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Just want to see what's holding people from playing super or just game improvement irons??? I never thought I could get over the looks or the idea of playing them because of the stigma of them being old guy clubs. I'm no stick but I'm no slouch either, but once I adopted the MGS mentality and bought into what they preach about why no take advantage of tech or forgiveness. It was easy to game them, and the look on peoples face when they see that's what I'm playing is funny. But it should always be about the numbers, and to me these perform and produce results. let the ego go, enough of my rant. What's ur thoughts on this????

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Ego.

I can’t count how many people I’ve played with who spend money on the wrong clubs for their game. You’ve got a nice bag.

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They look terrible and I can get same benefits in a better looking package like the p790, i500, PXG 0311P if I wanted something with a larger size compared to my current clubs.

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Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white

Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid

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As a most wanted tester I have the opportunity to hit list every club on the market. While I don’t get to pick specific shafts for those clubs I feel like my performance doesn’t get any better with SGI clubs. I typically buy used and generally find that more players clubs are available with the shafts I prefer to play.

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Looks and feel is not confidence inspiring for me and loft jacking is rampant. I whole heartedly agree with the MGS way BUT data is only one piece of the puzzle. Still have to know how to use and apply it to make you better, not live/die by it.


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Confirmation bias is also a significant factor in how people select equipment.  While I agree that you have to trust the look of what you're playing, there are far too many golfer who will disqualify certain equipment without giving it a fair shake.  

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I am playing SGI irons.  I can still play my previous sets: Ping i20 and Macgregor VIP 1025M, but I have more fun playing my Bridgestones.  I'm loving the loft jacking technology!!  For an old guy I can hit my 9i about the same distance as my old 7i with a 9i trajectory.  It didn't take me long to get over the looks!

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53 minutes ago, GolfSpy MPR said:

Testing the G700 irons for the forum changed my opinion on this. My approach play had already been the strength of my game (relative to handicap); switching to the G700s, even though they are massive, made that part of my game even better. Since, then, I've been on a mission to add help to every club in my bag; aiming to swap out the driver this season with something more forgiving.

These are the first set of new clubs I've bought. Since 06 I've been gamming PING ISI Copper. prolly the only reason I didn't get the G710 was the price. those things are monstrous.... And don't get me wrong I love the look of a blade and the MB but I just turned 40 and I wanted consistency out on the course. The final score at the end of the day is what's important.   

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I definitely agree it’s an ego thing. “I don’t need forgiveness I hit pure all the time”....not the case I am interested to see like I have said before my old 588MTs vs the 790s vs testing the G710s should have some really good comparisons with all being relative lofts but all different styles 

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My bag pretty much looks just like the OP.  Shaved 5 strokes of my handicap when I switched to the Launchers from Mizuno Hot Metal irons.  I don't care what my clubs look like or what people think and I really don't care what other people play.  I went to True Spec to get fit for new irons and they couldn't beat the Launchers.  Not that I haven't flirted with other clubs since I started with the Launchers but nothing has been close to beating these for me.

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3 hours ago, Zen Snake said:

Just want to see what's holding people from playing super or just game improvement irons??? I never thought I could get over the looks or the idea of playing them because of the stigma of them being old guy clubs. I'm no stick but I'm no slouch either, but once I adopted the MGS mentality and bought into what they preach about why no take advantage of tech or forgiveness. It was easy to game them, and the look on peoples face when they see that's what I'm playing is funny. But it should always be about the numbers, and to me these perform and produce results. let the ego go, enough of my rant. What's ur thoughts on this????

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Awesome looking clubs. Everyone should use them. On Golf.com even the pros  eg. Kevin Na says he and other pros only use GI clubs and feels amateurs should use GI or SGI.

Makes perfect sense to play clubs that are larger and more forgiving. Just thing about cars, 99.9999999% of the drivers should never drive a Ferrari F1 etc as it is impractical and beyond the skill of the driver. Ditto for golf clubs.

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1 hour ago, GolfSpy MPR said:

Testing the G700 irons for the forum changed my opinion on this. My approach play had already been the strength of my game (relative to handicap); switching to the G700s, even though they are massive, made that part of my game even better. Since, then, I've been on a mission to add help to every club in my bag; aiming to swap out the driver this season with something more forgiving.

Makes perfect sense. Good luck and stay safe.

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Just now, viking said:

Awesome looking clubs. Everyone should use them. On Golf.com even the pros  eg. Kevin Na says he and other pros only use GI clubs and feels amateurs should use GI or SGI.

Makes perfect sense to play clubs that are larger and more forgiving. Just thing about cars, 99.9999999% of the drivers should never drive a Ferrari F1 etc as it is impractical and beyond the skill of the driver. Ditto for golf clubs.

That’s not what Kevin Na said. He said blades don’t work for him and that he likes the added forgiveness in a cavity back and that more people should not play blades. He plays rogue pro and apex pro irons those aren’t GI.

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Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid

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For me, it's pretty simple.  The irons in my bag are the ones I score best with.  There's no ego junk involved, I would actually prefer playing something more durable, like older 17-4 Pings.  But, it's hard to argue with the results I've gotten over the last 19 seasons.

