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  1. 1. Would you rather have a HOLE IN ONE on a par 3 or an Albatross on a Par 5?

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6 minutes ago, yungkory said:

Hole in one only because I'm very unlikely to see an albatross go in. I wanna see that sh*t go in so I can Tiger fist pump from the tee box. Maybe do a cartwheel or two, or maybe even:

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I didn't know this would be my answer until I read your reasoning. The celebration is ABSOLUTELY the best part. 

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Since most people ask how many hole in ones you have and not how many albatrosses,  I'd take the hole in one.     And no,  I don't have either.  

Hole in one only because I'm very unlikely to see an albatross go in. I wanna see that sh*t go in so I can Tiger fist pump from the tee box. Maybe do a cartwheel or two, or maybe even:

I’ve been within about 6 inches. But still none for me ether lol meanwhile, my mother in law has 8 🤦🏻‍♂️

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1 minute ago, GolfSpy STUDque said:

I didn't know this would be my answer until I read your reasoning. The celebration is ABSOLUTELY the best part. 

Yeah, not seeing it go in is kinda... lame? Not lame per se, but definitely less exciting than seeing it dunk, or that drama while it's rolling towards the cup. I've hit a flagstick from like 220 out and wouldn't have known if it weren't for my friends playing in the group ahead of us.

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22 minutes ago, yungkory said:

Hole in one only because I'm very unlikely to see an albatross go in. I wanna see that sh*t go in so I can Tiger fist pump from the tee box. Maybe do a cartwheel or two, or maybe even:

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I hope you get to see yours when it happens.  I didn't see my first one, but the other two were very memorable.

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33 minutes ago, yungkory said:

Hole in one only because I'm very unlikely to see an albatross go in. I wanna see that sh*t go in so I can Tiger fist pump from the tee box. Maybe do a cartwheel or two, or maybe even:

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This is what happened to my buddy on his hole in one. We looked for his ball for a solid 5 min absolutely bewildered as to where it could have gone because we knew he had hit a good shot that should have been on the green. Eventually we  made it back onto the green and found it in the bottom of the cup.

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I have 2 on par 4s which equals both at same time hit it’s the HIO aspect that’s the best...

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On 4/25/2020 at 10:02 AM, MALyons31 said:

To be clear, I saw this discussion on social media somewhere (so I didn’t come up with this myself) but it got me thinking for sure. 
Everybody chases the hole in one. Some people hit multiple in there lifetime and some never seem to find it. The Albatross isn’t talked about nearly as much, but holing a par 5 in two shots is also I great accomplishment. 
So, my question for you, which one of the two would you rather have if you could only have one? Let me know what you think....

I voted hole in one.  I did get my first HIO last year (Crossing's in Durham, hole 12, island green) and it was with a witness.

It's VERY rare that I reach a par 5 in 2 or drive the green on a short Par 4 but I have admit it would be really cool to get a Albatross as well.

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Heres one for you that still bugs me to this day.   A course that I used to play at regularly had this one hole that was an short par 5.  I had made numerous Eagles there before.   One day they decided to change the hole into a long par 4.  One month after the change, I bombed a drive down the middle, left myself about 195 Yards uphill to the back pin.  I hit a laser 5 iron that never left the pin, hit the front of the green and rolled straight up the green and dropped into the hole.  For an Eagle.  One month earlier it would have been an albatross.  Still makes me mad to this day, lol.

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I have had 2 holes in one, one on a Par 3 and the other on a par 4.

The par 4 was pure arse. Hole was 1st and Victoria 255m (275yds) I hit my 3 wood and got it slightly thin, we seen it hit a tree behind the green,  we saw it bounce off the tree but lost it in the air. When we got to the green we could not find it, I was on my way back to the tee when one of the guys yelled that it was in the hole.

I have had  at least 3 Albatross but considering I used to hit my drives 300M meant I was hitting is some cases 4, 5 and even 6 irons into the green.

I also would like to point out that the last time I had any of these was 20+ years ago when I was on <4 handicap. 

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Hole in one. This is what you are trying to do. An albatross is just dumb luck.

