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Just want to see what's holding people from playing super or just game improvement irons??? I never thought I could get over the looks or the idea of playing them because of the stigma of them being old guy clubs. I'm no stick but I'm no slouch either, but once I adopted the MGS mentality and bought into what they preach about why no take advantage of tech or forgiveness. It was easy to game them, and the look on peoples face when they see that's what I'm playing is funny. But it should always be about the numbers, and to me these perform and produce results. let the ego go, enough of my rant. What's ur thoughts on this????

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 :ping-small:G410 LST 7* W/ UST V2 84-gram S-shaft

 :ping-small:G400 Strength 3 wood 12* W/ UST V2 94-gram S-shaft

 :ping-small:G400 Hybrid 19* W/ Graphite Design Tour AD-105 S-shaft

:srixon-small: Z585 4-PW MODUS Tour S-105 / May switch out to S400's in the future

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Ego.

I can’t count how many people I’ve played with who spend money on the wrong clubs for their game. You’ve got a nice bag.

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They look terrible and I can get same benefits in a better looking package like the p790, i500, PXG 0311P if I wanted something with a larger size compared to my current clubs.

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Driver: Titleist 917D3 9.5 with Graphite Design MAD Pro 65g S

Wood: Titleist 917F2 with UST Mamiya Helium 5F4

Hybrid: Titleist 816H1 21 with Atmos Blue 85 S

Irons: Titleist 718 AP3 4i, 718 CB 5-6, MB 7-9 with KBS $ Taper 125

Wedges: Vokey SM7 46/50/54/60 with DG s200

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As a most wanted tester I have the opportunity to hit list every club on the market. While I don’t get to pick specific shafts for those clubs I feel like my performance doesn’t get any better with SGI clubs. I typically buy used and generally find that more players clubs are available with the shafts I prefer to play.

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Looks and feel is not confidence inspiring for me and loft jacking is rampant. I whole heartedly agree with the MGS way BUT data is only one piece of the puzzle. Still have to know how to use and apply it to make you better, not live/die by it.


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Confirmation bias is also a significant factor in how people select equipment.  While I agree that you have to trust the look of what you're playing, there are far too many golfer who will disqualify certain equipment without giving it a fair shake.  

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I am playing SGI irons.  I can still play my previous sets: Ping i20 and Macgregor VIP 1025M, but I have more fun playing my Bridgestones.  I'm loving the loft jacking technology!!  For an old guy I can hit my 9i about the same distance as my old 7i with a 9i trajectory.  It didn't take me long to get over the looks!

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53 minutes ago, GolfSpy MPR said:

Testing the G700 irons for the forum changed my opinion on this. My approach play had already been the strength of my game (relative to handicap); switching to the G700s, even though they are massive, made that part of my game even better. Since, then, I've been on a mission to add help to every club in my bag; aiming to swap out the driver this season with something more forgiving.

These are the first set of new clubs I've bought. Since 06 I've been gamming PING ISI Copper. prolly the only reason I didn't get the G710 was the price. those things are monstrous.... And don't get me wrong I love the look of a blade and the MB but I just turned 40 and I wanted consistency out on the course. The final score at the end of the day is what's important.   

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 :ping-small:G410 LST 7* W/ UST V2 84-gram S-shaft

 :ping-small:G400 Strength 3 wood 12* W/ UST V2 94-gram S-shaft

 :ping-small:G400 Hybrid 19* W/ Graphite Design Tour AD-105 S-shaft

:srixon-small: Z585 4-PW MODUS Tour S-105 / May switch out to S400's in the future

 :cleveland-small:Smart sole 4. GW/50*

 :cleveland-small:CBX FULL FACE 56* & 60*

 :cleveland-small:Cleveland Classic Collection HB 2 Black Pearl putter

 :srixon-small:Soft Feel Brite Green

Righty and the Bag is an old beat-up :titelist-small: 

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I definitely agree it’s an ego thing. “I don’t need forgiveness I hit pure all the time”....not the case I am interested to see like I have said before my old 588MTs vs the 790s vs testing the G710s should have some really good comparisons with all being relative lofts but all different styles 

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My bag pretty much looks just like the OP.  Shaved 5 strokes of my handicap when I switched to the Launchers from Mizuno Hot Metal irons.  I don't care what my clubs look like or what people think and I really don't care what other people play.  I went to True Spec to get fit for new irons and they couldn't beat the Launchers.  Not that I haven't flirted with other clubs since I started with the Launchers but nothing has been close to beating these for me.

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3 hours ago, Zen Snake said:

Just want to see what's holding people from playing super or just game improvement irons??? I never thought I could get over the looks or the idea of playing them because of the stigma of them being old guy clubs. I'm no stick but I'm no slouch either, but once I adopted the MGS mentality and bought into what they preach about why no take advantage of tech or forgiveness. It was easy to game them, and the look on peoples face when they see that's what I'm playing is funny. But it should always be about the numbers, and to me these perform and produce results. let the ego go, enough of my rant. What's ur thoughts on this????

