Do they choose to keep their glove on at all times?  No glove no love. Safer with Covid 19 as well, many people will be playing with 2 gloves, quite a few do around here per my observation. I understand that you have your opinions, and I agree with some of the "rules" you posed, but others are just wrong.  OK And its really inappropriate to claim that you represent anyone other than yourself.  Yes, many players would prefer to play quicker than conditions generally allow.  But that doesn't mean that they agree with all of your 18 rules. Actually people I play with, talk to in clubhouse and club pros here all concur. Maybe y'all Southerns are more laid back in your warmer temps year long.

 

See bold in your post Dave.

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Again flawed.  I don't know anyone that doesn't touch their face now and again and certainly would in an 18 hole round of golf, no matter how long it takes.  Wearing 2 gloves is not safer during COVID-19.  The virus lives on gloves as much as your hands.

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Concerning #9,  I propose that this be amended so that golfers get off the green, move on the next hole, and record scores there.

I didn't see this one listed, my brother's edict,  "hit ball, go directly to cart, sit with club in hand, drive to next shot, get out, clean club, put back in bag, get next club needed."

If this is not done, peace will be no more.

Concerning #17, 100% of time, those beer carts girls approach me, I'm just there minding my own business. 😇

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9 minutes ago, SlowNLow said:

Concerning #9,  I propose that this be amended so that golfers get off the green, move on the next hole, and record scores there.

I didn't see this one listed, my brother's edict,  "hit ball, go directly to cart, sit with club in hand, drive to next shot, get out, clean club, put back in bag, get next club needed."

If this is not done, peace will be no more.

Concerning #17, 100% of time, those beer carts girls approach me, I'm just there minding my own business. 😇

Funny guy slownlow. Agreed with #9. I actually meant it off the hole but either on the next tee box or between the tee box and the last green I follow your borthers advice lots but not always, actually often pick out my next club sometimes ahead of getting to the ball eg. putter, PW, SW, chipper, 3W, 5W.

Actually your #17 is how they play it for most guys sorry dude. Don't mean to burst your bubble. I know it was i jest, good one.

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40 minutes ago, viking said:

Funny guy slownlow. Agreed with #9. I actually meant it off the hole but either on the next tee box or between the tee box and the last green I follow your borthers advice lots but not always, actually often pick out my next club sometimes ahead of getting to the ball eg. putter, PW, SW, chipper, 3W, 5W.

Actually your #17 is how they play it for most guys sorry dude. Don't mean to burst your bubble. I know it was i jest, good one.

Acutally I do respect the beer cart person, male or female, as they are there for the money.  All I want to do is be polite and give a decent tip. 

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The golf culture is ever evolving often concurrently across different generations. When I was first introduced to golf I was turned off because the majority of golfers I came across were the cigar smoking alcohol drinking variety. Those guys still exist but they are now out numbered by a more health conscious population. Still it does take all types on the course to keep green fees reasonable. If all the aforementioned rules were enforced green fees would sky rocket.

 

 

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