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Well I selected Albatross. My Dad has gotten both and I have neither. I think Hole in One is statistically more common but is much more iconic. The story of Double eagle is just a little better.

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Hole in one just to shut my buddy up. He has one, I don't.

I got so fed up with it that I negotiated with him to only be able to tell me when we cross a state line.
Mistake. Now he just watches the flight tracker on planes and wakes me up to tell me.
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16 hours ago, Titleist87 said:

Hole in one. This is what you are trying to do. An albatross is just dumb luck.

 

... I have 2 Albatross's and zero HIO's. I would disagree that an Albatross involves some luck, but isn't dumb luck as you have to hit 2 really good shots. A HIO can be one really, REALLY bad shot that finds the hole. My cousin has 4 HIO's and I saw 2 of them. One was a topped 5 wood down a hill and over a little creek, hopping up on the green and rolling in the hole. He could not have hit a worse shot. The 2nd was a good 40 yd slice with wind aid on a 159 yd par 3. Started so far left of the hole and landed in the light rough beside the green then bounced, rolled and went in the side of the cup. So plenty of dumb luck HIO's. That said, many decent players to Tour Pro's are aiming right at the flag on a par 3 so that shot is more skill if hit well. My guess is nobody, even Tiger/Rory/DJ aims for the hole with their second shot on a par 5. On both of my Albatross's I was just aiming for the green and hit 2 really good 3 woods that landed short, rolled on and found the hole.

... OTOH I have aimed right at the flag on a par 3 thousands of times in my golf career and still don't have a HIO. The Golf Gods even let me know they are well aware of my quest but for whatever reason will not allow me to ever actually achieve it. I hit a poor shot on a par 3 that came up a little short, spun off the green and into the water. On my 3rd shot, I holed out for a par. So one swing and in the hole on a par 3 but not a HIO. I thought I could hear the sound of glasses touching and faint laughter from the skies when that 3rd shot found the bottom of the cup. 

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... I have 2 Albatross's and zero HIO's. I would disagree that an Albatross involves some luck, but isn't dumb luck as you have to hit 2 really good shots. A HIO can be one really, REALLY bad shot that finds the hole. My cousin has 4 HIO's and I saw 2 of them. One was a topped 5 wood down a hill and over a little creek, hopping up on the green and rolling in the hole. He could not have hit a worse shot. The 2nd was a good 40 yd slice with wind aid on a 159 yd par 3. Started so far left of the hole and landed in the light rough beside the green then bounced, rolled and went in the side of the cup. So plenty of dumb luck HIO's. That said, many decent players to Tour Pro's are aiming right at the flag on a par 3 so that shot is more skill if hit well. My guess is nobody, even Tiger/Rory/DJ aims for the hole with their second shot on a par 5. On both of my Albatross's I was just aiming for the green and hit 2 really good 3 woods that landed short, rolled on and found the hole.

... OTOH I have aimed right at the flag on a par 3 thousands of times in my golf career and still don't have a HIO. The Golf Gods even let me know they are well aware of my quest but for whatever reason will not allow me to ever actually achieve it. I hit a poor shot on a par 3 that came up a little short, spun off the green and into the water. On my 3rd shot, I holed out for a par. So one swing and in the hole on a par 3 but not a HIO. I thought I could hear the sound of glasses touching and faint laughter from the skies when that 3rd shot found the bottom of the cup. 

Sam, that reminds me of my barber.  He has been an avid golfer for most of his life and still plays to a low single digits as a mid 70 year old.  His wife has multiple HIO's---I cant remember the number to his none.  His one hope is carding one before time wins the battle. 

With all of that said, do you guys think it would improve the odds if you hit knock down shots with longer irons into the shorter par 3's to get a little more rollout instead of full short irons?