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Awesome looking clubs. Everyone should use them. On Golf.com even the pros  eg. Kevin Na says he and other pros only use GI clubs and feels amateurs should use GI or SGI.

Makes perfect sense to play clubs that are larger and more forgiving. Just thing about cars, 99.9999999% of the drivers should never drive a Ferrari F1 etc as it is impractical and beyond the skill of the driver. Ditto for golf clubs.

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1 hour ago, GolfSpy MPR said:

Testing the G700 irons for the forum changed my opinion on this. My approach play had already been the strength of my game (relative to handicap); switching to the G700s, even though they are massive, made that part of my game even better. Since, then, I've been on a mission to add help to every club in my bag; aiming to swap out the driver this season with something more forgiving.

Makes perfect sense. Good luck and stay safe.

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Awesome looking clubs. Everyone should use them. On Golf.com even the pros  eg. Kevin Na says he and other pros only use GI clubs and feels amateurs should use GI or SGI.

Makes perfect sense to play clubs that are larger and more forgiving. Just thing about cars, 99.9999999% of the drivers should never drive a Ferrari F1 etc as it is impractical and beyond the skill of the driver. Ditto for golf clubs.

That’s not what Kevin Na said. He said blades don’t work for him and that he likes the added forgiveness in a cavity back and that more people should not play blades. He plays rogue pro and apex pro irons those aren’t GI.

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Driver: Titleist 917D3 9.5 with Graphite Design MAD Pro 65g S

Wood: Titleist 917F2 with UST Mamiya Helium 5F4

Hybrid: Titleist 816H1 21 with Atmos Blue 85 S

Irons: Titleist 718 AP3 4i, 718 CB 5-6, MB 7-9 with KBS $ Taper 125

Wedges: Vokey SM7 46/50/54/60 with DG s200

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For me, it's pretty simple.  The irons in my bag are the ones I score best with.  There's no ego junk involved, I would actually prefer playing something more durable, like older 17-4 Pings.  But, it's hard to argue with the results I've gotten over the last 19 seasons.

Have a friend who has G series Pings (I think they're the G20), he's had me hit them several times.  I could probably play those in the longest irons, but the short and mid irons give me funky results.  I've seen balloons with an 8 iron in little wind, for example (the old classic upshoot).  The Ping ISI that I absolutely wanted to work, came with the DGX I was playing at the time, gave me squirrelly results on mishits.  I tend to miss heel side, and I'd get weird leaks out to the right on those misses.  Not just the ISI, it's been common for me with most of the CBs I've played.

Not quite SGI, but I bought a set of TM TP MC (2011) irons from Brother Chisag.  They're great in the long irons, the 3 and 4 for sure, and maybe the 5i, but the rest of them don't work as well as my MP37s or Golden Rams.  It's really only the 3 iron that is better for me, and even that is largely a distance thing; I hit the MC 3i a bit farther than my MP37 3i or Golden Ram 2i (essentially same club).

So I play blades.  <shrug>

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At age 30 (1990) took lessons and upon advice of teacher started playing blades (Haig-Ultras) to improve feedback.  Maybe made sense then, I was single, had a lot of time to practice and play, wanted to improve, etc. 

Used "players" clubs until last spring at age 59 (2019) when I got a set of Srixon Z565s.  "Closest To The Pin" winnings have improved dramatically.

Last summer I was standing over the ball ready to hit my Srixon Z565 7 iron on a par 3 and suddenly I felt something weird,..... relaxed.

 

 

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I play in a ton of wind and need to flight the ball down. That and I don’t like the look of 9 hybrids in my bag.


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PXG 0341X Gen 2 15* AD TP 7x

PXG 0317X Gen 2 19* KBS Proto 95x

PXG 0311T Gen 3 4-6 KBS $ Taper 130

PXG 0311 ST 7 - PW KBS $ Taper 130

PXG 0311 Sugar Daddy 50/10 KBS $ Taper 130

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Offset, sole width, top line, and head size.


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Hybrid: :callaway-small: X2 Hot Pro, 20*, :Fuji: Rombax 8D07HB TM27 X

Irons: :srixon-small: Z585 4/5 iron, Z785 6-PW, :Nippon:Modus 120X

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On longer irons like a 5 and 4 SGI irons would really help my game.  The problem that I run into is the amount of offset.  When a club has too much offset and not much loft it does not look like the ball is going to get in the air.  Technically this is not true but I have not been able to get past that and if I could it would improve my score overall.  


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Hybrids - Titleist 818 H2 -  3 and 4 - Tensei CK Blue 70 stiff

Irons - Callaway Apex  CF 16 5-AW - True Temper XP 95 Steel Stiff

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I'm experimenting with Forged TEC at the moment (Or when lockdown is over), I want to see if I can improve my ball striking so that when I got back to the F8s I'll be ahead.
I wonder if the GIs are compensating for a bad swing too much.


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