Have a friend who has G series Pings (I think they're the G20), he's had me hit them several times.  I could probably play those in the longest irons, but the short and mid irons give me funky results.  I've seen balloons with an 8 iron in little wind, for example (the old classic upshoot).  The Ping ISI that I absolutely wanted to work, came with the DGX I was playing at the time, gave me squirrelly results on mishits.  I tend to miss heel side, and I'd get weird leaks out to the right on those misses.  Not just the ISI, it's been common for me with most of the CBs I've played.

Not quite SGI, but I bought a set of TM TP MC (2011) irons from Brother Chisag.  They're great in the long irons, the 3 and 4 for sure, and maybe the 5i, but the rest of them don't work as well as my MP37s or Golden Rams.  It's really only the 3 iron that is better for me, and even that is largely a distance thing; I hit the MC 3i a bit farther than my MP37 3i or Golden Ram 2i (essentially same club).

So I play blades.  <shrug>

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At age 30 (1990) took lessons and upon advice of teacher started playing blades (Haig-Ultras) to improve feedback.  Maybe made sense then, I was single, had a lot of time to practice and play, wanted to improve, etc. 

Used "players" clubs until last spring at age 59 (2019) when I got a set of Srixon Z565s.  "Closest To The Pin" winnings have improved dramatically.

Last summer I was standing over the ball ready to hit my Srixon Z565 7 iron on a par 3 and suddenly I felt something weird,..... relaxed.

 

 

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I play in a ton of wind and need to flight the ball down. That and I don’t like the look of 9 hybrids in my bag.


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Offset, sole width, top line, and head size.


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On longer irons like a 5 and 4 SGI irons would really help my game.  The problem that I run into is the amount of offset.  When a club has too much offset and not much loft it does not look like the ball is going to get in the air.  Technically this is not true but I have not been able to get past that and if I could it would improve my score overall.  

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I'm experimenting with Forged TEC at the moment (Or when lockdown is over), I want to see if I can improve my ball striking so that when I got back to the F8s I'll be ahead.
I wonder if the GIs are compensating for a bad swing too much.

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I know it's my own fault but when I go to a SGI iron my game from a 100 yards in goes down the toilet.

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It's not ego. I just don't like the looks.

Even if I could shoot a few strokes less with SGI, I wouldn't be able to enjoy it. I rather shank or skull with CB 😄

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4 minutes ago, Kanoito said:

It's not ego. I just don't like the looks.

Even if I could shoot a few strokes less with SGI, I wouldn't be able to enjoy it. I rather shank or skull with CB 😄

I went to SGI clubs and shoot several strokes better, and I'm enjoying it.  I got used to the looks.

Don't fret if you don't like the looks.  Shanks and skulls are still possible with SGI clubs.  😆

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2 minutes ago, Kenny B said:

I went to SGI clubs and shoot several strokes better, and I'm enjoying it.  I got used to the looks.

Don't fret if you don't like the looks.  Shanks and skulls are still possible with SGI clubs.  😆

But probably doesn't feel as good! You need to feel the sting on your hands! 😄

Maybe I'll get used to it someday... people change...

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6 minutes ago, Kanoito said:

But probably doesn't feel as good! You need to feel the sting on your hands! 😄

Maybe I'll get used to it someday... people change...

Not for these old, arthritic hands.  I still love hitting my Macgregor blades when I pure it, but I don't do that often enough.  

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Unfortunately, my swing doesn't get along with wide-soled irons.  I say unfortunately, because I could really benefit from the higher launch and forgiveness of SGI's.  The perfect iron for me would launch like a Ping G iron with a ton of offset and a narrow sole.  I've yet to find one like that, other than the Ping Eye 2.  In fact, if Ping re-introduced the Eye 2 with modern lofts, I would buy them in a heart beat.  BTW, I have owned a lot of big framed irons in search of forgiveness:  Ping G10, G15, G30, G.  Titleist AP1.  I always end up going back to irons with thinner soles.

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Everyone's golf bag is their personal "toolbox". Most people who post on a golf website care enough about their game to make sure they have tools that work best for them. I used to worry about having a bag that looked like I had a bit of "player" in me, but those days are gone. I'm in my 60's now, and I want as much help as I can get. 

I play the strongest lofted irons on the market (Rogue X) for a couple of reasons. They go long, high, and straight. I like the look at setup, and the help they give me when my game is a LITTLE off. They aren't magic wands that turn a bad swing into a good shot, but I know they've helped me out there a lot more on the course than my Apex irons did.

I recently snapped the shaft on my G400 max driver, and because of everything going on now, I can't send it to PING for another Alta shaft, so I bought the Cobra Xtreme, and it is just as forgiving, and a little bit longer. I finally took my trusty old Yes! Tracy putter out, and I think I've settled on a PING Tyne over Odyssey double wide. Again, more forgiving.

If there is one more change I might make, it will be replacing my 52* with a CBX wedge. Long story short... fill your personal toolbox with what YOU like, and what works best for YOU. It's your bag, after all.

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5 hours ago, Moose4282 said:

Alot of reasons... aside from being ugly, low spin rates, worse dispersion, Harder to flight, start to get sloppier with contact not to mention less feel for the strike.

Looks are in the eye of the beholder, I like them better, how can you say worse dispersion, that is one of the top reasons for GI and SGI irons next to distance (but vice a versa to me), also easier to get in the air i.e. flight.

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