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A HIO can be one really, REALLY bad shot that finds the hole. My cousin has 4 HIO's and I saw 2 of them. One was a topped 5 wood down a hill and over a little creek, hopping up on the green and rolling in the hole. He could not have hit a worse shot. The 2nd was a good 40 yd slice with wind aid on a 159 yd par 3. Started so far left of the hole and landed in the light rough beside the green then bounced, rolled and went in the side of the cup. So plenty of dumb luck HIO's. That said, many decent players to Tour Pro's are aiming right at the flag on a par 3 so that shot is more skill if hit well. My guess is nobody, even Tiger/Rory/DJ aims for the hole with their second shot on a par 5. On both of my Albatross's I was just aiming for the green and hit 2 really good 3 woods that landed short, rolled on and found the hole.


I completely agree tho only hole in one I actually saw hit a sprinkler head off the right of the green bounced 90* and rolled 40' across the green and went in.

My Dad's was 525 yards and with driver 3 wood they were both great shots but obviously had a little luck going in.

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I would rather have a hole in one just because I can probably see it go in and celebrate with whoever I’m playing with/or by myself in the moment. Yes, I know I can walk up and find the golf ball in the hole and then celebrate, but takes away from the dramatics or watching it go in. 

 

I do believe it is harder to get an albatross then a hole in one depending on the length of a par 5. Some par 5’s, you can get driver-7 iron into the green, which almost acts like a par 3 distance in terms of shot into the green. Like some have said, luck definitely plays into shots and more so than ever on par 3’s.

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... Here is another variable for better players and high index players when it comes to Albatross vs HIO. If shooting your lowest score was your goal, would you rather play 18 par 5's or 18 par 3's? I remember charting my rounds in LA back in the late 90's and was shocked to see how poorly I played the par 3's compared to the par 5's. I can't remember the exact #'s but it was something like 39 under on the par 5's and 21 over on the par 3's. Considering iron play was probably my greatest strength at that time, I was a little surprised by those #'s. Then I saw a stat and again can't remember exact #'s but for his career Tiger was something like 1,121 under on par 5's and 31 over on par 3's. 

... My wife is a good golfer that shoots in the mid to low 90's and she would always rather play a par 3 than a par 5.   

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... would you rather play 18 par 5's or 18 par 3's?


Speaking generally, Doesn’t every hole have the par 3 aspect?

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Speaking generally, Doesn’t every hole have the par 3 aspect?

 

 

... Par 3's, especially from 175-225 are lengths a better golfer will never see on a par 5 and few par 4's. Then combine that with many par 3 greens are more severe than par4/5's and more than a few have areas with just about impossible up and downs. More slope and undulation, more water, deeper bunkers, thicker rough and no bail out area. There is plenty of recovery opportunities on a par 5 and a lot of par 4's. Hit a poor tee shot on a par 4 and you can still advance the ball short of the green which gives you a straight forward up and down opportunity.  Or putt it in the bunker and another up and down chance. Par 5's can give you 2 chances at recovery from a poor shot. 

... But hit a poor tee shot on a par 3 and there is no chance at hitting a shot that puts you in a good position for an up and down. Sure, there are misses on some par 3's where you have a good look at a chip or a bunker without a steep lip but more often than not a bad shot leaves you in the water, thick rough, plugged in a bunker or short sided to a green with a lot of slope. Par 3's are a challenge and apart of the game, and I have played some breath taking par 3 holes, but if courses got rid of them completely I would not complain. 🤪

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... Here is another variable for better players and high index players when it comes to Albatross vs HIO. If shooting your lowest score was your goal, would you rather play 18 par 5's or 18 par 3's? I remember charting my rounds in LA back in the late 90's and was shocked to see how poorly I played the par 3's compared to the par 5's. I can't remember the exact #'s but it was something like 39 under on the par 5's and 21 over on the par 3's. Considering iron play was probably my greatest strength at that time, I was a little surprised by those #'s. Then I saw a stat and again can't remember exact #'s but for his career Tiger was something like 1,121 under on par 5's and 31 over on par 3's. 

... My wife is a good golfer that shoots in the mid to low 90's and she would always rather play a par 3 than a par 5.   

I definitely would rather play 18 par 5’s instead of 18 par 3’s IF playing for lowest score. My GIR is much higher for Par 5 than 3. If I needed practice, I would definitely play 18 par 3’s. 

You can get away with a tee shot/second shot in the rough where as you hope you have a good lie in the rough on a par3. 

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